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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvius View Post
    I did find out how the icosahedron fits within the cube 6 x 6 x 6 (Metatron's cube) http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/show...0599#post60599

    6 x 6 x 6 = 216

    216 being gematria of "d'vir" , name of the most holy in the temple, "wordplace"- "oraculum"

    216 being also outline of triangle 73 (3 x 72), triangle 73 counting up to 2701, the gematria of Genesis 1:1, and also of Genesis 8:14, describing the 365th day after the beginning of the flood , the ideal Yom Kippur, 355 days (of a twelve months year)
    + 10 days.

    Jewish tradition knows the 216 letter name ( or 72 three letter names) of which the last ten letters form the two words "vayibakku hamayim" = and the water split (= quintessential pesach); translated in LXX as καὶ ἐσχίσθη τὸ ὕδωρ ; The same ἐσχίσθη in Mark 14:38, Καὶ τὸ καταπέτασμα τοῦ ναοῦ ἐσχίσθη εἰς δύο ἀπ' ἄνωθεν ἕως κάτω, which must be about the curtain of the Holy of Holies ( "d'vir").
    Hi Sylvius, I have several questions I would like to put forth:

    1) What if Noah was born somewhere between the second day of the first month, (2 Abib) and the sixteenth day of the second month, (16 Iyyar)? Could not then his age have been six hundred years at the commencement of the flood in the seventeenth day of the second month, (17 Iyyar) and yet after a nearly two year flood he still would have been only six hundred and one in the Genesis 8:13 statement? (which actually does not even call it the six hundredth and first year "of Noah" but rather simply "the six hundredth and first year" at 01 Abib).

    If Noah was born within the time frame proposed, (2 Abib to 16 Iyyar) then the following would be true:
    17 Iyyar 600th year of Noah <---> 01 Abib 601st year of Noah = 23.5 months, (1 year and 11.5 months).
    17 Iyyar 600th year of Noah <---> 27 Iyyar 602nd year of Noah = 24 months, (2 years) and ten days.

    2) How is it that Noah was five hundred years old and begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth, (Genesis 5:32) thus making Shem one hundred when the flood occurred in the six hundredth year of Noah: yet we read again later that Shem was an hundred years old and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood, (Genesis 11:10)?

    Just some things to ponder and thanks for the insightful posts you have offered herein.

    And David lamented with this lamentation over Sha'ul, and over Yhonathan his son, and he bade teach the sons of Yhudah the song of the bow; behold, it is written in the Book of the Upright. The Tsebiy of Yisrael is slain upon thy high places: O how the gibborim are fallen!

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    Mark of the Beast

    Greetings folks:

    Nice discussion you have, but I'm wondering how any of this relates to the Mark of the Beast (666 / 616). Could anyone explain how this mark relates to John's audience in the first century AD?

    Joe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymondbmjw View Post
    you cant take a verse and decide what part is literal and what part is metaphpore or allegory.
    IF the part about people only being able to buy or sell is literal then, in the same verse and context, that part about the sign being the name or the number is also literal, in other words only those that have the name or number of the beast on their flesh.
    EX: is the name was Bob and the number was 333, then only those with the name bob or number 333 marked on them would be able to buy and sell.

    That doesnt lend itself to your view that it could be some "chip implant" or thing of that nature that allows people to but or sell by scanning.
    NOT unless that chip has the name or number of the best.

    This more than likely may have meant that only those with the currency that had on it the image of the best some believed it meant Nero or another roman emperor OR perhaps an ally of them could buy and sell.
    No offense, this is straight forward, and if you cant understand this, no wonder you cant understand the whole scenario of events.

    Prophecy is a complete story and scenario and timeline of the near future.

    The Beast is a man, the leader of the country that defeats via nuclear weapons and tyhe final nuclear war, the three countries that oppose it. Making the last remaining seven, surrender to him... and take over the whole world as in WHOLE WORLD. The beast is the anti-christ, the beast is the next president/prime minister of Russia, his name adds up to 666 in gematria.... as that is just one of the multitude of reasons how you can identify him and NOT take Hisd Mark. But if you deny deny everything and cant even understand the basics, then you will fall for his deception, just so you can survive another day... because you have totally missed the warnings the Lord gave in prophecy. It will be your fault and not his. Your error and not HIS.

