Soon after Ergun Caner’s fraudulent history became public, ostensibly “Christian” ministries began trying to hide the evidence. The first “ministry” I found doing this was Living With Joy Radio which quietly removed three incriminating Caner audio files (formerly known as “sermons” by a “man of God”).
The Ohio Free Will Baptists have now done the same thing. On April 13, 2010 the FBC Jax Watchdog blog published some transcripts from four talks given by Ergun Caner at the 2007 Men’s Retreat hosted by the Ohio State Association of Free Will Baptists. Here is a snippet from that post:
If the public records are correct, and if his own words in his book co-authored with his brother are correct, Ergun moved to the states in 1970 when he was the age of 4, and never lived in Turkey.
But in the sermon exercpt below, delivered in early 2007, Ergun explains in great detail that what he learned about America he learned watching American television shows broadcast in Turkey – growing up in Istanbul.
This excerpt was taken from one of Ergun Caner’s four sermons preached at the Men’s Retreat of the Ohio State Association of Free Will Baptists in early 2007.
Each sermon is available for downloading here (until they are taken down after this post goes up).
The parenthetical comment in the last sentence was prescient. The Ohio Free Will Baptist site removed the files sometime between the week of 5/13 and 5/18. Here are screenshots of the original page (retrieved from Bing’s 5/13 cache – so it won’t be there for long) and the current page as of 5/18:
There are two things that fools don’t realize when they attempt to suppress evidence. First, it is rarely successful, especially in the internet age where data is redundantly archived on many servers (such as my own here, here, here, and here), and second, it only confirms their guilt! It’s always the cover-up that get’s ya! Think NIXON.
The amazing thing about the folks covering up for Caner is that they all profess to be Christians while denying everything that Christ stands for. It blows my mind and has convinced me that organized Christianity, especially the leadership, is utterly, thoroughly, totally, and completely corrupt. Caner’s crimes have exposed countless “cancerous cells” that are actively and chronically opposed to truth. It’s not just one individual here or there and it’s not just lies – it includes a long history of chronic racism, sexism (see EthicsDaily.com) and sexual abuse (see StopBaptistPredators.org).
Actually, I got an email just a day or so after my post went up, from someone with the Ohio Free Willers, asking me to take down my audio, and to take down the photo I used from their website.
I did take down the photo, but left the audio.
I think I’ll be putting up a post on this soon…
And yes, I do have all 4 sermons downloaded.
I think those sermons were the most sickening…it was a mostly (maybe all) male audience, and the jokes about women, and Mexicans, and Turks, and his long explanation of how he watched American television in Istanbul, and how his first churches had to put up with his “bad accent”.
And worse was the response from the men listening to it. They ate it up.
I think the Free Willers took the tapes down as much because they sounded like a bunch of hillbillies, as they did to protect Caner.
your download link doesn’t work
Thanks for the tip. There was a glitch in the blog software. It’s fixed now.
That is very interesting. What possible reason could they give why you should not be distributing an audio file from Ergun if he did nothing wrong? That’s what mystifies me … what are folks like that actually thinking when they try to suppress the evidence?
I’ll keep an eye out for you new post. I think that’s a great idea. Folks need to begin discussing how the suppression of information and denial of truth is totally contrary to the teaching of Christ.
You got that exactly correct. Have you seen “The Liberty Way” Code of Conduct? Here are their “rules” for the students. If they applied these to their SEMINARY PRESIDENT he would have been kicked off campus long ago!
yes tried. getting HTTP Error 404
The 404 was correct because there was an error in the path. It should be fixed now. Let me know if there is still a problem.
Thanks for the unedited audio. I don’t like dealing with the edited stuff. Do you have anymore. I really need the other “do not teach the women to read and write” gibberish. Edited videos did not convince me, so I am trying to put up the unedited stuff.
I have some videos in other posts about Ergun Caner. Just click this link:
https://www.biblewheel.com/blog/index.php/tag/ergun-caner/
One of the more outrageous clips is near the bottom of this post which shows him speaking gibberish that was supposed to be what he said to his father after his “conversion” to Christ.