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    Quote Originally Posted by toxon View Post
    sa`iyr = an he-goat whether for good or whether for evil implications.
    sa`iyr = "hairy" or "shaggy" like Esau whom Yacob says is "hairy", (sa`iyr as opposed to se`ar, Gen. 27:11).
    sa`iyr = scapegoat twin (Esau) = let go in the deserts to/for `Aza'zel, (for a later/latter/final atonement).
    sa`iyr = devil, faun, satyr, (Leviticus 17:7, Isaiah 34:14, Daniel 8:21).

    "scapegoat" "the Lamb of God" . . .
    Leviticus 16:21-22, And Aaron shall lean both of his hands [forcefully] upon the live he goat's head and confess upon it all the willful transgressions of the children of Israel, all their rebellions, and all their unintentional sins, and he shall place them on the he goat's head, and send it off to the desert with a timely man. The he goat shall thus carry upon itself all their sins to a precipitous land, and he shall send off the he goat into the desert.

    Verb used נָשָׂא, "nasa"= to carry , bear, lift, raise; to transfer; to take; to contain, to pardon,forgive; to suffer, endure.

    cf. John 1:29,Ἴδε ὁ ἀμνὸς τοῦ θεοῦ ὁ αἴρων τὴν ἁμαρτίαν τοῦ κόσμου, "See the lamb of God that carries the sin of the world".

    Verb used αἴρω = take, take up, take away, remove, carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvius View Post
    Leviticus 16:21-22, And Aaron shall lean both of his hands [forcefully] upon the live he goat's head and confess upon it all the willful transgressions of the children of Israel, all their rebellions, and all their unintentional sins, and he shall place them on the he goat's head, and send it off to the desert with a timely man. The he goat shall thus carry upon itself all their sins to a precipitous land, and he shall send off the he goat into the desert.

    Verb used נָשָׂא, "nasa"= to carry , bear, lift, raise; to transfer; to take; to contain, to pardon,forgive; to suffer, endure.

    cf. John 1:29,Ἴδε ὁ ἀμνὸς τοῦ θεοῦ ὁ αἴρων τὴν ἁμαρτίαν τοῦ κόσμου, "See the lamb of God that carries the sin of the world".

    Verb used αἴρω = take, take up, take away, remove, carry.
    Yes, αἴρω (airo) is pretty much the equivalent of nasa' but John 1:29 is a compound statement referring also to the Pesach Lamb, (a memorial offering) because neither of the goats from VaYikra 16 are to be eaten; the one is sent away for `Aza'zel and the blood of the other is brought into the sanctuary for atonements and, thus, not to be eaten. Like the Greek "airo" HSN#5375 nasa' is "to lift up" or "to raise up" (off) in a great variety of different applications. In some places it even means to exalt.

    Original Strong's Ref. #5375
    Romanized nasa'
    Pronounced naw-saw'
    or nacah (Ps.4v6[7]) {naw-saw'}; a primitive root; to lift, in a great variety of applications, literal and figurative, absol. and rel. (as follows):
    KJV--accept, advance, arise, (able to, [armor], suffer to) bear(-er, up), bring (forth), burn, carry (away), cast, contain, desire, ease, exact, exalt (self), extol, fetch, forgive, furnish, further, give, go on, help, high, hold up, honorable (+ man), lade, lay, lift (self) up, lofty, marry, magnify, X needs, obtain, pardon, raise (up), receive, regard, respect, set (up), spare, stir up, + swear, take (away, up), X utterly, wear, yield.

    Genesis 13:10 KJV
    10. And Lot
    lifted up [HSN#5375 nasa'] his eyes, and beheld all the plain of Jordan, that it was well watered every where, before the Lord destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, even as the garden of the Lord, like the land of Egypt, as thou comest unto Zoar.

    Genesis 13:14 KJV
    14. And the Lord said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him,
    Lift up [HSN#5375 nasa'] now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:

    Numbers 24:7 KJV
    7. He shall pour the water out of his buckets, and his seed shall be in many waters, and his king shall be higher than Agag, and his kingdom shall be
    exalted [HSN#5375 nasa'].

    As for the usage of nasa' in the way you have brought up every priest did the same. What occurs is that the priest receives two goats from the congregation. The priest then "takes up" the sins of the people and places the sins upon the head of the goat chosen by lot for `Aza'zel. So yes, the priest temporarily "bears" the sins of the people but this is not permanent because he only does so in a temporal manner until the sins are placed upon the goat which is to be sent away into the desert. Once the sins of the people have been placed upon the goat it is then the goat which nasa'-bears the sins away, upon its "mortally wounded" head, into the desert. This is why it was decided that the goat should be destroyed even though such a commandment is not found anywhere in the surface text; for if that goat were to wander back into the camp with all of the sins of the people upon its mortally wounded head the results would be, theologically speaking, catastrophic. Every priest took up, lifted up-off, and bore the sins of the people:

    Numbers 18:1 KJV
    1. And the Lord said unto Aaron, Thou and thy sons and thy father's house with thee shall
    bear [HSN#5375 nasa'] the iniquity [HSN#5771 `avon] of the sanctuary: and thou and thy sons with thee shall bear [HSN#5375 nasa'] the iniquity [HSN#5771 `avon] of your priesthood.

