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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough View Post
    Even back in the day when I was a believer I wouldn't have thought that the numerical connections between Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1 were deliberately designed by the author of John because the whole structure that was completed by John 1:1 couldn't have been known when Genesis 1:1 was "designed" so I believed the only explanation was that "God did it."



    So what you you think about this link between the two verses (see here)? I used to believe this was very powerful evidence of divine design.

    Weird coincidence

    could it be that john deliberately composed it that way?

    112 is also "yabbok" יַבֹּֽק-- the name of the river where Jacob wrestled with the angel and became Israel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvius View Post
    Weird coincidence

    could it be that john deliberately composed it that way?
    It is indeed a weird coincidence, and since it expands the triangle of Genesis and two triangular numbers (153 and 666) play significant roles in the Johannine corpus, I guess a case could be made that it was done deliberately. But that depends on a host of "lucky coincidences" concerning the values of Greek and Hebrew words to make it even possible. For example, both Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1 can be written as the product of mirrored factors:

    Gen 1:1 = 2701 = 37 x 73
    John 1:1 = 3627 = 39 x 93

    So the two options that seem most likely are 1) God did it, or 2) Just another weird coincidence (which are very common in this life). But it's not impossible that it was done deliberately by a 1st century numerologist.


    Quote Originally Posted by sylvius View Post
    112 is also "yabbok" יַבֹּֽק-- the name of the river where Jacob wrestled with the angel and became Israel.
    Yeah, but that seems like a random connection, especially when compared with the primary title of God as Yahweh Elohim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvius View Post
    Yet John 1:1 says quite something else than Wisdom of Solomon 9:!

    Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος "In the beginning was the word"

    Ἐν ἀρχῇ is how LXX translates "b'reishit" - the first word of the first verse of the first book of the Hebrew bible.

    How to understand the word "b'reishit"?

    It is not to understand as "once, long ago" -

    but as word, word written with letters

    That's what John is trying to say, in my (not so humble ) opinion.

    That John was acquainted with that might be clear from John 5:5 (the 38 years of the man's sickness) and John 21:11, the 153 fishes)

    (and from the number 666 in Revelation 13:18, if it was written by the same author)

    https://twitter.com/Minkmaat/status/1130467204699443200

    If indeed John knew about the gematria 2701 (= 37 x 73, etc.) and indeed was hinting at this in John 1:1, then John 1:14 "and the word became flesh" has to be understood in a (revolutionary) other way than how mainstream Christianity understood it, viz. as "and God became man"
    I'm not sure what you are trying to say. What exactly is this "revolutionary" meaning? That a literal book "written with letters" became human flesh?
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    Maybe Alpha and omega was referencing the Old Testament, End of old convenant and beginning of new covernant/new priesthood?

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ar...cle.aspx/18656
    We now therefore know, the first letter of the Torah is the ב (?bet?) of Bereshit, the last is the ל (?Lamed?) at the end of the word Yisroel, and the middle letter is our ו (?vav?). Together, ב , ו, ל makes the Hebrew word בול Bul, which means postage stamp.

    In 1 Kings 6:38 Bul is used to represent the eighth month. 8?
    The vav is at lev 11:42. 1+1+4+2 = 8?

    The 8th letter of hebrew chet. The letter chet itself is spelled: chet, yud, tav equals 418.
    The 108th day of the year is 4/18

    About the vav at Ruth 4:18
    https://www.firefromheaven.org/image...of_the_Waw.pdf
    Now these are the generations (toldot-תולדות) of Perez: Perez fathered Hezron,So, the Hebrew word for ?generations? before the fall, introducing Adam and Eve, contained a ?waw.? After the fall, the ?waw? is missing, until we arrive to the ?generations? of Perez. With Perez, the ?waw? is restored back to its proper place.There are the only two places in the Scripture where the missing ?waw? can be found

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough View Post
    I'm not sure what you are trying to say. What exactly is this "revolutionary" meaning? That a literal book "written with letters" became human flesh?


    Flesh =Hebrew "basar" is related to "b'sorah"= (good) tidings, gospel.

    I thought because tongue = "lashon" = spoken language; pronounced word.

    The ark of Noach = "teivah" = word as written with letters

    it meausured 300x 50 x 30 cubits, as lettes "shin", "nun" and "lamed"-- which in the right order spell "lashon"

    (The ark was lifted up by the flood, etc. -with it's top it touched at highest level the 50th cubit above the earth - when it came to rest at the mountains of Ararat the waterlevels showed the name of God)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvius View Post
    Flesh =Hebrew "basar" is related to "b'sorah"= (good) tidings, gospel.

    I thought because tongue = "lashon" = spoken language; pronounced word.