    Learn the basics first, then add details by praying and studying all prophecy as a whole before getting confused by even this the simpliest of principles concerning the cashless society, and the MARK. Dont you know any current events at all, how can anyone be insuch denial....

    Be prepared and not naive..

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidjayjordan View Post
    No offense, this is straight forward, and if you cant understand this, no wonder you cant understand the whole scenario of events.

    Prophecy is a complete story and scenario and timeline of the near future.

    The Beast is a man, the leader of the country that defeats via nuclear weapons and tyhe final nuclear war, the three countries that oppose it. Making the last remaining seven, surrender to him... and take over the whole world as in WHOLE WORLD. The beast is the anti-christ, the beast is the next president/prime minister of Russia, his name adds up to 666 in gematria.... as that is just one of the multitude of reasons how you can identify him and NOT take Hisd Mark. But if you deny deny everything and cant even understand the basics, then you will fall for his deception, just so you can survive another day... because you have totally missed the warnings the Lord gave in prophecy. It will be your fault and not his. Your error and not HIS.

    Learn the basics first, then add details by praying and studying all prophecy as a whole before getting confused by even this the simpliest of principles concerning the cashless society, and the MARK. Dont you know any current events at all, how can anyone be insuch denial....

    Be prepared and not naive..
    What is the difference between you and untold number of futurist prophecy preachers of the last 2,000 years? Let that sink in... untold number of prophecy preachers.... 2,000 years.... You believe that you are 'right', because all of the 'biblical signs' are lining up? 'They' all believed that they were 'right' and many had better 'explanations' to confuse churchanity. (ie. 1948 + one biblical generation of 40 years brings the 'return' to 1988) David, the Old Testament concealed posts to the New Testament reveled. The first century was the time, predicted by all of the OC prophets. The first century was the changing from one Age to the next Age. The prophecies were to and for THEM of the first century to see the changes. YOU look for something that has been found, your mind just can not grasp that.

    You have said so very little about what prophecies are 'coming to pass' (soon), and what scripture backs that up. Posting a pdf file of a 'map of events', because your pdf file explanation can be moved with each passing day, by you reading the newspaper of 'world' events... The Bible has restrictions of the 'Who, What, Where, When, and Why. You are trying to go beyond those restrictions, into the realm of make believe to force fit your made up pdf file.
    Brother Les

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnyjupe View Post
    Hi Paul,

    I agree context is crucial, and this Revelation was written two thousand years ago. However, do you think its message is just limited to the people of that time? If not, how do you discern which parts are relevant just for them, and which parts are relevant for us?

    The similarities with Daniel are extraordinary, and there is a lot of cohesion with them both. There is in fact a very clear specific time-frames that are given in both books, which presuming they were just for the past would mean the rebuilding of them temple would have happened, the great tribulation would have happened, the mark of the beast would have happened, and Jesus would have returned.

    You said:
    The mark that all will have on their right hand is either the name or the number of the beast,

    The prophecy does say people will not be able to buy or sell except they have the name or number of the beast, but it doesnt say the mark is just these either one of these. Look at the text you
    Yes, Johnny, denying the Mark of the Beast development is a denial of current events, and a denial of the Lord's prophecy, and the whole events of the AntiChrists reign.



    [link to id2020.org]

    This ID will "provide legal identity to all, including birth registration, by 2030" and"connect people with digitally-based financial tools and services."

    As a step towards this goal, Microsoft and Accenture have created a global ID system for refugees, which appears as a tester, of sorts, before it is imposed on the whole world:


    Microsoft and Accenture Unveil Global ID System for Refugees


    Jeff John Roberts
    Jun 19, 2017
    Fortune.com


    Americans can show all sorts of documents, such as Social Security cards and diplomas, to show who they are. But for those from countries torn apart by war or political chaos, it's much harder to prove their identities.

    That's why a new software tool, unveiled on Monday at the United Nations, is a big deal. It will let millions of refugees and other without documents whip out a phone or other device to quickly show who they are and where they came from.


    The tool, developed in part by Microsoft and Accenture, combines biometric data (like a fingerprint or an iris scan) and a new form of record-keeping technology, known as the blockchain, to create a permanent identity.


    In practice, this means someone arriving at a border crossing could prove he or she had come from a refugee camp and qualify for aid. Or a displaced person in a new country could use the ID system to call up his or her school records. The tool doesn't have a name yet since it's at the prototype stage but will get one soon.

