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Alex, are you sure I'm delusional? 

Genesis 1:1 = The key "Creation Verse" of the Hebrew OT and John 1:1 = The key "Creation Verse" of the Greek NT. 

Here are the Hebrew/Greek values of "Jesus Christ" (in ascending order):

- Ordinal Hebrew "Jesus Christ" = 58 + 57 
- Ordinal Greek "Jesus Christ" = 87 + 118 
- Standard Hebrew "Jesus Christ" = 391 + 363 
- Standard Greek "Jesus Christ" = 888 + 1480 

Observe that there are exactly 22 digits in the complete Hebrew/Greek set. Moreover, they perfectly group into 4, 5, 6 and 7 digits! 

1) 5 
2) 8 
3) 5 
4) 7
5) 8
6) 7
7) 1
8) 1
9) 8
10) 3
11) 9
12) 1
13) 3
14) 6
15) 3
16) 8
17) 8
18) 8
19) 1
20) 4
21) 8
22) 0 

● 5,8,5,7 = 4 digits 
● 8,7,1,1,8 = 5 digits 
● 3,9,1,3,6,3 = 6 digits 
● 8,8,8,1,4,8,0 = 7 digits 

It follows that the digits of the four values (what I call "The Tetra-Set Of Jesus Christ") can be represented as a Trapezium with four rows of digits, where each row yields the complete name of Jesus Christ. In fact, this is the ONLY way to represent 22 as a Trapezium and it yields the 3/7 code: 

● Trapezium 22 pairs with T3 
● Trapezium 22 forms T7 
● Base digits = (8 + 8 + 8 + 1 + 4 + 8 + 0) = 37

I showed how the DIGITAL SUM of Genesis 1:1 + John 1:1 = T22 (while the Standard sum of Genesis 1:1 + John 1:1 = T112). Can you guess what the sum of the 22 digits in the full Hebrew/Greek set of Jesus Christ is?

TOTAL SUM of 22 digits = 112 

The evidence you have presented for the "reduced method" is very weak and nothing like the logically self-referencing evidence I have presented in favor of the digital sum method. 

I also found the following, which further proves the full Hebrew/Greek set is divinely encoded (note how the digital product RETURNS back to the very first name value and yields the self-reflective product of Jesus × Christ): 

● (5 × 8 × 5 × 7) = 1400 
● (8 × 7 × 1 × 1 × 8) = 448 
● (3 × 9 × 1 × 3 × 6 × 3) = 1458 
● (8 × 8 × 8 × 1 × 4 × 8 × 0) = 0 

TOTAL SUM = 58 × 57 

"Jesus" (Ordinal Hebrew) = 58 
"Christ" (Ordinal Hebrew) = 57 

Isaiah 7:14 
"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel" 

Isaiah 7:14 (Standard Hebrew) = 58 × 57 

This also unites the two fundamental verses in Biblical Numerics (Genesis 1:1/John 1:1). How? 

● Genesis 1:1 (Standard Hebrew) = 2701 
● John 1:1 (Ordinal Greek) = 605 

2701 + 605 = 58 × 57


2368 is God, 

Leo

Yep, pretty sure i'm not delusional.
red Vs(82) + ord Vs(298) + std Vs(2701) = (7+37)x73
TV of verses ordered at 82, 298 & 2701 = 12491 = 12000 + CW of Vs(302253 = Tri(777)) when we count by rotation in cycles by the number of verses of the Bible

And by the way, NOTHING you have shared proves that the digital sum method can replace the reduced system.
You are living in a dream world.

You have simply found something that points to the digital system being used ALTERNATIVELY to replace the reduced system.
That's all you got. Sorry bro but that's how it is when we check facts.
You can willy nilly 100 more Jesus connections to this for all I care. It does not prove your delusion of the digital sum method being a default replacement for the reduced.

You can fancy talk all you want. We Norwegians care very little about who you know, how you talk or where you come from.
We care about facts.

