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    Predestination or freewill?

    There is nothing like picking the most difficult subjects, & defining them plainly, for all to see. We will start with what most people believe, & that is freewill. The definition is; "the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion." In essence that is you have something inside you, that God has no control of. Given that the only times freewill is mentioned in the bible, in the old testament, is the freewill (voluntary) offerings made in the temple. What is mentioned is those who are self-willed, in 2Pet2v11. The verse starts with "those who walk according to the flesh", which includes all humanity that have sinned, self being opposite to God. As Rom8v6 says; "For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life & peace."
    Predestination is; pro-orizo in the Greek meaning pro; before or pre, & orizo; horizon; the division of day & night. If you are in the dark, there is no horizon to see, so predestination is only applied to those in the light, God's elect, & I am not a Calvanist. 8 times predestination is in the new testament, but the essence of it, is throughout the bible.
    Rom9v23 talks of the vessels of mercy (elect), & v22,in regards to anyone else, they are the vessels of wrath. The famous Rom8v29 says God foreknew us & predestined us, like Eph1v4-5 & v11, before we were born, just like the polar opposites in Rom9v11-13, ending in God loving Jacob (Israel), & hating Esau.
    God only loves spiritual Israel, before you quote Jn3v16, you have to define what the words mean. It does not say God loved the world, that small word so means; in a particular fashion, He loved His orderly arrangement (cosmos-world). The whoever is paso; meaning 'the all', the believing all (elect), as they are the ones who believe, while most of christianity are following "the other Jesus".

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    The horizon is God's boundary!

    As already stated, predestination is pro-'orizo, the ' in Greek is the breathing sound, or 'h', so horizon is God's boundary of light, which has always been literal Israel in the OT, & spiritual Israel in the NT & up to the end of time, or the end of the 7yr tribulation, that is not far away. As His word says, Israel is the apple of God's eye.
    Although God arranged Israel & Judah be carried away by the beast, which is Babylon,Persia, Greece, & Rome, until May 14th 1948. However, God still arranged & protected the land given to Moses, Abraham etc, & despite it being Palestine for years, God gave the deeds to Abraham & the Jews & all generations after, & hence there will never be peace there, until Christ returns at the last (7th) trump.
    I believe there will be a remnant of Jews in Israel, that will become elect, although Christ did declare they were blinded to His truth & peace since Lk19v42, much like the Gentiles were in the OT. (spirits in prison). 1948 & the 6 day war in 1967, were miracles, after all the devastation that has blighted the Jews, like Masada & the holocaust, so God has kept to His Word. He did say that He would cause Israel to come under the sword, famine, pestilence, over & over, if they keep worshipping baal & the ashtoreth (mythical gods), & finally God would send the beast Babylon. What followed, of course, was Daniel's 70wks of years, the 70th being the near future 7yr tribulation period, all because Israel never kept their 7th year sabbaths, where they were supposed to let the land lie fallow, & not sow or reap, which amounted to 490yrs, so God had Nebuchadnezzar carry Judah away in 586BC, so the land could lie fallow for those 70yrs, until Nehemiah could rebuild in Jerusalem.
    If any of you have read my posts regarding God's truths, & your heart or/and mind have been stirred into finding out & studying for yourselves, then maybe God has chosen you as His elect adopted son/daughter, but it's a lifelong commitment, of being saved & conformed to the likeness of Christ. Rom8v29. Please feel free to comment, rather than just read, you will not be popular going down God's narrow way, & you will have many trials & tribulations, but you have no choice, if your His, He will make you see His truth.

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    Old Covenant Israel of the Mosaic Cultus Age was only a typogical for the Real of the never ending New Covenant Messianic Age
    Brother Les

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    Everything in it's right place.

    Ever since hearing Radiohead's song; "Everything in it's right place", reminded me of God, having also everyone in their place, at the right time, carrying out the will of God, who has mercy on few, while most reap His wrath. Rom9v22-23.
    The biggest question most people have against God is, why does He allow so much suffering in the world? Because we are all sinners, who want our own way, & God allows that to happen, but only cares for His elect, who will also suffer trials & tribulations, for the faith given to them. Satan is God's servant, & like with Job was ordered by God not to end Job's life, but allowed the killing of family & livestock, so we, His elect may also suffer similarly, as we walk His narrow way.
    I have to smile at the many diverse opinions that people have, & believe to be true, no matter what, & God is up there, saying "everything & everyone in their right place, according to My Will & My Word".
    Predestination is everything to do with His elect, & He predetermines everything else, & who are we to question Him, as if we know any better, we all deserve hell, but for His mercy on the few!

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