Sorry for the "so long message"...but:RAMcGough wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2026 12:37 pmIt can't, and that's why it is fundamentally flawed. There is no object way to discern between chance and design. And worse, it's essentially certain that independent researchers using exactly the same methods would not come to the same conclusions. We've talked about this in the past. Your personally experiences were required for you to come to your uniquely idiosyncratic conclusions. And that's exactly the error caused by the fallacy of cherry picking.bluetriangle wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2026 8:15 am But we will have to agree to disagree here. If there's a message in the NIV Bible and if it involves substituting words enumerated under one system for Biblical phrases enumerated under another, how can that be done without 'cherry picking'?
I "reject the whole concept of that kind of code" because is is not a "code" at all, in the sense that the information you extract from it is not actually contained in it. The "code" merely creates a set of numerical bins into which you place cherry picked words and phrases that match. There is nothing that necessitates any particular interpretation. It does not contain enough information to determine any actual message. Now consider this: devout believers cannot find agreement on the plain words that are actually given in the text. What good is a "code" that is a thousand times more ambiguous than the plain words that God inspired?bluetriangle wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2026 8:15 am You either have to accept it as inevitable or reject the whole concept of that kind of code. However, if God has indeed encoded information by this method, which you then reject, you are in danger of raising yourself above God. No slight intended, but it's an error many intellectuals make. Their intellect becomes their god, and a jealous one at that.
I don't deny that God could have intended all the messages you have derived with your methods. I have merely explained that even if He has done that, there's no way for us to know because the patterns could just as well be understood as the result of cherry picking coupled with random chance.
I know I've relied on my intellect too much in the past, and that was one of the reasons God sent me out to "eat grass" like Nebuchadnezzar for 14 years. That experience has given me a deep trust that "those that walk in pride he is able to abase." I think I learned the error of my ways. I am not being dogmatic about anything here. I'm merely trying my best to explain the shortcomings I see in your codes. But that doesn't mean they are not of God. They could be your own private "numerical tongue" by which you edify yourself. Or maybe I'm totally missing the mark and they are more significant than I can see right now. That's what we're hoping to determine in this conversation. You are deeply moved to share them with the world. I pray I can do you a good service by being a sincere sounding board. I pray that our Lord will expose any pride remaining in me that is prevent His Will being done on earth, as it is in heaven.
No worries my friend! But thanks for making your heart clear. That's golden.bluetriangle wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2026 8:15 am Note: I just reread this and it sounds as if I'm saying I have God on my side and he'll smite you if you dare disagree with me. Please don't read it that way. I had the same experience with my silent partner, incidentally and was forced to recognize what I was being too narrow in my methodology. God is infinitely creative and our linear thought processes just can't appreciate the holistic way gematria has been done.
Yes, I see why you find those four words compelling. But again, the enigma code was an actual lossless code. Your code is nothing like that.bluetriangle wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2026 8:15 amYes, much of the information is lost, I agree. This was the closest analogy I could find, although it's more like detective work. than cracking the enigma code. But there is no way to encode information in this way - words to number to words - without losing most of the information. However, when you see that the first 24 words can be overlain with the words JESUS YEHOSHUA MESSIAH MESSIAH WORD WORD simply by splitting them into six-word strings, you can hopefully appreciate that they hold each other up. They are meaningfully related, related to the Bible and form a regular pattern.RAMcGough wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2026 7:47 pm I see how you say it works, but there is a fundamental problem. Real encryption is LOSSLESS. The decrypted message can be determined exactly from the encrypted message. This doesn't work with gematria because almost ALL INFORMATION is lost when a word is converted to a number. You have no way to know what word was intended in the first 12 words of Genesis (NIV). All you know is the words have the value 515.
There are ELS codes here and one of them ends on the last letter of the 24th word. It says GOD CREATED CODE. I've appended it.
I can think of a few ways God could encode specific words through gematria. The most obvious is when he builds a verse on nested multiples of the value of the word that expresses the central concept of the verse, as He did in the Shema.
Another way would be to encode Strongs numbers rather than the word itself.
Or he could have used His infinite wisdom to encode the actual words in ELS like you have with GODCREATED crossing CODE. But it would have to be much more extensive than that to overcome the objections based on what we'd statistically expect from a random text.
