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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Les View Post
    Oh, but the Bible is completely 'Literal'.... it is how the context of reading it makes the reality of that literalism to come out. The Hebraic mindset and culture is Eastern Oriental and that is how the Bible is written and speaks. The question in reading any text is how the writer wants 'you' to read/see it. Are not certain texts written in the Physical Literal, Metaphoric Literal, or Spiritual Literal and/or a combinations of two or three of these? Always step into the shoes of the writer and recipient of THAT time frame.
    Scripture was not written 'To Us', but was kept as it is 'For Us', for our learning and understanding. 'We' are 'the children' of those to whom The Book was written to and for.
    I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

    https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

    Further.
    http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html

    Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

    Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

    "Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

    Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

    This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02...list=PLCBF574D

    B L

    Get on topic or be ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatest I am View Post
    I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.



    Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

    B L

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    Rabbi Hillel knew who his neighbors were because of Jewish (Not Mosaic) teaching. By Jewish teaching those outside the camp were dogs and animals, to be used. Jesus could not be a contemporary of Hillel, because Jesus taught a different version of 'who is my neighbor'. Jesus taught that even the humanoid dogs and animals, who were never under the Law of Moses or following 'the traditions of men', were even included as neighbors. Jesus was condemned to death by the Rabbis for teaching against and breaking Jewish Law and traditions. Jesus seemed to think that He was fulfilling the Mosaic Law and Prophets and was put to death for such thinking.
    (it should be noted that the Prophets said that the Messiah would be rejected and put to death because 'The People' did not want to hear or do the truth of the Law and Prophets Psalms 113?118)

    "Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."
    Does Origen clarify which type of 'Literal' that Origen was talking about? Origen seemed to be studying the book/Bible from a Western mind set. The Bible was not written in a Western mindset, but a Hebraic Eastern Oriental mindset. The Bible can only be read from that mindset to be understood. This is not a Jewish understood mindset, but Hebraic Eastern Oriental.

    Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
    Jesus was manifested only to seek and save the Lost Children of Israel. During the first century the vast majority of Israel was sifted to the nations and had became as Gentles. It is these Hebrew/Gentiles that were no longer under the Mosaic Law and could never come under the Mosaic Law again, because Ephraim was given a bill of divorce from YHWH, marriage over, covenant... over.

    Get on topic or be ignored.
    The topic is God doing His will of saving. The Law and the Prophets (not the traditions of men) showed everyone of Israel what His will was/is. The first century Priesthood and Sanhedrin did not follow YHWH or keep His covenant with Him. When a contract is not followed, but broken, then the terms (Judgments) of the contract can be enforced. The offer of saving can and will be removed and given to another People who do follow the will of YHWH.
    Last edited by Brother Les; 05-15-2020 at 09:07 AM.
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    B L

    Get on topic or be ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatest I am View Post
    B L

    Get on topic or be ignored.

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    The topic was covered. Your question/statement covered and answered. Your paradigm mindset says and sees something different. That is your free will, carnal privilege.

    Peace to you
    Brother Les

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