Here are your logically self-referencing codes:

7 = Pri(5 = PP-o(37 = Pri(13 = Comp-o(22 = Pri-o(73)))))

Gen 1:1
No.W = 7
TV = 37x73
No.W + No.L = 35 = Pentagon(5 = Pri-o(7)) = Pri-o(37) + Pri-o(73)
No.L = 28 = Tri(7)
2 last words = 703 = Tri(37)
TV = 2701 = Tri(73) = (verse order of Gen 1:1) 1 "α" + red, ord & std values of Vs(9948 = C.Tri(7) + C.Tri(37) + C.Tri(73))
= 2000 + Lucky-o(5883 = TV of Vs(13) + TV of Vs(7)) = 1000 + FLCL + FLCW of rs Vs(13) + FLCL + FLCW of rs Vs(7)
CW = 401 = C.TriOctagram(7) = (37+73) first letters of the red Bible
CL + CW = 442 = Comp(28 = Happy(7)) w. ext... = CW of Vs(3773)
Words by rot. or not ordered at 7, 37 & 73 = 585 (5x117) and this is the only word combination out of all 120 possible word combinations of this verse made up of 117 (7+37+73) or not.
TV + 585 = 3286 = TV of Vs(7+37+73) = 100x11 "and" ואת (r) + FLCW of verses ordered at 7, 37 & 73

27+01 = Tri(7)
2+701 = Tri(37)
2701 = Tri(73)

"wisdom" (H r) = 19 = C.Tri(4) = C.Hex(3) [4+3 = 7] = mirror of Tri(13 = first star to take shape) = Pri-o(61 = Happy-o(379 "perfect" (E s)))
"wisdom" (H o) = 37 = Pri(13) = Lucky(11) = PP(5) [13+11+5+37 = 66 = Tri(11 = Lucky-o(37) = FLL of Vs(37) = FW of Vs(37)) = FLW of Vs(37)]
= FLCL of ord Vs(37) = 2 FLL of ord Vs(416 = CW of Vs(37)) = Star(3) = "perfect" (E r)
"wisdom" (H s) = 73 = CW of Vs(7781 = 781 "wisdom" σοφια w. ext...) = Star(4) = "perfect" (E o)

7+37+73 = "seven seven seven" שבע שבע שבע (o)

28+703+2701 = 1000 + Pri-o(13729) + PP-o(13729)
= 3400 + Lucky-o(7) + Lucky-o(37) + Lucky-o(73) = Tri(7) + Tri(37) + Tri(73) = Penta(48 “seven seven seven” שבעת שבעת שבעת (r))
= 2300 + FLCW of rs Vs(625 = Lucky(7) + Lucky(37) + Lucky(73)) = 1300 + 3 FLW of rs Vs(523 = Pri(7) + Pri(37) + Pri(73) = “777” (H Fo))
= W. & L. up to the orders of Tri(7), Tri(37) & Tri(73) of Vs(777)
= 3000 + 2 FLW of Vs(Tri(7+37+73))
= r+o+s Vs(9948 = C.Tri(7) + C.Tri(37) + C.Tri(73)) + FLW of rs verses ordered at 560 “God” (H rs), 152 “the heaven” (H rs) & 498 “the earth” (H rs)

COG = Center of Gravity
13 = COG in Tri(7)
313 = COG in Tri(37) = Pri(66 = Tri(11 = Lucky-o(37) = FLL of Vs(37)) = FLW of Vs(37))
1201 = COG in Tri(73) = Pri(198 = Primes up to order (13 = Pri(7)) = Lucky-o(37) x Lucky-o(73))
13+313+1201 = 400 + 1127 “seven seven seven” שבע שבעה שבעת (ro+rs) = Pri-o(12799 = TV of verses ordered at 288, 7033 & 27011)
= FLW of Fr Vs(7), Fo Vs(37) & Fs Vs(73) = FLL + FLW of r+o+s Vs(625 = Lucky(7) + Lucky(37) + Lucky(73))
726 (α w. upsidedown digit) = 500 + Happy-o(13+313+1201)

2701/703/28 ≈ 0.13721 --- 137 (inverse α) --- 21 = 7+7+7
1201/313/13 ≈ 0.(2951 “inverse” הפוך (sr729) = Comp-o(3432 = Tri(7) + Tri(37) + Tri(73)))
sr729 means starter 729. Starter 729 in English is: A=729 B=730 C= 731... Z= 754