Are you saying that God intended every identity possible in all three languages (Hebrew, Greek, English)? How then can any of it have any meaning without simply reading your preconceived beliefs INTO the numbers?bluetriangle wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2026 8:15 amYes. If he made Jesus (o) = 74, and Lucifer (o) = 74, then both were encoded. I have to follow the logic of the code here. Relates to the Morning Star of course, associated with both Jesus and Lucifer.RAMcGough wrote: Sun Mar 01, 2026 7:47 pm This is the classic problem with this kind of gematria that is based fundamentally on the cognitive error called "cherry picking". Take for example the system that uses a=6,b=12, c=18. It yields the following identities:
Jesus = 666 = Lucifer = Muhammad
Did God encode that?
Jesus = 74 = Lucifer? No problem! I can make up a story to explain that relation!
At this point, the numbers have no meaning at all. They are just "connections" we use as we weave our preconceived stories. Muslims do this with the Quran. Harold Camping used numbers to weave his prediction of Judgment Day 2011, which he declared with absolute certainty because of the numbers.
Well that's all the time I got for now. I'll answer more as time permits. These posts are very long! There's so much to discuss.
Great chatting my friend. I really appreciate your patience with me.
God bless.
By transformation we can say;
in english: latin phrase=In Principio Creavit Deus caelum et terram=2556 of genesis 1:1 like latin phrase but it's not so equivalent, I explain it already....
take for example, a very good "example":
nicolas girard=780
ana gomes ferreira=930
emmanuel girard=846 (related to isaiah 7:14) i was explaining that to you.
if you have read my article on academia about sacred mathematical code, I post here in attached file this information too, but it must be understand as a whole, with three lengths of a triangle of our names we can have 51.84° or the angle to see a rainbow, related to giza pyramid prophecy of isaiah 19:19.
846+780+930=2556 =>T71
in latin/english gematria the phrase:
In Principio Creavit Deus caelum et terram=
total sum of letters:
9+50+70+90+9+50+3+9+70+9+60+3+90+5+1+400+9+200+4+5+300+100+3+1+5+30+300+40+5+200+200+5+90+90+1+40=2556
So for hebrew you need only two names entire names of baptism, for the secret in english phrase of genesis three names, including the one of emmanuel.
I prefer the version of hebrew writed genesis, it's sufficient, and far more easy...but you will need all our names/surname.
even 1529 encoded genesis 1:1 in a different way I can explain if you want.
1529+1172=2701 but you will need all blocks of names+surname, 197+264+320+330+418 + 56+112+390+109+505.
already talk of patterns in pi and phi and e on my twitter, so for informations:
why this so magical "phi" is related to rescue day 1335!
2701/1669=~phi (best approximation of pi with first verse of genesis 1:1...) related to our names.
In pi, first sequence of 27011669 can be found at: 53,906,217th place 53*906*217=10419906
by additons of the hundreds: 10+419+906=1335.
(1669= ניקולא ברונו ריימונד מרסל אנה לואיסה נשם
as 2701 equal:
1529=גירארד ניקולא ברונו ריימונד מרסל
1172=גומס פריירה אנה לואיסה נשם
search:
11722701 in pi at pos 1362194, 194+362+1=557
27011529 in pi at pos 1110999, 999+110+1=1110
total 1110+557=1667....
1667th prime number is 14159.....just five digits after 3 of pi for a reason.
557+1=אנה לואיסה נשם
1110+1=ניקולא ברונו ריימונד מרסל
You don't know really well:
my signature on the BIG CREATION:
Number: 1529 my number
Sum: 169 digits of e & π
just before digit 169th in pi, you can see 2701...starting at position 165th is 2, 166th is 7 etc.
related to #Genesis 1:1
a little more complicated but I hope it's easy to decode...:
sequence 376660152927017777 in pi is very very special, these numbers=my first "words names" numbered!
376*660*152*927*17*777=461875624277760 take care about 0 "position" as it is related to "a breath of creation, always!"
461+875+624+277+760=2997
154112654080=461875624277760/2997
154+112+654+80=1000 "units" or time units.
2701+296=2997 that means for me: "outside but with ----the earth"
and by permuting letters I can say 2701 = 1702
as 154112654080*2701=416258278670080
416+258+278+670+80=1702
416*258*278*670*80=1599273062400
1+599+273+62+400="1335"
The first number of creation was hatorah and it's related to 611(112+390+109) 670(56+109+505) and 1172(56+112+390+109+505) as it is a breaking down the words of "her" name.
11721529" (1172 + 1529) appears at the 68,386,718th decimal of phi,
and 68+386+718=1172 echoes the start. With 1172 + 1529 = 2701 (Genesis 1:1).
Patterns in pi will validate the equation of our names and so much more as genesis (all verses, not only the protoverse, all are related to pi in one way or another)