    "Approximately one-sixth of the world?s population cannot participate in cultural, political, economic and social life because they lack the most basic information: documented proof of their existence. Establishing identity is critical to accessing a wide range of activities, including education, healthcare, voting, banking, mobile communications, housing, and family and childcare benefits," Accenture explained in a news release.

    The companies have been working on the new system since last year, and unveiled the prototype at a summit in New York called United Nations ID2020.

    More at the link:
    [link to fortune.com]







    The key to this seems to be using blockchain technology, which can use biometrics to identify people. Blockchain serve as "an open, distributed ledger that can record transactions between two parties efficiently and in a verifiable and permanent way."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Les View Post
    What is the difference between you and untold number of futurist prophecy preachers of the last 2,000 years? Let that sink in... untold number of prophecy preachers.... 2,000 years.... You believe that you are 'right', because all of the 'biblical signs' are lining up? 'They' all believed that they were 'right' and many had better 'explanations' to confuse churchanity. (ie. 1948 + one biblical generation of 40 years brings the 'return' to 1988) David, the Old Testament concealed posts to the New Testament reveled. The first century was the time, predicted by all of the OC prophets. The first century was the changing from one Age to the next Age. The prophecies were to and for THEM of the first century to see the changes. YOU look for something that has been found, your mind just can not grasp that.

    You have said so very little about what prophecies are 'coming to pass' (soon), and what scripture backs that up. Posting a pdf file of a 'map of events', because your pdf file explanation can be moved with each passing day, by you reading the newspaper of 'world' events... The Bible has restrictions of the 'Who, What, Where, When, and Why. You are trying to go beyond those restrictions, into the realm of make believe to force fit your made up pdf file.
    No, the difference is knowing the basics of prophecy, and comparing all of them together to see the fulfillments without being intimidated by those that went wrtong and had no basics and frightened away others like yourselves who are afraid of the complexities of prophecy and so deny all prophecy, because you have no foundation.

    The END TIME is not at hand, the basic is and always will be is that the Covenant of Daniel has to be signed FIRST, the Lord is not coming back tommorrow or next year. IMPOSSIBLE. All events have to culminate and it has to follow the scenario of events of the Lord as described in sooooo much detail by the Lord.

    http://www.davidjayjordan.com/WaitfortheCovenant.html

    The Lord comes seven whole years exactly after the Covenant is signed..... the Great Tribulation starts 3.5 years after the Covenant is signed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidjayjordan View Post
    No, the difference is knowing the basics of prophecy, and comparing all of them together to see the fulfillments without being intimidated by those that went wrtong and had no basics and frightened away others like yourselves who are afraid of the complexities of prophecy and so deny all prophecy, because you have no foundation.

    The END TIME is not at hand, the basic is and always will be is that the Covenant of Daniel has to be signed FIRST, the Lord is not coming back tommorrow or next year. IMPOSSIBLE. All events have to culminate and it has to follow the scenario of events of the Lord as described in sooooo much detail by the Lord.

    http://www.davidjayjordan.com/WaitfortheCovenant.html

    The Lord comes seven whole years exactly after the Covenant is signed..... the Great Tribulation starts 3.5 years after the Covenant is signed.
    Could you give a chapter/verse of this covenant of Daniel to be signed by 10 nations. ( Is this in your mind the European Union that is falling apart?)

    Where in scripture does it require a building of a third temple when the Herod temple was standing when the NT was written?

    The NT was written in the simple Greek language, the first century writers and readers understood what it said and that the timeline of fulfillment was 'that first century generation'.

    You seem to be on purpose avoiding the who what where why and when of the Bible. We are not first century Hebrews under the Mosaic Law that was waxing old and fading away..... (in the first century). Jesus said that He ONLY came to seek and to save The Lost Sheep of Israel.....

    If are a Messianic Jewish follower..... do you know what the name of the Mosaic Temple Cultus religion is (for 1,500 years) ???? You should know. You don't know what the ISRAELITES religions name is, do you????
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidjayjordan View Post
    No, the difference is knowing the basics of prophecy, and comparing all of them together to see the fulfillments without being intimidated by those that went wrtong and had no basics and frightened away others like yourselves who are afraid of the complexities of prophecy and so deny all prophecy, because you have no foundation.