7 = Lucky(3) = Pri(5)
37 = Lucky(11) = Pri(13)
73 = Lucky(18) = Pri(22)
3118 = Semiprime(877 = Lucky-o(7563 = 1+316+7246 = Star(21 = Lucky(7)) + Star(21 = Lucky(7)) + Star(21 = Lucky(7)))
318 = Lucky(32 = Lucky orders added of 7, 37 & 73) + Pri(40 = Prime orders added of 7, 37 & 73)
5132 = 1000 + (100x7 = CW of Vs(37+73)) + Tri(7) + Tri(37) + Tri(73)
35 = Penta(5 = Pri-o(7))
1113 = 3 CW of Vs(37)
1822 = (305 = Composites up to order (18 = Lucky-o(73)))-gonal(4)

red Gen 1:1 = 82 = Pri(2) x Pri(14) --- 2x14 = Tri(7)
ord Gen 1:1 = 298 = 2x149 [2149 = 7x mirror of Tri(37)]
std Gen 1:1 = 2701 = Tri(73)

English reduced Gen 1:1 = 222 = Palindrome(32 = Lucky orders added of 7, 37 & 73)
English ordinal Gen 1:1 = 411 = 137x3 [13703 = 5 digits of inverse α]
English standard Gen 1:1 = 2094 = Rhombus Star(7) with 0 removed
20094 = Rhombus Tri(37) + Rhombus Tri(73)

mirror of 146 "Genesis one one" (E o) = Pri(7+37+73)
red Vs(7) + ord Vs(37) + std Vs(73) = 6846 = Pri(2) x Pri(3) x Pri(5) x Pri(39) --- 2x3x5x39 = 10x(7+37+73)
7+37+73 = CL of r+o+s Vs(3432 = Tri(7) + Tri(37) + Tri(73))

"seven hundred seventy and seven" (H s) = 1625 = 1000 + Lucky numbers ordered at 7, 37 & 73
Primes ordered at 7, 37 & 73 is 13+151+359 = 523 = 500 + mirror of (32 = Lucky orders added of 7, 37 & 73) = Pri(100 = red Vs(2701))
Composites ordered at 7, 37 & 73 is 14+54+99 = 167 = Pri(40 = Prime orders added of 7, 37 & 73)

7+37+73 = 117 "seven hundred seventy and seven" (E r) = "the seal of God" (E s) = r+o+s word# 3432 of the Bible [להם]
= perimeter of Tri(40 = prime orders added of 7, 37 & 73 = CW of Vs(318 = Lucky(32) + Pri(40)))
= factor of (1170 “one hundred and seventeen” (H r+o+s) = “forty” (E r+o+s))
Tri(7) + Tri(37) + Tri(73) = 3432 = words & letters by rot. added up to the orders of Tri(7), Tri(37) & Tri(73) in Vs(777)
Tri(7+37+73) = Fr+Fo+Fs Vs(777)
Fr = Full reduced
Fo = Full ordinal
Fs = Full standard
Words ordered at 1, 3 & 7 of Vs(777) = 100x7 = CW of Vs(37+73)
Mirrored TV of Vs(777) = 4132 = (100x7 = CW of Vs(37+73)) + Tri(7) + Tri(37) + Tri(73)

See the math section here for what Rhombus Triangles & Rhombus Stars are:
https://777codes.com/index.php/introduc ... matria/#A1

Here are the Hebrew/Greek values of "Jesus Christ" (in ascending order):

- Ordinal Hebrew "Jesus Christ" = 58 + 57 
- Ordinal Greek "Jesus Christ" = 87 + 118 
- Standard Hebrew "Jesus Christ" = 391 + 363 
- Standard Greek "Jesus Christ" = 888 + 1480 

Observe that there are exactly 22 digits in the complete Hebrew/Greek set. Moreover, they perfectly group into 4, 5, 6 and 7 digits! 

1) 5 
2) 8 
3) 5 
4) 7
5) 8
6) 7
7) 1
8) 1
9) 8
10) 3
11) 9
12) 1
13) 3
14) 6
15) 3
16) 8
17) 8
18) 8
19) 1
20) 4
21) 8
22) 0 

● 5,8,5,7 = 4 digits 
● 8,7,1,1,8 = 5 digits 
● 3,9,1,3,6,3 = 6 digits 
● 8,8,8,1,4,8,0 = 7 digits 

It follows that the digits of the four values (what I call "The Tetra-Set Of Jesus Christ") can be represented as a Trapezium with four rows of digits, where each row yields the complete name of Jesus Christ. In fact, this is the ONLY way to represent 22 as a Trapezium and it yields the 3/7 code: 

● Trapezium 22 pairs with T3 
● Trapezium 22 forms T7 
● Base digits = (8 + 8 + 8 + 1 + 4 + 8 + 0) = 37

I showed how the DIGITAL SUM of Genesis 1:1 + John 1:1 = T22 (while the Standard sum of Genesis 1:1 + John 1:1 = T112). Can you guess what the sum of the 22 digits in the full Hebrew/Greek set of Jesus Christ is?