    The ark of Noach = "teivah" = word as written with letters

    it meausured 300x 50 x 30 cubits, as lettes "shin", "nun" and "lamed"-- which in the right order spell "lashon"

    (The ark was lifted up by the flood, etc. -with it's top it touched at highest level the 50th cubit above the earth - when it came to rest at the mountains of Ararat the waterlevels showed the name of God)

    Isaiah 40 presented same kind of play on the words "basar"/"b'sorah"

    https://www.chabad.org/library/bible...showrashi/true

    v.6 All flesh is grass


    v.8
    The grass shall dry out, the blossom shall wilt, but the word of our God shall last forever.


    v.9
    Upon a lofty mountain ascend, O herald of Zion, raise your voice with strength, O herald of Jerusalem; raise [your voice], fear not; say to the cities of Judah, "Behold your God!"

    herald of Jerusalem מְבַשֶּׂ֖רֶת יְרֽוּשָׁלִָ֑ם, "m'vaseret yerushalayim"

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    compelling was that Genesis 8:14 shows the same gematria 2701 as Genesis 1:1

    And in the second month, on the twenty seventh day of the month, the earth was dry.


    https://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_Dat...14&getverse=Go

    Genesis 8:14 is about the 365th day after after the beginnig of the flood, which is 12 moonmonths + 10 days == the ideal Yom Kippur.

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    https://www.biblewheel.com/InnerWheels/Psalms/Intro.php
    For example, in Psalm 110.4 we read:
    The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

    Moving forward 22 chapters, we find these words in Psalm 132:

    The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.

    Searching the entire KJV for all verses containing the phrases "The Lord hath sworn" and "will not" yields exactly two verses, both cited above. This yields a Spoke 22 KeyLink within the Cycle of the Psalm.

    Mt Hermon wiki
    Mount Hermon a.k.a the mountain of oath

    Elevation 2,814 m (9,232 ft)
    Prominence 1,804 m (5,919 ft) Notice the 1804 meters

    and then in the next psalm 133

    Psa 133:3
    As the dew of Hermon that descendeth on the mountains of Zion; for there hath Jehovah commanded the blessing, life for evermore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough View Post



    Yeah, but that seems like a random connection, especially when compared with the primary title of God as Yahweh Elohim.


    Y2K / Jabbok River Experience

    (...)

    It is interesting to note, a rabbi pointed (half-seriously), that the letters "Y2K," which stand for the "Year 2000," when translated into Hebrew spell the work "Yavok":

    y = yud
    2 = bais
    k = kuf

    Does this mean anything special? Perhaps not. Then again, the Talmud tells us that everything that happens in life is a function of Divine Providence (Chullin 7b). In other words, according to Torah, there are no coincidences, though sometimes what we perceive as a "sign from Heaven," may in fact, be a test of faith. And sometimes, what we perceive as a test of faith, may be a sign from Heaven. And, sometimes, it may be both.

    The trick in life is knowing how to understand and interpret what one perceives. This is a function of knowing Torah, and the more one knows, the better his perception of reality will match G-d's-the ultimate accomplishment for a flesh-and-blood being. The deeper and more profound that knowledge of Torah is, the deeper and more profound his understanding and interpretation of reality will be.

    Who even first coined the term, "Y2K"? Personally, I don't know, but it is an interesting and unusual term, and that's what counts the most:

    "That which is from G-d is wondrous in our eyes." (Tehillim 118:23)

    (...)
    (Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Rabbi Pinchas Winston , Perceptions - Parashas Shoftim: Shudder or Blind?, http://www.torah.org)

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    But there's another triangular order that you forgot to include. You counted the number of letters in the whole verse, but then also included a triangular number based on just the last two words, so if you want to be consistent you should include the count of the number of letters in that division, which is 7 letters for the last two words and 21 = T(6) for the first five words.

    Thus, following YOUR method and YOUR choice of what we should add up, we find that the sum of the "triangular orders" of Genesis 1:1 is 2 + 6 + 7 + 36 + 37 + 73 = 161.
    I did not forget anything there, this is simply you wanting your way again. These codes are a riddle and even number 729 = Square nr 27 "Riddle". And like Sylvius has told us: It is common that we can divide triangles into other triangles.

    Nr of Letters = Tri(7)
    2 last words = Tri(37)
    TV = 2701 = Tri(73)

    And that's it, the division of Tri(73) which is 3X Tri(36 "evil") surrounding Tri(37) is there because it symbolizes Good and Evil.
    Or Good Vs Evil.

    When God "divided the light from the darkness" in Gen 1:4 he symbolically tells us that he separated Good (Angels of God) and Evil (Satan and his angels) in heaven. That is the symbolical level. And this is in verse nr 4 (first digit that can be divided).

    Then we have the riddle level where he created light in the first day because of Alpha.

    So there are several layers of information here.


    But God is clear with the 7+37+73 pattern here, that is why we also see:
    - Nr of words = 7
    - TV = 37X73
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