    The END TIME is not at hand, the basic is and always will be is that the Covenant of Daniel has to be signed FIRST, the Lord is not coming back tommorrow or next year. IMPOSSIBLE. All events have to culminate and it has to follow the scenario of events of the Lord as described in sooooo much detail by the Lord.

    http://www.davidjayjordan.com/WaitfortheCovenant.html

    The Lord comes seven whole years exactly after the Covenant is signed..... the Great Tribulation starts 3.5 years after the Covenant is signed.
    Brother LES asked you this, and I've asked you this as well, with no answer as of yet. What in the book of Daniel is there to be a covenant. Are you referring to these verses?

    Daniel 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.?

    Daniel 11:22 With the force of a flood they shall be swept away from before him and be broken, and also the prince of the covenant

    Daniel 11:28 While returning to his land with great riches, his heart shall be moved against the holy covenant; so he shall do damage and return to his own land.

    Daniel 11:30 For ships from Cyprus shall come against him; therefore he shall be grieved, and return in rage against the holy covenant, and do damage. ?So he shall return and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant.

    Daniel 11:32 Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits.


    As I have explained to you before, Daniel 9:27 is not a covenant made by some kind of Anti-Christ especially considering Daniel 9 never mentions anything of an Anti-Christ. The only pronoun that is used in Daniel chapter 9 is The Messiah the Prince. Thus, Daniel 9.27 is not a covenant made by an Anti-Christ, but the New Covenant made by the Messiah, which he spent the final week of the 490 weeks confirming. Do a word search for the entire new Testament, and count how many times the word "covenant" was used.

    Did you also notice the other verses of Daniel in chapter 11, and how the "covenant" is referred to as "the holy covenant"? How can an Anti-Christ sign a "Holy Covenant"? Now keep in mind that the covenants spoken of in Daniel 9, are not the same as Daniel 11. For the covenant mentioned in Daniel 11 had to do with Antiochus IV Epiphanes and his deal with the Jews, and how he corrupted many of the Jews who wanted to be more like Greeks. The Jews who were captured by Antiochus and who refused to submit to him, were persecuted horribly, many of whom died. But the Jews who profaned the "holy covenant" became corrupted with their nude wrestling, combat training, drinking, idolatry, etc. Thus Daniel 11 was about the sack of Jerusalem by Antiochus IV.

    Daniel 9:27:
    Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
    But in the middle of the week
    He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

    Matthew 26:28:
    For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

    Mark 14:24:
    And He said to them, ?This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

    Acts 3:25: (New Covenant confirmed via Abraham and Fulfilled on Pentecost - Seed is Christ)
    You are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, ?And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.?

    Romans 11:27:
    For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins." (Acts 2:38)

    1 Corinthians 11:25:
    In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, ?This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.?

    2 Corinthians 3:6: New Covenant of the Spirit, and not the Old Covenant of the Letter/Law
    who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

    Galatians 4: TWO Covenants: Old Covenant of Bondange (Israel of the flesh) and New Covenant of Freedom (Israel of God/Heavenly Jerusalem)

    22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the[d] two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar? 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children? 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written:

    ?Rejoice, O barren,
    You who do not bear!
    Break forth and shout,
    You who are not in labor!
    For the desolate has many more children
    Than she who has a husband.?[e]
    28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? ?Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.?[f] 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

    Time would fail me if I continued trying to explain the covenant. Yet nowhere in scripture is there any so-called, "covenant" made between Jews and the Anti-Christ. This is all made-up Darby and Scofield BS! Absolutely zero truth to this mythical fabrication. Anyone who believes in this garbage is believing a lie. And anyone who refuses to accept the truth of Daniel 9:27 (confirmation of the Covenant for a week), is lost, and are guilty of blasphemy against the Messiah. For it was the Messiah that confirmed the covenant with the many through his blood, for a week while being cut-off/killed in the middle of the week. Yet even after His death, the confirmation of the covenant as confirmed on Pentecost when He sent forth the promise of the Holy Spirit, to bring children of Israel who heard His voice into the kingdom of freedom, to be set freed from the kingdom of bondage (Israel of the flesh corresponds to Hagar, the slave woman).

    In conclusion, it is quite clear and 100% percent without any doubt, that the "Holy Covenant" spoken of by Daniel the Prophet is the one and only covenant instituted by Christ Jesus; signed, sealed and delivered by His blood! Anyone who teaches otherwise, are lost people, and remain in bondage, and are guilty of slandering God's Holy teachings and His Holy Name.

    Joe
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