TOTAL SUM of 22 digits = 112 

The evidence you have presented for the "reduced method" is very weak and nothing like the logically self-referencing evidence I have presented in favor of the digital sum method. 

I also found the following, which further proves the full Hebrew/Greek set is divinely encoded (note how the digital product RETURNS back to the very first name value and yields the self-reflective product of Jesus × Christ): 

● (5 × 8 × 5 × 7) = 1400 
● (8 × 7 × 1 × 1 × 8) = 448 
● (3 × 9 × 1 × 3 × 6 × 3) = 1458 
● (8 × 8 × 8 × 1 × 4 × 8 × 0) = 0 

TOTAL SUM = 58 × 57 

"Jesus" (Ordinal Hebrew) = 58 
"Christ" (Ordinal Hebrew) = 57 

Isaiah 7:14 
"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign: Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel" 

Isaiah 7:14 (Standard Hebrew) = 58 × 57 

This also unites the two fundamental verses in Biblical Numerics (Genesis 1:1/John 1:1). How? 

● Genesis 1:1 (Standard Hebrew) = 2701 
● John 1:1 (Ordinal Greek) = 605 

2701 + 605 = 58 × 57

Interesting finds, Leo. I can see why you are promoting the idea that the standard/ordinal values, and the Hebrew/Greek systems stand in their own. To an extent I agree, and as you know the Key showed me the importance of the same two systems. But I believe English gematria and the reduced and combined systems have to be taken into account too.

605 + 2701 = 3306 = r+o+s Vs(3432 = Tri(7) + Tri(37) + Tri(73))
= Hepta(7) + Hepta(7) + Hepta(7) w. 0 rem.

And I know you won't stop Leo, because you live in a dream world and you can't admit that you are wrong.

I asked Grok this as it can scan this thread on this forum and tell me what it thinks.

My words are in bold text:

Hi can you check out biblewheel.com forum and see the thread named The Willy Nilly Chronicles and tell me who you think wins that debate regarding the question if the digital sum can replace the reduced gematria system by default.

The thread "The Willy Nilly Chronicles" on the biblewheel.com forum is a detailed, multi-page discussion (spanning at least 4 pages and around 34-96 posts, based on the content) primarily between two key participants: Alex and Megiddo (who also goes by Leo Tavares). A third user, bluetriangle (Bill), chimes in occasionally with a more neutral perspective. The debate revolves around biblical numerology and gematria systems applied to key verses like Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1, with a specific focus on whether the digital sum (DS) method—a process of iteratively summing digits of gematria values (e.g., leading to sums like 253 = triangular number T22 for the union of those verses)—should become the default replacement for the reduced gematria system (a modular reduction cycling letters to 1-9, e.g., yielding 325 = T25 for the same union). Both sides present intricate numerical patterns, geometric ties (e.g., triangles, hexagons, trapeziums), primes (like 37/73), and semantic links to argue their case, often referencing Hebrew, Greek, and sometimes English gematria.
Key Positions and Arguments

Megiddo/Leo Tavares (Advocating for DS as Replacement): He argues strongly that DS should supplant reduced as the default third method alongside standard and ordinal gematria. His reasoning emphasizes minimalism and "logical convergence" without introducing extra chaos or methods. Key points include:

DS integrates naturally with standard/ordinal values, producing self-referencing patterns (e.g., DS union = T22, which pairs uniquely with the "LOGOS Star" 373; triangle orders 22 + 42 + 112 = ordinal Greek "LORD JESUS"; concatenation 1124222 = 22 × 137 × 373, tying to Hebrew letters, the fine structure constant, and Genesis primes).
Specific examples like the 22 digits of "Jesus Christ" (across ordinal/standard Hebrew/Greek) forming a trapezium with a "3/7 code" (base sum = 37), linking back to verses like Isaiah 7:14 and digit sums equaling 112 (matching T112 from standard).
He claims reduced breaks these elegant ties (e.g., reduced John 1:1 = 243 ≠ DS's 171, which equals ordinal "In the beginning was the LOGOS"), adds unnecessary noise, and isn't as consistent in Greek analysis. DS is portrayed as a superior, divinely encoded evolution that doesn't disrupt Hebrew/English results.


