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    The tree that is a fruit and makes a fruit.

    In Genesis 1:11 God commanded the earth to bring forth "ets pri oseh pri", "tree that is a fruit and makes a fruit"

    In Genesis 1:12 the earth brought forth "ets oseh pri", "tree that makes a fuit" and next it says that God saw that it was good.

    Good = "tov", gematria 17.

    The "tov" of Genesis 1:12 is the 153rd word from the beginning.

    153 is triangle 17.

    If the earth had brought forth "ets pri oseh pri" instead of "ets oseh pri", then the "tov" of Genesis 1:12 would have been the 154th word from the beginning.

    And "hashishi", the last word of Genesis 1:31, would have been then the 435th word form the beginning, instead of the 434th (434 being gematria of "delet = door).

    And "b'hibaram" in Genesis 2:4, the last word of the first story of creation, would have been then the 475th word from the beginning, instead of the 474th (474 being gematria of "daat = knowledge)

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    What now is "tree that is a fruit and makes a fruit", and what is "tree that makes a fruit"?

    Have they anything to do with the trees of the second story of creation?

    That you might think that the one is "the tree of life" and the other "the tree of knowledge of good and evil"?

    I would think that "tree that is a fruit and makes a fruit" encompasses "tree that makes a fruit".

    IOW "tree that is a fruit and makes a fruit" is both "tree that is a fruit and makes a fruit" and
    "tree that makes a fruit".

    So I would say that "tree that is a fruit and makes a fruit" coincides "the tree of life".

    But what then is "the tree of knowledge"?

    This calls for wisdom!
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    Genesis 2:8-9,

    And the Lord God planted a garden in Eden from the east, and He placed there the man whom He had formed.
    And the Lord God caused to sprout from the ground every tree pleasant to see and good to eat, and the Tree of Life in the midst of the garden, and the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil.


    From the east = "mikedem"

    In the midst of the garden = "b'toch hagan"

    Question: How many trees were there, one or two?


    Genesis 2:16-17,
    And the Lord God commanded man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat. But of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat of it, for on the day that you eat thereof, you shall surely die."

    Genesis 3:2-3,
    And the woman said to the serpent, "Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat. But of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, God said, "You shall not eat of it, and you shall not touch it, lest you die.'"


    the tree that is in the midst of the garden = "haets ashet b'toch hagan".

    Question: What tree was that?

    Genesis 2:22-23,
    Now the Lord God said, "Behold man has become like one of us, having the ability of knowing good and evil, and now, lest he stretch forth his hand and take also from the Tree of Life and eat and live forever." And the Lord God sent him out of the Garden of Eden, to till the soil, whence he had been taken.

    also = "gam", which implies that they didn't eat yet from the tree of life.

    That's mighty strange, since it seems that they did live already forever, only that they lost eternal life because of eating the forbidden fruit.

    But how can you loose eternal life?

    v.24,
    And He drove the man out, and He stationed from the east of the Garden of Eden the cherubim and the blade of the revolving sword, to guard the way to the Tree of Life.


    from east of the Garden of Eden -- "mikedem l'gan Eden" - which means that Eden is now in the west. Or not?
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    The woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
    But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. Gen3:3. (Compare w what God said..)

    Many trees there I think: (peach, palm, walnut, cypress, etc.), but two (2) principal:

    1. Tree of Knowledge IN MIDST..
    2. Tree of Life (I wonder where?) Did Eve even know about it?

    3. Isa61 reveals PEOPLE are "Trees of Righteousness", but some of them are 'barking up the wrong tree' -- right?
    Dux allows: "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out the matter". Pr25:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by duxrow View Post
    1. Tree of Knowledge IN MIDST..
    2. Tree of Life (I wonder where?)

    Gematria might be the clue,

    Tree of life, "ets hachayim", counts 233
    Tree of knowledge, "ets hadaat tov vara" counts 932

    932 = 4 x 233

    It makes think of a square, of which oneness is the very centre or inside.

    Eating the forbidden fruit is taking the oneness away = placing oneself outside of it?



    It is written "b'toch hagan", in the midst of the garden

    "hagan" counts 58

    (4 x 58) + 1 = 233 , gematria of "ets hachayim".

    58 is also gematria of "chen", the favor that Noach found in the eyes of the Lord.

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    Genesis 2:17,
    But of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat of it, for on the day that you eat thereof, you shall surely die."

    on the day that you eat thereof= "b'yom achalcha mimmennu"

    cf. Genesis 2:4,
    These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, on the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven.


    on the day that the Lord God made = "b'yom asot hashem elohim"

    Rashi:
    This teaches you that they were all created on the first day (Gen. Rabbah 12:4).
    Genesis 1:5,
    And God called the light day, and the darkness He called night, and it was evening and it was morning, day one


    day one = "yom echad"

    Rashi:
    According to the sequence of the language of the chapter, it should have been written, “the first day,” as it is written regarding the other days, “second, third, fourth.” Why did Scripture write“one” ? Because the Holy One, blessed be He, was the only one in His world, for the angels were not created until the second day. [i.e., יוֹם אֶחָד is understood as ‘the day of the only One’] So is it explained in Genesis Rabbah (3:8).
    the day of the only One = "yom hayachid".

    the Holy One, blessed be He = hashem = the Tetragrammaton hidden in teh initial letters of "yom hashishi vay'chulu hashamayim" (last two words of Genesis 1:31 and first two words of Genesis 2:1 "the sixth day and they were completed the heaven (...)"

