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RAMcGough wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 3:37 pm

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 2:19 pm Shalom Richard

I noticed that you choose 59 as part of my cherry picking, because you challenge me on that date, saying why not any other date and you will get the same results, since yesterday I've been looking more into the symmetry of the number of days with the rest of the whole. Done the same way every day, the results are what they are.

714259 = 28
714258 = 27
714257 = 26

Grace and peace to you LJ!

Let me correct one point - I didn't "choose" the number 59 for anything. I was just responding to the latest in your series of posts.

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 2:19 pm And as you said, It keeps me in His Word, a good thing.

Yes! That is a good thing. And I wonder if we can work together to make it even better. You are putting in many hours ever day on your study, right? Can you list a few of the "best things" it has done for you and your understanding of the Bible? Do you feel like it glorifies God's Word? Have other people benefited by it?

Did you notice my conversation with Glen in this thread The Dumb, Deaf, Seeing and Blind ? He chastised me for being too critical of they style of pattern finding you, Alex and he uses. In my response, I came to realize that it could be thought of like a numerical version of the gift of tongues, and quoted a lot of Paul's teachings about tongues in 1 Cor 14. He said " He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself" and that's totally fine. Paul did not condemn it and neither do I. But I see you are posting for the whole world to see, so I get the impression you want to serve God by sharing patterns using your algorithm. But if you want to do that, you need to be able to INTERPRET the patterns, or they will just be gibberish to other people.

1 Corinthians 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? 17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified. 18I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: 19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding , that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.

20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: 25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

What do you think about this? I'd love to know what you are hoping to achieve for God's Kingdom with all this work you do day after day, year after year. I really hope I can help you find a way for other to understand your work.

In Christ our Lord,

Your brother, Richard

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 4:05 pm Shalom

I know you believe English Gematria is Bolderdash!!!

Is that because you still hold to Preterist doctrine? That all things were fulfilled, and that the mere idea of something that's new like this is Preposterous from that vantage point?

If the possibility doesn't exist for God to do such a work, He has completed everything already, would any amount of evidence persuade someone otherwise?

or Would He be able to do it?

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 4:05 pm I See a LOT of symmetry in these verses, and given the context, Let him that hath understanding count the number, This sure would be a great place for God to encode His Word if He planned on doing it, and counting one by one to find out the account in Ecclesiastes 7

The challenge, Find the cherries

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 4:05 pm The 5th Edition KJV published 1769 = 23 = 5

Wisdom - W 23 I 9 S 19 D 4 O 15 M 13 = 83 = 23rd Prime 5

RAMcGough wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 6:24 pm

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 4:05 pm Shalom

I know you believe English Gematria is Bolderdash!!!

Is that because you still hold to Preterist doctrine? That all things were fulfilled, and that the mere idea of something that's new like this is Preposterous from that vantage point?

If the possibility doesn't exist for God to do such a work, He has completed everything already, would any amount of evidence persuade someone otherwise?

or Would He be able to do it?

Peace to you my brother LJ,

I have never made any connection of any kind between Preterism and English gematria. That thought has never entered my mind. The Bible Wheel is a totally new thing. Preterism didn't stop me from believing God designed it.

Neither have I made any recent arguments against English gematria. You must be thinking about what I said ten or fifteen years ago when I argued strongly against it. I'm currently agnostic about it. I have not seen anything done with it that is remotely as impressive as the holographs bases on Greek and Hebrew. In the past, I argued against it because it wasn't in any of the original manuscripts and it seemed very incoherent and brought the whole study of gematria into disrepute. But I'm currently open-minded to all claims of patterns and design in the Bible. I will happily discuss any evidence of design from any angle.

Did you read my post? Do you understand what Paul meant when he said he'd rather speak five words with understanding rather than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue"? Do you understand that your patterns appear to be an "unknown tongue" that even you have refused to explain? You just highlight a subset of numbers day and day, year after year. Where is the "understanding" in any of that? Why don't you respond to my questions? I'm trying to reason with you so I can help you in your quest to server our God.

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 4:05 pm I See a LOT of symmetry in these verses, and given the context, Let him that hath understanding count the number, This sure would be a great place for God to encode His Word if He planned on doing it, and counting one by one to find out the account in Ecclesiastes 7

The challenge, Find the cherries

The real challenge is find explain how you discern between "cherries" and random noise. Why is this so difficult for you to discuss?

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 4:05 pm The 5th Edition KJV published 1769 = 23 = 5

Wisdom - W 23 I 9 S 19 D 4 O 15 M 13 = 83 = 23rd Prime 5

So wisdom = 83 in English and 73 in Hebrew? You posted both values in the same post. Where's the coherence? Where's the meaning?

Let me explain what I mean by "cherry picking". You're algorithm looks like a random number generator. You then highlight numbers that match and ignore those that don't. Why would anyone thing God has anything to do with that?

The real patterns in Genesis, John and Deteuronomy are totally different. The meaning emerges from the structures of the verses themselves. You don't have to go hunting around looking for "matches" in a seemingly random set of data. Case in point: Genesis 1:1 has an self-coherent recursive pattern based on pairs of hex/star primes that are geometrically generated by a symmetric self-intersection.

T(73) = 2701 = 37 x 73 = H(4) x S(4) = Sum of Genesis 1:1
T(37) = 703 = 19 x 37 = H(3) x S(3) = "and the earth"

This is an absolutely stunning structure. Your algorithm is totally different.

We see the same depth of self-reflective self-coherence in the Shema, which is built on 4 nested layers of multiples of 13 that is based on the central word of the Shema - 13 = echad = one.

