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    Seventh Day of the week

    What is it about the three days of dead and resurrection of the Messiah?

    Can you look at the weekly calendar to get an answer?

    A week is a counting to 7. What is the starting point of such a count?

    An old children's hopscotch game helps us answer this question

    It is certainly not wrong to say that at the beginning you are standing with your feet outside the seven boxes

    You will have to take 7 equal steps to get to the seventh box.

    This means You count the days of a week from outside the week. But what is that day?

    You will say that is the Sabbath day of the previous week.

    Yes, when one week joins another, that is indeed the case. Jews, after all, always count from Sabbath to Sabbath.

    But what about the creation week? From which day were the days counted?

    There was no previous week in the creation week.

    In the beginning G-d created (time) the heavens (space) and the earth (matter) Gen.1:1

    Time is nothing other than the movement of the stars plus conjunction.

    There was already time before the first day of creation

    And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of G-d moved upon the face of the waters. Gen.1:2

    The counting of the days began during the eclipse from outside the week.

    To what day or time period would you assign the eclipse?

    Last edited by Theodoric; 05-03-2021 at 05:52 AM.
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    Do the test and count backwards from the 7th day and you will land on your starting place outside the boxes. Likewise, if you count forward seven steps from the 7th day of the week, you will again land on the 7th day of the following week.

    Have you ever wondered why the Sabbath commandment is the 4th commandment?

    This is not a coincidence.

    In the beginning G-d created the heaven and the earth. Gen.1:1

    The Protovers of the bible in Hebrew consists of 28 letters and 7 words.

    7 for a week and
    28 for a Month with 4 weeks and 4 Sabbaths.

    Each month always contains 4 Sabbaths.
    Last edited by Theodoric; 05-03-2021 at 05:52 AM.
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    The biblical month, however, consists of a total of 29 or 30 days. The 1 to 2 days missing from the 28 days is the time when the moon is outshone by the sunlight scattered by the sun, so that it cannot be seen with the naked eye. The starting point of the creation week is the new moon which is outside the week. The Sabbath day is anchored in the new moon.

    Let us take a leap into the time of the life of the Lord Jesus.

    The biblical week, like the beginnings of the planetary week in the Roman Empire, was also still anchored to the moon, so that the day of Saturn coincided with the Sabbath day until the attachment to the moon was abandoned by the Romans

    The day of Saturn in the Roman lunar calendar always fell on the 1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th days of the month, the very same days on which the Jews kept the biblical Sabbath. Hence it came that the Romans claimed that the Jews worshipped Saturn

    Saturns day of the planetary week during of the Messiahs time corresponded perfectly with the New Moon and Sabbaths of The Original Timepiece. Saturns day of that time period was not Saturday as we know it on our modern calendar - the seventh day of a continuously cycling planetary week, having no connection with the moon.

    The original pagan lunar calendar, with the planetary week included, had the same dates tied with the same weekdays for every day of the month. Below is a calendar showing the original planetary week that Dio Cassius explained in his writings. He was a Roman historian who described Saturns day before Constantine brought the Christian planetary week into the Roman civil calendar in 321. Each month would have looked something like this

    So how does this planetary week/lunar month calendar compare with the original Hebrew seventh-day Sabbath?

    The days for the planetary week on Saturns day coincide with the new moon and Sabbath days.

    After all, the Romans persecuted the Jews most cruelly and had the biblical calendar banned.

    The Emperor Hadrian, 117-138, tried to eradicate Judaism, which he saw as the cause of constant rebellions. He banned the Torah and the calendar and had Jewish scholars executed.

    The Jews conformed to the new seven-day uninterrupted week by celebrating the Sabbath regularly every seven days to this day.

    The Romans, as written above, called Saturday Saturni dies for the planet Saturn.

    This followed an ancient pattern to name the hours of the day and the days of the week according to the order of the planets

    Astrologically, the first hour of the first day is assigned to the planet Saturn and then each subsequent hour is assigned to the following planet in the traditional order Saturn-Jupiter-Mars-Sun-Venus. Since there are only seven planets, the eight hour will again be assigned to Saturn, and the seven-hour cycle will begin again.

