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    Does the Number 318 in Exodus 14:14 prove gematria was being used?

    Quote Originally Posted by thebluetriangle View Post
    , the spelling of the words used in the text was already fixed by the time it was written, a time when alphabetic numeration was unknown to the writers.
    Genesis 14:14 proves otherwise

    And Abram heard that his kinsman had been taken captive, and he armed his trained men, those born in his house, three hundred and eighteen, and he pursued [them] until Dan.



    318 being numerical value of the name Eliezer

    Genesis 15:2,
    And Abram said, "O Lord God, what will You give me, since I am going childless, and the steward of my household is Eliezer of Damascus?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvius View Post
    Genesis 14:14 proves otherwise

    And Abram heard that his kinsman had been taken captive, and he armed his trained men, those born in his house, three hundred and eighteen, and he pursued [them] until Dan.



    318 being numerical value of the name Eliezer

    Genesis 15:2,
    And Abram said, "O Lord God, what will You give me, since I am going childless, and the steward of my household is Eliezer of Damascus?"
    How does that single coincidence prove anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough View Post
    How does that single coincidence prove anything?
    318 is also gematria of "siach" = bush, shrub; conversation, talk; meditation

    in Genesis 2:5

    וְכֹ֣ל שִׂ֣יחַ הַשָּׂדֶ֗ה טֶ֚רֶם יִֽהְיֶ֣ה בָאָ֔רֶץ and every bush of the field when it was not yet in the earth


    same earth that was mentioned in Genesis 1:1

    it needed the mist, "ed", of Genesis 2:6 to give drink to the entire surface of the ground.

    giving drink = "shakah", rootletters "shin- kof", that are also in "ben- meshek beiti", steward of my houshold, and "d'meshek", Damascus ( explained as "the one who drew and gave to drink from his master's teachings to others.) in Genesis 15:2

    so that proves it is not mere coincidence

    Mist "ed" is written "alef-dalet" = "1-4" -- source of the 1:4 ratio of the two trees.

    But of course it was written by God,
    or better dictated by God and written down by Moses
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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvius View Post
    or better dictated by God and written down by Moses
    But who was Moses?

    He was born in a world where all new born baby boys had to be thrown into the Nile ( the river ) = into oblivion

    (since "zachar" , male, is related to "zachar" = to remember)

    Exodus 1:22, And Pharaoh commanded all his people, saying, "Every son who is born you shall cast into the Nile, and every daughter you shall allow to live."



    His name is declared as, Exodus 2:10, "ki min-hamayim mishiteihu"
    "For I drew him from the water."

    cf. John 21:11, Simon Peter went up and drew the net to land, full of large fish

    "mosheh"= 345 = reversed "hashem"= the (essential) name.

    To Moses God revealed his name at the burning bush

    bush סְּנֶֽה is another name for שִׂ֣יחַ in Genesis 2:5

    etc., etc.

    John 1:17,
    For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

    https://twitter.com/Minkmaat/status/989778752543641600
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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvius View Post
    Mist "ed" is written "alef-dalet" = "1-4" -- source of the 1:4 ratio of the two trees.
    Not true. It is written v'ed.

    You used to accuse me of "seeking" (making up things not written) if I did what you just did. So you are doing what you reject, which is complete confusion.

    Quote Originally Posted by sylvius View Post
    But of course it was written by God,
    or better dictated by God and written down by Moses
    A Christian could say exactly the same thing about the connection between 430 years and nomos (law) in Galatians 3:17.

    You appear to have a double standard, which is fundamentally irrational.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough View Post
    Not true. It is written v'ed.
    "v'" is prefixed to the word "ed"



    A Christian could say exactly the same thing about the connection between 430 years and nomos (law) in Galatians 3:17.
    The "nomos" came 430 years after the promise was made - that was a bout the giving of Torah 50 days after they had left Rameses (with gematria 430)

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    I don't see how you ever could think that Paul by mentioning the number 430 might have intended to stress the value of Greek "nomos".

    And apparently you still do

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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvius View Post
    "v'" is prefixed to the word "ed"
    That's exactly correct. But when I did the same thing, you accused me of "seeking" and "wood gathering" and used that as an excuse to reject my points. So you have a double standard. Your judgment is unrighteous. You accuse others and then do the same thing yourself.

    The really pathetic thing is that you've been doing this for years. I exposed your error many times way back in 2012 (seven years ago!) and yet you continue? Wow. Her'es a link to our previous conversation if you are interested.

    Are you familiar with the word "incorrigible"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough View Post
    How does that single coincidence prove anything?
    footnote in KBS-bible (catholic) placed by my teacher Pater Nelis, for which he was reprimanded by the bishop.

    https://twitter.com/Minkmaat/status/1163780340281991168


    footnote in NBG-bible (protestant):

    https://twitter.com/Minkmaat/status/1163781692433346562


    So that means war


    War of the four kings (the squareheads) against the five.

    First war mentioned --Mother Of All Wars

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    ha ha , there you have it:

    https://messianic-revolution.com/14-...t-one-servant/

    Alex says

    March 5, 2018 at 8:00 pm

    So many people try to find numeric meaning without knowing the truth or the history of the one, holy and apostolic Church - Orthodox Christianity.

    For us it's simple. 318 holy fathers gathered at the first Ecumenical Council in Nicea (that condemned the heresies of the time) therefore defeating the enemy (satan that works through heretics). Just as Abraam defeated the earthly enemies with 318 men.




    richoka says

    March 6, 2018 at 3:16 am

    Thanks for sharing Alex but I don't know if I can accept your theory. The Ecumenical Council in Nicea?! Isn't that the anti-semitical group that established the ridiculous "trinity" idea?

    https://books.google.nl/books?id=P2R...4%3A14&f=false

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