    Leviticus 10:16-17 KJV

    16. And Moses diligently sought the goat of the sin offering, and, behold, it was burnt: and he was angry with Eleazar and Ithamar, the sons of Aaron which were left alive, saying,
    17. Wherefore have ye not eaten the sin offering in the holy place, seeing it is most holy, and God hath given it you to
    bear [HSN#5375 nasa'] the iniquity [HSN#5771 `avon] of the congregation, to make atonement for them before the Lord?

    The goat above from VaYikra 10:16-17 is NEITHER of the two goats prescribed in VaYikra 16, (and likewise there is a third goat, apart from the twice-daily tamiyd-continual offerings, in the great Yom Kippurim). Yeshua did no different from that which is commanded in Torah but the reason they accused him of blasphemy in the following circumstance below was because they knew it was only the high priest that was ordained and vested with the authority from on high to "send away" the sins of the people, and that they knew was only once in a year, at Yom Kippurim:

    Matthew 9:2 KJV
    2. And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be
    forgiven [GSN#863 aphiemi] thee.

    Original Strong's Ref. #863
    Romanized aphiemi
    Pronounced af-ee'-ay-mee
    from GSN0575 and hiemi (to send; an intensive form of eimi, to go); to send forth, in various applications (as follow):
    KJV--cry, forgive, forsake, lay aside, leave, let (alone, be, go, have), omit, put (send) away, remit, suffer, yield up.

    Understand that "aphiemi" is most often rendered "to forgive" when, in fact, the word "forgive" is not even found in the original Strong's Definition of the word. Aphiemi simply means "to send forth" in a wide variety of applications. Modern Christiandom has gone so far off the rails that they have altered the meanings of words so as to nullify Torah and enforce their new pagan religion. When a person thinks of "forgiveness" today generally his immediate impression is that of "a pardon" which is not Scriptural. The entire record of holy writ including the Brit Chadashah writings is one cohesive unit. Yeshua did no differently then the same way in which it is prescribed in VaYikra 16: he "took up" or "lifted off" the sins of the people and temporarily bore them upon himself, (as a priest after the order of Melchizedek) but those sins were not placed upon his own head as if he himself were the goat for `Aza'zel. Rather Yeshua lifted up the sins from off the people and bore the sins of the people temporarily upon his neck or shoulders, (like Ahron and his sons) but then placed the sins of the people upon the head of the alternate goat, (Bar-Abbas) to be aphiemi-sent-away into the desert-dry-arid places for `Aza'zel.

    Mattityahu 9:2-6
    2. And, behold, they brought to him a paralitic, lying on a bed: and Yeshua seeing their faith said unto the paralytic; Teknon, [child] be of good cheer; the sins of thee be aphiemi-sent-away!
    3. And, behold, certain of the Scribes thought within themselves, This is blasphemy!
    4. And Yeshua knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think you evil in your hearts?
    5. For whether is easier to say, The sins of thee be aphiemi-sent-away; or to say, Arise, and walk?
    6.
    But that you may know that the Son of man has power upon the earth to aphiemi-send-away sins, (then says he to the paralytic) Arise, take up thy bed, and go to thine house!

    The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is Shabbat: it is not lawful for you to carry your bed! He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, "Take up thy bed, and walk!" Then they asked him, What man is that which said unto thee, "Take up thy bed, and walk?" And he that was healed knew not who it was: for Yeshua had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place. But afterward Yeshua found him in the Temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee! (For when the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he traverses through the dry-arid-desert places, seeking rest and finding none: and he says to himself, I will return unto my house whence I came out!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by toxon View Post
    Yes, αἴρω (airo) is pretty much the equivalent of nasa' but John 1:29 is a compounded statement referring also the Pesach Lamb because neither of the goats from VaYikra 16 are eaten:
    John's last supper isn't a pesach-meal. John hasn't Jesus breaking bread and saying "take, this is my body"...


    John's lamb, ἀμνός, translates Hebrew "keves" (written with left punctuated "shin"), which seems to be a play with "kevesh"/ "kavash" (written with right punctuated "shin"). I am even pretty much sure of that.

    "The sin of the world" being the male not subjugating the female, i.e. the world not being in accordance with the creation-order. "Male and female he created them". And next it says (Genesis 1:28), And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it

    "and subdue it", Hebrew "v'chivshuha" -- from 'kavash"

    Rashi:
    and subdue it: The“vav” [in וְכִבְשֻׁהָ is missing, [allowing the word to be read וְכִבְשָׁה, the masculine singular imperative] to teach you that the male subdues the female that she should not be a gadabout (Gen. Rabbah 8:12), and it is also meant to teach you that the man, whose way it is to subdue, is commanded to propagate, but not the woman (Yev. Yev. 65b).
    So original sin: He didn't subdue her -- which gave the snake the opportunity to go into a dialogue with her and make her eat the forbidden fruit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvius View Post
    John's last supper isn't a pesach-meal. John hasn't Jesus breaking bread and saying "take, this is my body"...