    Since the ruler of the first hour of each day should also rule the entire day as a whole, the entire first day was astrologically assigned to Saturn, the second to the Sun, the third to the Moon, the fourth to Mars, the fifth to Mercury, the sixth to Jupiter, and the seventh to Venus. At this point, the 168-hour cycle is complete and the regent of what would otherwise have been the eight days becomes Saturn again, the regent of the first day of the cycle.
    Last edited by Theodoric; 05-03-2021 at 07:19 AM.
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    Still today the Gregorian Saturday as the first day of the week is preserved in the neighboring countries of Israel as in the times of the Messiah on earth, namely Egypt, Jordan and Syria. Israel is surrounded exclusively by middle east countries, where Saturday is still the first day of the week

    In the Roman calendar, Saturday represented the first day of the week as the "day of Saturn", since Saturn occupies the highest rank among the planets of the seven weekday names in the downward sidereal order

    The ancient symbol of Saturn resembles a crescent. It is also the alchemical symbol for the element h

    The crescent moon was a common alchemy symbol for the metal silver. The Dies Saturni as the first day of the month coincides with the Jewish beginning of a month, consequently also the 8th 15th 22nd and 29th day of the month.

    Cassius Dio referred to the first direct evidence as the first day of the week in connection with the city of Pompeii, which was destroyed by the eruption of Mount Vesuvius on Tuesday, the "fourth day of the week" (August 24, 79)

    Tuesday Day 4
    Monday Day 3
    Sunday Day 2
    Saturday Day 1
    In the further course, Saturday shifted from the first to the last day according to Christian counting

    Historically and biblically wrong is the assertion that the Gregorian Saturday corresponds to the Sabbath day as it is mentioned in the Bible.

    The sequence of the seven days of the astrological week is based essentially on the arrangement of the seven planets in the fixed, unchanging order Saturn-Jupiter-Mars-Sun-Venus-Mercury-Moon, a distinctive Hellenistic arrangement that developed only in the second century.

    Under the earth-centered (geocentric) model of the solar system, all 7 planets revolved around the earth

    When we examine how the sequence of the seven days of the astrological week might be derived from the order in which the Hellenistic astronomers arranged the seven planets, we immediately notice an obvious overall pattern.

    To derive the sequence of planetary days from the Saturn-Jupiter-Mars-Sun-Venus-Mercury-Moon series, we must proceed with planetary jumps, which consist of skipping two planets at a time. So, starting with Saturn, we would go to the Sun (by skipping Jupiter and Mars), from there to the Moon (which passes through Venus and Mercury), from there to Mars (by skipping Saturn and Jupiter), and so on. If we assign days to each of the planets we stopped on, we would arrive at the following series:

    the day of Saturn, the day of the Sun, the day of the Moon, the day of Mars, the day of Mercury, the day of Jupiter, and the day of Venus.

    As we have already seen, this is exactly the order of the days of the astrological week.
    Last edited by Theodoric; 05-03-2021 at 07:29 AM.
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    The following portraits of the planetary g-ds of the astrological week were found on a wall in Herculaneum (Ital. Ercolano). Herculaneum was an ancient city on the Gulf of Naples that, like Pompeii and Stabiae, perished in the eruption of Mount Vesuvius in the second half of 79. The modern successor settlement on the same site has been called Ercolano since 1969. The medallions were in a single row in the following order

    Saturn, Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercuri, Jupiter and Venus

    A stone fragment of a calendar showing the planetary designations of the days of the week Saturn, Sun, Moon and Mars. The last three days are broken off. Below appear the names of the cities where the markets were held

    These portraits of g-ds of the planetary week were depicted on a wall in Pompeii, a city that was destroyed by Vesuvius in 79. They are exhibited in the archaeological museum of Naples

    A plug-in calendar with the 7-day planetary week in the bath of Titus, the Roman emperor, starting with Saturn, the first day of the week

    A bracelet from Syria from the end of the third or beginning of the fourth century. The first figure represents the g-ddess Fortuna, Greek Tuche. It is followed by the 7 planetary g-ds in the order of the days of the planetary week:

    Cronus (Saturn) Helios (Sun) Selene (Moon) Ares (Mars) Hermes (Mercury) Zeus (Jupiter) Aphrodite (Venus)

    This small bronze boat from Roman times was found in Montpelier, France. It shows the planetary g-ds in the order of the astrological week.

    From right to left: Saturn, Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter and Venus

    Medallions showing the days of the week. Starting from the left with Saturn.

    Saturn, Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, this is exactly the order of the corresponding days of the week of the planetary week in the first century.