13 = One/Echad
13 x 2 = YHVH
13 x 3 = YHVH echad = The Lord is ONE = 3 x 13 = 3 x ONE => The Doctrine of the Trinity
13 x 86 = 1118 = Sum of Shema = ONE (13) x GOD (86)

Patterns like these amplify, confirm and glory God's Word in self-evident ways. No one can accuse me of "cherry picking" because the patterns are built into the verses themselves.

I truly hope you will try to reason with me about these things. I'm just trying to make sense with.

So please try to answer my question. Here it is again: I wonder if we can work together to make it even better. You are putting in many hours ever day on your study, right? Can you list a few of the "best things" it has done for you and your understanding of the Bible? Do you feel like it glorifies God's Word? Have other people benefited by it?

I pray the abundant peace of the Spirit of Christ fills your heart.

Your brother in Christ,

Richard

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 6:44 pm The Prerequisite before counting the number is to already have understanding, without it counting doesn't profit anything.

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 6:44 pm My doctrine since being given this work has not changed, Saved by the blood of YESHUA, Baptized Born Again believer in the New Covenant, that YHWH would write His Torah upon new hearts and minds of flesh, that His people would keep His Statutes and Ordinances, The Covenant for which YESHUA Is the Mediator.

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 6:44 pm Because I've been Born Again, I can say like Paul said and mean it.

Romans 7:22
For I delight in the Torah of God after the inward man:

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 6:44 pm What YESHUA was amazed that Nicodemus didn't know

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 6:44 pm My doctrine has not change, He didn't give me this work for what I might learn, He gave it to me for what I already knew
and being faithful in many other ministries He has led me to.

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 6:44 pm Shabbat Shalom
232 Ben Yissachar

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 7:34 pm Shalom Shalom Again Baruch HaShem YESHUA

Here's a little something something, make of it what you will, had I not found this early on, I might have looked back and not kept plowing, and never produced any fruit.

232 יהי אור ("Let there be light")

The Written number 232 occurs in one verse.

1 Kings 20:15

Then he numbered the young men of the princes of the provinces, and they were two hundred and thirty two: and after them he numbered all the people, even all the children of Israel, being seven thousand.
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A1-Z26

The first and the last occurrences of Issachar in the scriptures.

Genesis Thirty - Eighteen = 251 = 54th Prime 9 _305 = 8

Revelation Seven - Seven = 251 = 54th Prime 9 _ 305 =8

Two Hundred Fifty One = 232

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 7:34 pm My Given name
first = 79 < YESHUA 79
(middle=47 John) - JESUS 74
last=106 = Prophecy
232

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I'm willing to answer any specific question of doctrine, But you will have to narrow it down for me to understand just what particular point you would like addressed.

One question, one answer at a time so I don't get lost, Thanks

RAMcGough wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 7:45 pm

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 7:34 pm Shalom Shalom Again Baruch HaShem YESHUA

Here's a little something something, make of it what you will, had I not found this early on, I might have looked back and not kept plowing, and never produced any fruit.

232 יהי אור ("Let there be light")

The Written number 232 occurs in one verse.

1 Kings 20:15

Then he numbered the young men of the princes of the provinces, and they were two hundred and thirty two: and after them he numbered all the people, even all the children of Israel, being seven thousand.
.
A1-Z26

The first and the last occurrences of Issachar in the scriptures.

Genesis Thirty - Eighteen = 251 = 54th Prime 9 _305 = 8

Revelation Seven - Seven = 251 = 54th Prime 9 _ 305 =8

Two Hundred Fifty One = 232

This is a nice little loop. I can see how it has a satisfying sense of closure, coherence, confirmation.

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 7:34 pm My Given name
first = 79 < YESHUA 79
(middle=47 John) - JESUS 74
last=106 = Prophecy
232

<>

I'm willing to answer any specific question of doctrine, But you will have to narrow it down for me to understand just what particular point you would like addressed.

One question, one answer at a time so I don't get lost, Thanks

Do you believe that you are Jesus Christ?

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 7:52 pm
That's Ridiculous

Are you serious? When putting my name next to His, I won't even capitalize, first middle or last and put this symbol < in just so no one would even think that's the case

As I wrote it
first < YESHUA

You see the math symbol, what does it mean?

He is God, I'm a flesh and blood mortal man. Who is SMH at such a nonsense question

232BenYIssachar

Son of Yissachar

RAMcGough wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 8:04 pm

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 7:52 pm
That's Ridiculous

Are you serious? When putting my name next to His, I won't even capitalize, first middle or last and put this symbol < in just so no one would even think that's the case

As I wrote it
first < YESHUA

You see the math symbol, what does it mean?

He is God, I'm a flesh and blood mortal man. Who is SMH at such a nonsense question

232BenYIssachar

Son of Yissachar

Great answer! I thought about adding "or do you think Jesus marked you with his name because you are a prophet" after I posted it, thinking you might feel offended. But we had said "one question, one answer" so I thought I'd just let it be and see what you say.

Please accept my apology for asking such a "ridiculous" question.

And thank you for the awesome answer.

So how do you understand the meaning of the numbers of your name? If I recall correctly, I did something similar years ago in conversation with you. My name sums to 175 and I linked to something about Jesus or God in response to something you said, and you didn't think it was meaningful. Do you remember that?

SonOfZion232 wrote: Fri Feb 27, 2026 8:14 pm What I might have said is that the number 175 isn't found in the written text, I haven't looked again to see if that is it, but wanted to reply as to not change what is coming to mind, that doesn't mean it is not meaningful, nor have I looked for what it could mean in your case. We were at each others throats back then, I may have said some other things as well, and for whatever I said, sorry, forgive me.

Being able to have a conversations without Ad hominem attacks is nice.

any response, I probably won't get to until the morning

Laila Tov