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    The clue of the feeding of the five and the four thousand might be in the leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod.

    Mark 8

    14 Now they had forgotten to bring bread, and they had only one loaf with them in the boat. 15 And he cautioned them, saying, “Watch out; beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod.” 16 And they began discussing with one another the fact that they had no bread. 17 And Jesus, aware of this, said to them, “Why are you discussing the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet perceive or understand? Are your hearts hardened? 18 Having eyes do you not see, and having ears do you not hear? And do you not remember? 19 When I broke the five loaves for the five thousand, how many baskets full of broken pieces did you take up?” They said to him, “Twelve.” 20 “And the seven for the four thousand, how many baskets full of broken pieces did you take up?” And they said to him, “Seven.” 21 And he said to them, “Do you not yet understand?”


    The Pharisees and Herodians being mentioned together in Mark 3:6,

    Again he entered the synagogue, and a man was there with a withered hand. 2 And they watched Jesus,[a] to see whether he would heal him on the Sabbath, so that they might accuse him. 3 And he said to the man with the withered hand, “Come here.” 4 And he said to them, “Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do harm, to save life or to kill?” But they were silent. 5 And he looked around at them with anger, grieved at their hardness of heart, and said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He stretched it out, and his hand was restored. 6 The Pharisees went out and immediately held counsel with the Herodians against him, how to execute him.


    “Stretch out your hand." Greek: Ἔκτεινον τὴν χεῖρα. -- seemingly referring to LXX Genesis 3:22, .

    καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεός ἰδοὺ Aδαμ γέγονεν ὡς εἷς ἐξ ἡμῶν τοῦ γινώσκειν καλὸν καὶ πονηρόν καὶ νῦν μήποτε ἐκτείνῃ τὴν χεῖρα καὶ λάβῃ τοῦ ξύλου τῆς ζωῆς καὶ φάγῃ καὶ ζήσεται εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα

    And the Lord God said, (A)“Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Aand now, lest he stretch out his hand and take of the tree of life and eat, and live forever

    intimating "bread" to be the fruit of the tree of life.
    Last edited by sylvius; 08-03-2014 at 10:29 PM.

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    Mark 6:41, And taking the five loaves and the two fish he looked up to heaven and said the blessing and broke the loaves and gave them to the disciples to set before the people.


    Blessing over bread:
    http://www.aish.com/sh/ht/fn/48969636.html




    So "bread" is not conceived as product of a process ( sowing - reaping - threshing - grinding - kneeding - baking ) - - but coming ready-made out of the earth.

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    The water came from the ROCK (1Cor10:4), Sylvie, and the Manna from heaven was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey. Ex16:31

    Quote from www.aish.com - "When God brought the Jewish people out of Egypt, they spent 40 years in the desert on their way to the Land of Israel. Their survival during this time was totally from the Almighty. He provided a constant source of water (from Miriam's well) and protection (Clouds of Glory and a wall of fire). And for food there was manna, a crystal-like substance that fell from the heavens each day".

    Yep, the metaphors of Jesus include Bread as well as the Tree of Life (plus Vine, Door, Lamb, Lion, Star, etc.) so I agree that 'bread' is a good description of the fruit of that tree, but 12 kinds of fruit are on the tree in Rev22:2..
    Dux allows: "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out the matter". Pr25:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by duxrow View Post
    The water came from the ROCK (1Cor10:4), Sylvie, and the Manna from heaven was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey. Ex16:31

    Quote from www.aish.com - "When God brought the Jewish people out of Egypt, they spent 40 years in the desert on their way to the Land of Israel. Their survival during this time was totally from the Almighty. He provided a constant source of water (from Miriam's well) and protection (Clouds of Glory and a wall of fire). And for food there was manna, a crystal-like substance that fell from the heavens each day".

    Yep, the metaphors of Jesus include Bread as well as the Tree of Life (plus Vine, Door, Lamb, Lion, Star, etc.) so I agree that 'bread' is a good description of the fruit of that tree, but 12 kinds of fruit are on the tree in Rev22:2..
    12 kinds of fruit like the 12 baskets of fragments?

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    Don't think so, Sylvie -- Many kinds of fruit, some over-ripe.. some NAUGHTY!

    Jer24:2 "One basket had very good figs, even like the figs that are first ripe: and the other basket had very naughty figs, which could not be eaten, they were so bad".

    Psalms 127:3 "Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward".
    Last edited by duxrow; 08-04-2014 at 07:20 AM.
    Dux allows: "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out the matter". Pr25:2

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