    Naples, Archaeological Museum. Inventory number 9519

    The Jupiter Giant Column of Hausen an der Zaber is a dedicatory monument to Jupiter and Juno, which a Roman citizen had erected on his estate in Hausen an der Zaber around the year 200. During an excavation in 1964, the almost completely preserved remains of the column were recovered and transferred to the collection of the Roman Lapidarium in Stuttgart.

    The column is made of reed sandstone, a variety of Keuper sandstone. An octagonal weekly g-dstone and the column shaft with the capital and the giant rider sculpture rise above a cuboidal four-g-dstone. The row begins with the Roman g-ddess of victory Victoria, followed in second place by the weekday g-ds with Saturn at the beginning and Venus at the end

    Bronze incense burner with a depiction of the g-d of war Mars, together with the other g-ds of the week Saturn, Sol, Luna, Mercury, Jupiter and Venus, a flute player and a sacrificing priest. The censer was probably used for incense during sacrificial acts, Augst Roman Museum.

    The Augst Roman Museum (alternate names: Augusta Raurica; Roman House and Museum; Roman City of Augusta Raurica) is an archaeological museum and open-air museum in the municipality of Augst in the canton of Basel-Landschaft in Switzerland. The museum houses the most important finds from the excavations at Kaiseraugst and Augst and conveys the rich history of the Roman city of Augusta Raurica. In addition to the museum, there are other exhibition rooms and more than twenty open-air sites throughout the area of the municipalities of Kaiseraugst and Augst. The most important exhibit is the silver treasure of Kaiseraugst.

    Unrolling of the basin wall: Saturn, Sol, Luna, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus, flute player and sacrificing priest

    An image of the Gallo-Roman g-ddess Tutela in the British museum with Saturns day as the first day of the week

    The oldest known calendars have always been based on lunar cycles. This was also the case with the Roman lunar calendar, which was found during the excavation of the remains of a Roman pottery in Trier. The original dates back to the 4th century and was still fully functional when it was found. The Roman Lunar Calendar is on display at the Landesmuseum in Trier. The Roman Lunar Calendar shows the days of the week in the form of seven Roman deities. Thus, Saturn represents Saturday, Sol represents Sunday, Luna represents Monday, Mars represents Tuesday, Mercury represents Wednesday, Jupiter represents Thursday and Venus represents Friday. The deities are plastically depicted in reliefs. The elaboration is rich in detail, from the robes to the faces. One row below, reliefs mark the four seasons. In their center is depicted the g-ddess Minerva, the g-ddess of knowledge. On the right and left, 15 depressions each offer the possibility to mark the waxing or waning moon phase

    During the Second Temple period, the biblical calendar became a defining issue and a point of attraction for controversy.
    Last edited by Theodoric; 05-04-2021 at 01:45 AM.
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    James Dywer writes in his book, The Significance of the lunar week

    A significant function of the lunar-week-unit or the lunar-quarter-phase was seemingly in the determination of the Sabbath--where each reoccurring 7th whole-day of the lunar-cycle was religiously observed.

    The definition of only a lunar-based-week in Palestine in centuries prior to the First Century raises some question as to whether the 7th-Day Sabbath (as it was observed under the late Second-Temple) was counted as a quarter-division of the lunar-cycle... or if perhaps the 7th Day Sabbath was counted by some other cycle. The religious calendar observed under the late Second-Temple is well detailed in the writings of the priest-historian, Josephus. From the writings of Josephus, it is very clear that the 7th day was especially significant as being the Jewish Sabbath. On 7th days ordinary occupation ceased, and additional Temple sacrifices were offered. (Refer to Antiquities, Book 1, 1:1; Book 3, 6:6; Book 3, 10:1; etc.; etc.). It isn't very obvious that the 7th days (or Sabbaths)--as spoken of by Josephus--were once celebrated by mainstream Jews in association with the lunar-week-unit.
    The Sabbath, originally lunar, was discarded in this form by a new generation of temple priests

    it seems that--under the late Second-Temple --more than one version of the Sabbath might have been counted and celebrated. A Sabbath which was not lunar-based can more clearly be detected from the writings of a Jewish sect--who once resided at Qumran (located about 30 miles outside of Jerusalem).

