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it seems that only the one who has understanding might be able to calculate the number of the beast

Revelation 13:18,
Ὧδε ἡ σοφία ἐστίν· ὁ ἔχων νοῦν ψηφισάτω τὸν ἀριθμὸν τοῦ θηρίου, ἀριθμὸς γὰρ ἀνθρώπου ἐστίν· καὶ ὁ ἀριθμὸς αὐτοῦ ἑξακόσιοι ἑξήκοντα ἕξ.
https://biblehub.com/revelation/13-18.htm

νοῦς
https://biblehub.com/greek/3563.htm
probably from the base of G1097 (γινώσκω - know)

from γινώσκω also γνῶσις
https://biblehub.com/greek/1108.htm

the key of which was taken away by the adherents of law and order
Luke 11:52,
οὐαὶ ὑμῖν τοῖς νομικοῖς, ὅτι ἤρατε τὴν κλεῖδα τῆς γνώσεως· αὐτοὶ οὐκ εἰσήλθατε καὶ τοὺς εἰσερχομένους ἐκωλύσατε.
https://biblehub.com/luke/11-52.htm

knowledge of salvation given by John the Baptist according to Luke 1:76-77
Καὶ σὺ δέ, παιδίον, προφήτης ὑψίστου κληθήσῃ, προπορεύσῃ γὰρ ἐνώπιον κυρίου ἑτοιμάσαι ὁδοὺς αὐτοῦ, τοῦ δοῦναιας γνῶσιν σωτηρίας τῷ λαῷ αὐτοῦ ἐν ἀφέσει ἁμαρτιῶν αὐτῶν
https://biblehub.com/luke/1-77.htm


Luke who presented a play on the word σωτὴρ
Luke 2:11 ὅτι ἐτέχθη ὑμῖν σήμερον σωτὴρ ὅς ἐστιν Χριστὸς κύριος ἐν πόλει Δαυίδ·
https://biblehub.com/luke/2-11.htm

Luke 2:34,
καὶ εὐλόγησεν αὐτοὺς Συμεὼν καὶ εἶπεν πρὸς Μαριὰμ τὴν μητέρα αὐτοῦ, Ἰδοὺ οὗτος κεῖται εἰς πτῶσιν καὶ ἀνάστασιν πολλῶν ἐν τῷ Ἰσραὴλ καὶ εἰς σημεῖον ἀντιλεγόμενον
https://biblehub.com/luke/2-34.htm

Greek σωτὴρ mirrored by Hebrew סוֹתֵר
https://www.sefaria.org/Klein_Dictionar ... A8?lang=bi
https://x.com/Minkmaat/status/1554861864110247939

סוֹתֵר/σωτὴρ

סוֹתֵר =666

γνῶσις = Hebrew דַּעַת "da'at"

דַּעַת = 474

474th word in the Torah "b'hibaram" in Genesis 2:4,
https://www.sefaria.org/Genesis.2.4?lang=bi&aliyot=0

with the letter "hey" they were created

Letter "hey" added to "shishi" (= 666) in Genesis 1:31
https://www.sefaria.org/Genesis.1.31?lang=bi&aliyot=0

by which the name of God (Jesus's father) appearedtobe present in the initials of "yom hashihsi vay'chullu hashamayim"

י֥וֹם הַשִּׁשִּֽׁי
וַיְכֻלּ֛וּ הַשָּׁמַ֥יִם

Hi Geert.

In the NIV Rev. 13.18 is given as follows.

This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man’s number. His number is 666.

I have found several numbers in there related to the beast. Note that numbers are enumerated under the ordinal value system and take on meaning under the standard value system, the decryption method taught me by the Key I received, similar to public key encryption. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-key_cryptography

Here are three of them.

Rev. 13.18 (o) = 1151
Beelxebub (s) = 1151

‘Let him calculate the number of the beast’ (o) = 352
Satan (s) = 352.

‘For it is man’s number’ (o) = 216 = 6 x 6 x 6.

Bill

NIV offers a stupid translation

"this calls for wisdom"

where the original text has: Ὧδε ἡ σοφία ἐστίν

ὧδε - in this same spot, i.e. here or hither
https://biblehub.com/greek/5602.htm

ἐστίν from εἶναι (εἰμί)= to be, to exist
https://biblehub.com/greek/1510.htm

σοφία = Hebrew חׇכְמָ֣ה (with the notorious gematria 73 and reduced value 37)

Psalms 104:24, How many are the things You have made, O LORD;
You have made them all with wisdom;
the earth is full of Your creations.
https://www.sefaria.org/Psalms.104.24?v ... ra&lang=bi

LXX ὡς ἐμεγαλύνθη τὰ ἔργα σου, κύριε·
πάντα ἐν σοφίᾳ ἐποίησας,
ἐπληρώθη ἡ γῆ τῆς κτήσεώς σου.