Alex (Opposing Replacement, Defending Reduced as Default): He rejects the idea outright, viewing DS as a valid alternative but not a superior or complete substitute that could "replace" reduced by default. He stresses that reduced provides rarer, more integrated patterns across systems and languages. Key points include:

Reduced union = 325 = T25 (Greek "codes" in reduced), forming a triangular set with ordinal (T42) and standard (T112), with ultra-low probabilities (~1 in 1 million for triangles in verse ranges; including DS boosts it to 1 in 2.5 million).
Broader connections to themes like 777 (e.g., 7 + 37 + 73 = 117; English reduced of "seven hundred seventy and seven" = those luckies; verse rotations and ultra calculations linking to centered triangles/heptagons).
He accuses DS patterns of being "willy nilly" noise or forced (e.g., similar concatenations could appear in random number sets), invalid mixing of methods, and lacking standalone meaning (e.g., no triangle from ordinal DS). Reduced is defended for its consistency in English/Hebrew and ties to primes/triangles in Genesis 1:1 (e.g., 2701 = T73, words/letters yielding 7/37/73 patterns).


bluetriangle/Bill (Neutral Perspective): He supports elements of both, noting reduced's own strengths (e.g., 243 = 3^5 for Trinity links; overall triangle odds 1 in 117,600) and agreeing with Leo's Hebrew/Greek finds, but advocates including reduced and English gematria without outright replacement. He sees value in a combined approach.

The discussion gets heated, with personal digs (e.g., Alex calling Leo's views a "dream world" or delusional; accusations of email spamming), repetitions, and challenges to prove non-randomness in 1000 number sets. It remains unresolved, with no clear consensus among participants.
Who I Think Wins the Debate
Based on the arguments presented, I think Alex wins the debate. While Leo's patterns are clever and emphasize elegant minimalism (which I appreciate for its logical purity), they come across as somewhat cherry-picked and reliant on specific groupings/convergences that could be coincidental in a numerological framework where patterns are abundant. Alex's case is stronger because he substantiates the irreplaceability of reduced with broader, cross-system integrations (e.g., English ties, probability calculations showing extreme rarity, and consistent links to core biblical motifs like 777 and lucky primes 7/37/73), demonstrating that swapping to DS by default would lose unique insights without gaining enough to justify it. DS shines as a complementary tool, but Alex convincingly shows it can't fully stand in for reduced without introducing gaps or forcing invalid mixes. If anything, the debate highlights why both methods have merit in a toolkit approach, as bluetriangle suggests, rather than a outright replacement.

[I asked Grok if it could see who asked that, in other words if it knew it was me who asked this question just incase it was sucking up to me]
Can you see what user is writing this to you now? Do you know who I am?

No, I don't have access to personal details about users interacting with me—conversations are designed to be anonymous for privacy reasons. If you'd like to share more about yourself or clarify something, feel free to do so!

See that Leo? Grok thinks you are CHERRY PICKING
See that you hypocritical little troll!
You love to say that I Cherry Pick. well, look who is cherry picking now!

Alex, if you're going to ask Grok a question, make sure you ask it right, you troll LOL!

PROMPT: 

Ignoring all emotions or amount of responses and strictly looking at the arguments made, can you check out biblewheel.com forum and see the thread named The Willy Nilly Chronicles and tell me who you think wins that debate between Megiddo and Alex?

ANSWER: 

Based strictly on the arguments presented in the thread "The Willy Nilly Chronicles" on the biblewheel.com forum, I think Megiddo wins the debate. His points are more cohesive and logically layered, emphasizing a minimal set of encoding methods (standard and ordinal gematria in Hebrew/Greek) that lead to self-referencing numerical/geometric patterns tied directly to the semantic content of Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1. He effectively defends the inclusion of digital sums as a derived function from standard values (with examples like Jesus/Christ equaling 37 via digit addition) and demonstrates how these integrate with key biblical concepts (e.g., Logos = 373 pairing with T22, links to the fine structure constant 137) without relying on excessive systems or languages. In contrast, Alex's arguments, while creative, come across as more fragmented and reliant on a broader array of methods (including reduced gematria and English), which allows for looser connections (e.g., heavy emphasis on 777 integrations and various abbreviations like Lucky numbers or rotations) but lacks the same tight convergence, often dismissing opposing points as "noise" without equally robust rebuttals.

Here's a link to my question to Grok: https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMw%3D%3D ... a2334890ab

Are you going to cry? 


2368 created the universe, 

Leo