    Josephus noted that a Jewish sect known as the Essenes were excluded from performing sacrifices at the Temple

    This exclusion of the Essenes from the common court of the Temple indicates that the first-century members of the group may have promulgated religious practices which were in opposition to religious practices adhered to by the Temple priests.

    An analysis of the Sea Scrolls seems to show that the Qumran sect advocated a different priesthood... and it is clear that the group also advocated a calendar change (presumably, in opposition to the established Temple).

    It is significant that ... weeks in each seasonal cycle --as minimally was advocated by at least the Qumran sect --were not lunar-based-weeks, but rather these weeks were nothing more than a continuous chain of 7-day-cycles.

    It is possible in the late Second-Temple Era that other Jewish groups might have also advocated a change of the priesthood (and possibly also a change in the religious calendar). By the First Century CE, it is apparent that many of the Jews were generally dissatisfied with the Temple priesthood. Confusion seems to have existed concerning the legitimacy of those who were appointed to occupy the office of the high-priest. This confusion concerning the appointment of the high-priest is echoed in 'Antiquities of the Jews' (by Josephus)

    Because the last of the high-priests who served under the Second-Temple were appointed by foreign governors (and thus were presumed to be illegitimate), it's easy to recognize why certain among the Jews would have favored a reformation. An analysis of the 52 week religious calendar--advocated at Qumran--seems to show that the Sabbath week (actually a seasonal subdivision) may have been determined very differently than was the Sabbath week determined by the priesthood who served during the early-part of the Second-Temple Era. As better explained below, it minimally appears that priests--who served during the early-part of the Second-Temple Era--adhered to lunar-based Sabbath (or a Sabbath observed in association with each lunar quarter-phase). It is possible in the late Second-Temple Era that other Jewish groups might have also advocated a change of the priesthood (and possibly also a change in the religious calendar)
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    Until the time of Roman rule, the high priest held his office until the end of his life; the office itself was hereditary. The Romans interrupted this line by appointing and also removing the high priest. Since Jewish religious offices in this period depended largely on the goodwill of the Roman occupying power in Judea, the incumbent high priest will have had considerable regard for Roman concerns. The office of high priest was given by the Roman governors to a member of the Sadducee priestly aristocracy according to political expediency. Because of the lack of succession, its legitimacy was disputed by various Jewish groups.

    After the Great Jewish Revolt, the Romans destroyed the Jerusalem Temple and with it the cultic center of Judaism in the year 70.

    After the brutal suppression of the revolt in 135 and the devastation of Judea, according to reports of Cassius Dio, 580,000 Jews were killed, 50 fortified cities were silenced and 985 villages were destroyed, sanctions were taken against the Jews in the empire. The Torah and the biblical calendar were banned, as well as Jewish scholars were executed and scrolls sacred to the Jews were burned on the Temple Mount.

    According to Iranaeus, "Sixtus was the first to celebrate a Sunday Easter in Rome instead of the traditional date of the Passover of the lunar calendar. This change from the lunisolar to the fixed solar calendar occurred in Rome during the repressive measures imposed against all Jewish customs, including the lunar calendar, during the reign of Emperor Hadrian.

    The Torah and the Jewish calendar were banned, Jewish scholars were executed, and scrolls sacred to Jews were burned on the Temple Mount. Statues of Jupiter and the Emperor were erected at the former Temple sanctuary.

    With the fall of the Nazarene headquarters ... in Jerusalem, this new Roman calendar quickly spread throughout Christendom. This new calendar replaced not only annual feast days such as Passover, but also the concept of the week and its seventh day.

    A letter of Irenaeus shows that the variety of Easter practices existed at least from the time of Pope Sixtus I (around 120).

    Further, Irenaeus says that St. Polycarp, who like the other Eastern Christians kept Passover on the fourteenth day of the moon... by maintaining the tradition he had derived from John the Apostle.

    Initially, the Gentile Christians also kept the same lunar Sabbath calendar as the Nazarenes. This practice was first changed by Pope Sixtus in 126 A.D.. Later it was officially changed by a royal Roman decree of Emperor Constantine. The observance of the Sabbath day became illegal and the observance of a "Sunday" in a fixed week became mandatory for all except farmers.

    At this time, the Roman Saturn's Day (Saturday) was the first day of the Roman week. The worship of the Sun in the second century A.D. began to impose on Roman culture to change the first day of their week from Saturday to Sunday. Had the Jews observed the same Roman calendar at this early date, as some claim, the seventh day Sabbath would have been on the day of Venus, a Friday, the traditional seventh day of this Roman calendar in the first century.