You cannot rely on NIV (and also not on English gematria)

Geert van den Bos wrote: Mon Oct 20, 2025 6:34 am NIV offers a stupid translation

"this calls for wisdom"

where the original text has: Ὧδε ἡ σοφία ἐστίν.

You cannot rely on NIV (and also not on English gematria)

Yes you can rely on both. I’ve shown it over and again.

What exactly is ‘stupid’ about the NIV translation? And please give the interpretation of the Greek Rev. 13.18 you think is acceptable.

LXX Genesis 22:5 also has ὧδε

καὶ εἶπεν Αβρααμ τοῖς παισὶν αὐτοῦ Καθίσατε αὐτοῦ μετὰ τῆς ὄνου, ἐγὼ δὲ καὶ τὸ παιδάριον διελευσόμεθα ἕως ὧδε καὶ προσκυνήσαντες ἀναστρέψωμεν πρὸς ὑμᾶς.

a very special spot!

Hebrew had "koh" -- I and the young man we will go "ad-koh"
https://www.sefaria.org/Genesis.22.5?ve ... i&aliyot=0

The same "koh" was used in the promise made to Abram in Genesi 15:4, "koh yiyeh zarecha" -- ="koh"will be your seed
https://www.sefaria.org/Genesis.15.5?ve ... i&aliyot=0

After Abram had been asked to count the stars --( to compute their number )

"koh" gematria 25, said to be the number of the hidden light, since first "or" in Genesis 1:3 is 25th word from the beginning, and the beforegoing "yehi" has gematria 25.

bluetriangle wrote: Mon Oct 20, 2025 6:45 am

Geert van den Bos wrote: Mon Oct 20, 2025 6:34 am NIV offers a stupid translation

"this calls for wisdom"

where the original text has: Ὧδε ἡ σοφία ἐστίν.

You cannot rely on NIV (and also not on English gematria)

Yes you can rely on both. I’ve shown it over and again.

What exactly is ‘stupid’ about the NIV translation? And please give the interpretation of the Greek Rev. 13.18 you think is acceptable.

Geert,

Not to put too fine a point on it, but you speak in riddles. Please just explain what you mean. I go out of my way to be clear, as do most here, but you do not, if you have something important to say it would be a shame if it was missed.

I see more translations have "this calls for wisdom"

https://biblehub.com/revelation/13-18.htm

they are stupid too

they do lack understanding, not being able to calculate the number of the beast

calculate Greek ψηφίζω = to use pebbles in enumeration (like Vernon Jenkins did)
https://biblehub.com/greek/5585.htm

you need a ψῆφος
https://biblehub.com/greek/5586.htm

After Revelation 2:17 just for the victor
ὁ ἔχων οὖς ἀκουσάτω τί τὸ πνεῦμα λέγει ταῖς ἐκκλησίαις. τῷ νικῶντι δώσω αὐτῷ τοῦ μάννα τοῦ κεκρυμμένου, καὶ δώσω αὐτῷ ψῆφον λευκὴν καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν ψῆφον ὄνομα καινὸν γεγραμμένον ὃ οὐδεὶς οἶδεν εἰ μὴ ὁ λαμβάνων.

https://biblehub.com/revelation/2-17.htm

Geert van den Bos wrote: Mon Oct 20, 2025 8:01 am I see more translations have "this calls for wisdom"

https://biblehub.com/revelation/13-18.htm

they are stupid too

they do lack understanding, not being able to calculate the number of the beast

calculate Greek ψηφίζω = to use pebbles in enumeration (like Vernon Jenkins did.

You mean this kind of thing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNk1NtA0JQY

didn't he call it "counters"?

Triangle 73 having an outline of 216 counters = 216 pebble stones, with which you can build a cube

γινώσκω (from which νοῦς and γνῶσις ) was also in Luke 8:10,

ὁ δὲ εἶπεν, Ὑμῖν δέδοται γνῶναι τὰ μυστήρια τῆς βασιλείας τοῦ θεοῦ, τοῖς δὲ λοιποῖς ἐν παραβολαῖς, ἵνα βλέποντες μὴ βλέπωσιν καὶ ἀκούοντες μὴ συνιῶσιν
https://biblehub.com/luke/8-10.htm

in the context of the parable of the sower with the hundredfold yield

Luke 8:8,
καὶ ἕτερον ἔπεσεν εἰς τὴν γῆν τὴν ἀγαθήν, καὶ φυὲν ἐποίησεν καρπὸν ἑκατονταπλασίονα. ταῦτα λέγων ἐφώνει, Ὁ ἔχων ὦτα ἀκούειν ἀκουέτω.
https://biblehub.com/luke/8-8.htm


hundredfold is Hebrew מֵאָ֣ה שְׁעָרִ֑ים
"meah sh'arim" with gematria 666

Genesis 26:12,
https://www.sefaria.org/Genesis.26.12?lang=bi&aliyot=0