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    Wal Thornhill knew that they had found a hot spot at the south ploe of saturn. To someone with no axe to grind, when he says that they should find both poles to be "hot", I would expect that he meant that they would find something similar at the north pole, not something covering the whole top of the planet. That is what they found, as described in the NASA paper - "The infrared data show that the shadowed north pole vortex shares much the same structure and temperature as the one at the sunny south pole.".

    They are also using vague terms to describe their findings. "The "hot spot" appears (Italics all mine) to be related to Saturn's dynamic weather systems, rather than to seasonal changes in the amount of sunlight at the pole."

    "The hot spots are the result of air moving polewards, being compressed and heated up as it descends over the poles into the depths of Saturn," said Leigh Fletcher, a planetary scientist from the University of Oxford, England, and the lead author of the Science paper. "The driving forces behind the motion, and indeed the global motion of Saturn's atmosphere, still need to be understood." Now there is something, hot material sinking instead of rising? No wonder that was followed by a comment that the behavior of saturn's atmosphere still needs to be understood.


    "Though similar, the two polar regions differ in one striking way. At the north pole, the newly discovered vortex is framed by the distinctive, long-lived and still unexplained polar hexagon. This mysterious feature encompassing the entire north pole was first spotted in the 1980s by NASA's Voyager 1 and 2 spacecraft. Cassini's infrared cameras also detected the hexagon in deep atmospheric clouds early in 2007.

    In their paper, Fletcher and his colleagues report that the bright, warm hexagon is much higher than previous studies had shown. "It extends right to the top of the troposphere," says Fletcher. "It is associated with downward motion in the troposphere, though the cause of the hexagonal structure requires further study." It is hard for this ol' caveman noggin of mine to imagine how there can be a hexagonal feature that holds its shape in length and width as it also descends through several layers of a gaseous atmosphere. Maybe their "further study could include modelling plasma behavior in a lab?

    The Electric Universe theory does not claim that using what we know about gravity will not work in designing flight paths for satellites or for calculating the orbits of planets through time. There are "domains" for each of the forces involved. They do claim that if we suddenly entered a more "electrically charged" area of the universe, what we think we know about gravity will need to be adjusted. One of the videos I linked to recently mentions a paper done by mainstream, peer reviewed, scientists, which describes star-forming regions strung out on a filament of glowing material, where the magnetic field is overpowering gravity and moving material around. If I remember correctly, I recall reading several references recently to mainstream articles where the alignment and behavior of the magnetic fields is confounding their explanation of how left-over remnants of magnetism from the "big bang" being moved around by gravity could result in the configuration of the magnetic fields they are finding. One reason I am interested in electric universe theory is because they have simple answers for things that are very complex and puzzling in a gravity-only paradigm. I would love to hear an explanation for the 13 counter-rotating bands of material circling Jupiter's north pole.

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    Market share for dark matter takes another hit (2:38 -3:46) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxc_1P9A-IA

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    Another good chunk of info.... This video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tyKNHfXzZQ mentions several things that are very interesting, but the section from 2:17 - 3:25 has a lot to do with the thread topic. They have found the oldest star in the galaxy, but it is still in main sequence and not even close to dying? Especially relevant is the 2:55 - 3:25 section on twisting in galactic jets, which would be expected in Birkeland currents, but well nigh impossible in a kinetic/gravitational paradigm.

    p.s. My apologies for forgetting to put the link in the post this morning. I had to work late yesterday and hadn't yet had my coffee upon rising.
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    Alfven Now Gets To Chuckle Along With Birkeland

    This video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HvXhwrlOGI describes another big step forward for "electric universe" principles and further research, and more challenges for the mainstream. Professor Egedal makes the same claims that Hans Alfven did. The energy attributed to "magnetic re-connection is not stored in magnetic fields and released when they break and re-connect, the magnetic fields are created by electric current and when current flow is interrupted, the energy from the entire circuit dumps into the break.

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    This video by the T-Bolts folks - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5Aft6JA86Y is the 7th in their "Top 10 Reasons The Universe is Electric". It contains some overlap with things in videos I posted here before, but much that hasn't, including some predictions made by Wal Thornhill about Saturn's moon Io, prior to the arrival of the Galileo probe (8:42 - 11:11). He nailed it. Then the "filamentary jets" on Enceladus that are so hard for standard theory to explain are discussed. (11:12 -13:30) From the 14:55 to 22:00 mark, several areas of discovery about the planet Saturn are discussed, including information which even mainstream scientists say shows that Saturn's rings are much younger than previously thought, an. From 22:00 to the end of the video, the "tossed salad" nature of our solar system is compared to other star/exoplanet systems, the vast majority of which are far more uniform than our own. When you start putting all of this stuff together, the various scenarios put forward by "electric universe" proponents don't look so far fetched.

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    There's Gauntlets Flying Left and Right

    Dark Matter, Quantum Physics, and Quasar/Black Hole behavior theories all get smacked today. More details here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj2CRxo1VHk

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    The 3:09 - 7:43 section of this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO79mMx6Ieg discusses evidence that the "icy dust grains" coming up from Enceladus, one of Saturn's moons, are not being pushed into space by cryo-volcanoes, but rather are being pulled from the surface by an electric current, in a process similar to "electric discharge machining" that is used in manufacturing. Also mentioned is one factor that is a big obstacle for any scientist looking for evidence of "an electric universe". Electric currents can be "hidden" by the things they pick up and carry along with them. Scientists have been able to use the Cassini probe to measure ion levels and magnetism in Enceladus' plumes, and the data suggests that such "hidden" electric currents are what drives them, but there is no way at present to do the same thing for structures found on a galactic scale.

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    The Thunderbolts Project just released this video of Dr. Donald Scott talking about a new paper he has written which is scheduled for release in April - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdYrgJrBFr0 . This paper is a further refinement of his earlier one on the structure of Birkeland currents, and relates the characteristics of Birkeland currents to what is known about the "galaxy rotation problem" that got dark matter invented. It should be interesting to see what comes of this.

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    Mainstream Solar System & Geology Theory Has Lots Of 'Splaining To Do

    This video about the Hypatia Stone meteorite raises a lot of questions and problems for the mainstream theories on our solar system and planetary geology - https://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/201...hs-space-news/

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    Hans Alfen and Kristian Birkeland would probably chuckle and shake their heads over the newly found interest and discoveries in cosmic plasma research. Princeton appears to be getting on the bandwagon now, though they are still talking about "magnetic re-connection" being the driving force behind energy releases instead of stating that the flow of energy is what creates the magnetic fields in the first place. In the atmosphere of space, a magnetic filed can only move or be broken if the electric current which creates it moves or is disrupted. https://www.pppl.gov/news/2018/02/pl...ts-outer-space Who knows, maybe someone will finally decide it is time to follow Hans Alfeven's advice and designate "double layers" as celestial objects. It is important that the researchers at Princeton found that disruption at one point in a current sheet can cause immediate effects at a remote location far away.

    Alfven's suggestion for naming double layers as celestial objects can be found in section "G", page 30 here - https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/c...9870005703.pdf The ending of the paper has observations about the psychological dynamics of scientific groups based on Juan Roederer's work, which explains why "outsiders", no matter how qualified in their own specialized niche of science, are not welcome to offer suggestions or solutions to someone in a different field of specialized study. Some of the stuff reminds of Iain McGilchrist's book "The Master and His Emissary" which deals with the pitfalls of giving too much control and free rein to our "left brain".

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