    The fact that "others in the East kept this feast [Passover] on the Sabbath" indicates that this group still preserves the weekly Sabbath calendar - under this calendar the first high day of Passover ALWAYS fell on a weekly Sabbath (the 15th of Nisan).
    Last edited by Theodoric; 05-03-2021 at 06:15 AM.
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    History refutes the assumption of an uninterrupted weekly cycle since creation. According to ancient ideas, todays Saturday was the first day of the week.

    Nothing shall be added to or taken away from Torah

    Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your G-d which I command you. Deu 4:2
    The rabbis simply postpone certain moedim, such as the Day of Atonement, so that it does not fall on a Friday and thus next to a Saturday Sabbath. They have made a regular mathematics out of it.

    The Torah neither knows nor teaches such a thing.

    If the days fall as in the biblical calendar, it is noticeable that in such years no shifting rules are necessary at all.

    The interesting thing about the year 30 C.E. is that you can forget postponements altogether. Without postponements you would arrive at the same conclusions about this year ? Trumpets, the first day of the Feast and the eight day of the Feast all fell on the Sabbath. Only the year 30 C.E.
    Quoted from the United Church of G-d, an International Association, Summary of Hebrew Calendar, Doctrinal Paper, p.16, feb.1997
    In the biblical calendar, the weekly Sabbaths always fall on the 15th and 22nd, the first and last days of the Feast of Tabernacles.
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    On new zealand's TV station tagata pasifika, two newscasters report on a calendar change affecting the sabbath in a story about samoa's seventh-day adventists, due to a shift in the dateline for economic reasons. The adventists , it is reported, face an unwanted problem, the removal of a calendar day. as a result, their seventh-day sabbath jumps to sunday. a split has been the result, as one part of the adventists now holds regular meetings on sundays , the other part continues to hold meetings on saturdays, but both groups are demanding an end to the split. In the film, which lasts about 7 minutes, an elder of the congregation finally goes on record perplexed

    If we are wrong please lord show us but if they are wrong please lord show them.
    Q.:Dateline change in Samoa
    The Creators calendar has no fixed date boundary, and if it does, it is fluid.
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    At the conquest of Jericho in the book of Joshua chapter 6, the following instruction is given to the israelites

    And ye shall compass the city, all ye men of war, and go round about the city once. Thus shalt thou do six days... and the seventh day ye shall compass the city seven times, and the priests shall blow with the trumpets. Jos.6:3-4
    Finally, on the seventh day, the walls fell down

    So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep Jos.6:20-21

    The Churches of G-d believes that according to tradition, Israel took the city on the last day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Thus, the battle and victory are said to have taken place at the end of the feast. The difficulty with this is that the focus of the battle took place on a holy day. That is, the Israelites are said to have been ordered to wage war on such a day.

    The book of Jashar describes in chapter 88 the same events as in Joshua

    And it was in the second month, on the first day of the month, that the Lord said to Joshua, Rise up, behold I have given Jericho into thy hand
    with all the people thereof; and all your fighting men shall go round the city, once each day, thus shall you do for six days. Jas.88:14

    According to this, the Israelites began to circumambulate the city on the first day of the month, the day of the new moon, and therefore did not wage war on a
    seventh-day Sabbath.

    In 1 Kings 20:26ff, a war of King Ben-Hadad against the Israelites is described. In verse 29 it says

    And they pitched one over against the other seven days. And so it was, that in the seventh day the battle was joined: and the children of Israel slew of the Syrians an hundred thousand footmen in one day. 1 King 20:29
    Again, the question arises, what day was the Sabbath during this battle?

    Verse 26 says:

    And it came to pass at the return of the year, that Benhadad numbered the Syrians, and went up to Aphek, to fight against Israel. 1 King 20:26
    The Hebrew word for "return of the year" is

    teshuwbah shaneh

    teshuwbah shaneh is the first day of the biblical year. This day is also a new moon.

    So the principle here is the same.

    The battle began on the new moon and ended just before the beginning of the Sabbath; day 8/month.

    It is refreshing to see how accurate the Bible is and that you can rely on it, even in such details!
    Last edited by Theodoric; 05-03-2021 at 09:29 AM.
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