    So "yom echad" , day one, encomprises the seven days.

    By eating the forbidden fruit the oneness was broken, in "this world" and "the world to come", at least in the perspective of mankind.

    The letter "hey" of "hashishi" being extra (the other day-indications do without ) it seems that by eating the forbidden fruit this one letter became obscured, and a door became closed.

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    Tree of Degrees by Bob Smith of Foreman

    Little by little we take the land,
    Wondering how to understand.
    Babes and youth and adults too,
    Forks of life are sorting through.
    Chewing the cud of what it means,
    Swallowing knowledge like turnip greens.

    Little by little we grow and store
    How two and two add up to four.
    Digesting all the relevant fact,
    Trying to keep the train on track.
    Washing down the bread with wine,
    Brings elation every time!

    Step by step the tree is bent,
    Shaped by learning's pure cement.
    Inclined up to the higher ground,
    Washed ashore by Thinking's Sound.
    Adding branches; some with fruit,
    Settling down and taking root.

    In time a haven for views to nest,
    Little by Little comes the Rest..
    Storms have altered our physique,
    and by degrees we grow antique.
    So we who once were just a seed,
    Have now become a different breed!
    Dux allows: "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out the matter". Pr25:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by duxrow View Post
    Tree of Degrees by Bob Smith of Foreman

    Little by little we take the land,
    Wondering how to understand.
    Babes and youth and adults too,
    Forks of life are sorting through.
    Chewing the cud of what it means,
    Swallowing knowledge like turnip greens.

    Little by little we grow and store
    How two and two add up to four.
    Digesting all the relevant fact,
    Trying to keep the train on track.
    Washing down the bread with wine,
    Brings elation every time!

    Step by step the tree is bent,
    Shaped by learning's pure cement.
    Inclined up to the higher ground,
    Washed ashore by Thinking's Sound.
    Adding branches; some with fruit,
    Settling down and taking root.

    In time a haven for views to nest,
    Little by Little comes the Rest..
    Storms have altered our physique,
    and by degrees we grow antique.
    So we who once were just a seed,
    Have now become a different breed!
    We got a walnut- tree in our garden, and now is nut-season, nuts falling by thousands, uncountable like the stars of heaven.

    Walnut is Hebrew "egoz", gematria 17, like of "tov", so it's only good, or even very good = "tov m'od" (the seventh and last "tov" of Genesis 1) , by the sages read as "tov mavet"= death is good.

    The secret of the bible.

    Song of Songs 6:11, "el ginnat egoz yaradti", I went down to the nut garden

    English translators don't like "nut garden" http://biblehub.com/songs/6-11.htm

    German Nussgarten

    see:
    http://www.proz.com/kudoz/hebrew_to_...nnat_egoz.html

    I am translating an article from German into English on the Kabbala, and several titles appear, transliterated from the Hebrew and then translated into German. They were written by Joseph ben Abraham Gikatilla, and include the "Sha'are zedek" (Gates of Justice/Righteousness), the "Sha'are orah" (Gates of Light), and the "Ginnat Egoz", for which I have the German "Nussgarten", which means *nut garden*. While this sounds ok in German, it is too close to nut house in English for me to use; however, I cannot find an English equivalent for the title (it appears to be the least popular of his books).
    Latin for walnut is "glans Iovis" = the head of Jupiter's penis.

    http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dic.../english/glans

    "egoz", like "luz" (another name for nut) ends with a "zayin", of which we saw that the original meaning is penis (and not weapon)

    The kernel of the nut is edible, unlike the kernel of a prune, or of an olive.
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    Genesis 2:4 - Genesis 4:26 is like written in one breath, all the verses being connected by the consecutive "vav".


    The formation of man (Genesis 2:7) being dependend on the mist (Hebrew "ed") of v.6
    But also the planting of the garden (v.8) and the growing of the trees (v.9) are dependend on the "ed" of v.6


    Without "ed" no tree of the field can be on the earth, and no herb of the field can grow, and no rain can fall upon the earth, and no man can work the soil.(v.5)

    But also the eating of the forbidden fruit follows from the "ed" going up from the earth.
    And also the expulsion from paradise and the killing of Abel.

    "ed" is written "alef-dalet", "1-4", gematria 5, like the value of the letter "hey".

    It incorporates already the possibility, or even the necessity, of sin.
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    We also got nut-thieves:



    But on a tree so loaded full one doesn't miss one nut or two.
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