    John's lamb, ἀμνός, translates Hebrew "keves" (written with left punctuated "shin"), which seems to be a play with "kevesh"/ "kavash" (written with right punctuated "shin"). I am even pretty much sure of that.

    "The sin of the world" being the male not subjugating the female, i.e. the world not being in accordance with the creation-order. "Male and female he created them". And next it says (Genesis 1:28), And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it

    "and subdue it", Hebrew "v'chivshuha" -- from 'kavash"

    Rashi:

    So original sin: He didn't subdue her -- which gave the snake the opportunity to go into a dialogue with her and make her eat the forbidden fruit.
    Kind of a sidetrack but know you not that "the woman" is your flesh?
    She is your helpmate and the mother of all raw-chay-life but she is deceived:

    1 Timothy 2:11-15 KJV
    11. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
    12. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
    13. For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
    14. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
    15. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.


    It is not about subjugating the opposite gender among the creation of God because there is neither male nor female in Messiah. It is rather about ancient things because you two are become one flesh and she is your wife of covenant and the wife of your youth: treat her with respect but keep her under submission, (rather than your neighbor). Therefore do not allow your flesh to speak for you in the congregation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvius View Post
    John's last supper isn't a pesach-meal. John hasn't Jesus breaking bread and saying "take, this is my body"...


    John's lamb, ἀμνός, translates Hebrew "keves" (written with left punctuated "shin"), which seems to be a play with "kevesh"/ "kavash" (written with right punctuated "shin"). I am even pretty much sure of that.

    "The sin of the world" being the male not subjugating the female, i.e. the world not being in accordance with the creation-order. "Male and female he created them". And next it says (Genesis 1:28), And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it

    "and subdue it", Hebrew "v'chivshuha" -- from 'kavash"

    Rashi:

    So original sin: He didn't subdue her -- which gave the snake the opportunity to go into a dialogue with her and make her eat the forbidden fruit.
    Hey toxin,

    Do you get it yet???

    Strong's is filled with the indoctrination of James Strong and can never be trusted as a sole source. It is not only shortsighted and slanted, but only provides root words and not neccessarily words from the actual text.

    If you must persist using Strong's, might the Timmy suggest you get and use the Woodside Bible Fellowship expanded edition, as it shall assist in alleviating many errors made probable that often result using the original Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.

    It would not hurt to use a lexicon or three to double check what you claim before spouting off like you do, too.

    Furthermore, you need a to take a primer in proper Biblical exegesis as you have shown your own variations as serioisly lacking.

    Who taught you hermeneutics. anyway???



    Sincerely,

    Timmy

    p.s. This is the reason many times you are not even responded to. With such faulty foundational misunderstandings, nothing of worth can be built upon it. The foundation must first be demolished and another should replace it before anything of value can soundly be established upon it...and remember, he who laughs first laughs last.
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    Red bold italics emphasis mine:

    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    Hey toxin,

    Do you get it yet???

    Strong's is filled with the indoctrination of James Strong and can never be trusted as a sole source. It is not only shortsighted and slanted, but only provides root words and not neccessarily words from the actual text.

    If you must persist using Strong's, might the Timmy suggest you get and use the Woodside Bible Fellowship expanded edition, as it shall assist in alleviating many errors made probable that often result using the original Strong's Exhaustive Concordance.

    It would not hurt to use a lexicon or three to double check what you claim before spouting off like you do, too.

    Furthermore, you need a to take a primer in proper Biblical exegesis as you have shown your own variations as serioisly lacking.

    Who taught you hermeneutics. anyway???




    Sincerely,

    Timmy

    p.s. This is the reason many times you are not even responded to. With such faulty foundational misunderstandings, nothing of worth can be built upon it. The foundation must first be demolished and another should replace it before anything of value can soundly be established upon it...and remember, he who laughs first laughs last.
    Yeshua the Didaskalos-Teacher taught and teaches me through his doctrine.
    You too can read his doctrine in the Gospel accounts!

    As for the rest I never said those things were not true about Strong's and how is it that you assume the right to yourself to presume that I have never used any other reference sources? You assume to much once again and have once again shown yourself to be a false accuser of the brethren. Not interested in Timmy's big top three ring circus sideshow out in the desert worshipping Yeshua Bar-Abbas while gorging on scapegoat, (two horns like a lamb but speaks like a dragon just like the Timmy). You are indeed what you eat!

    Have a nice thread Sylvius.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toxon View Post
    Yeshua the Didaskalos-Teacher taught and teaches me through his doctrine.
    You too can read his doctrine in the Gospel accounts!

    As for the rest I never said those things were not true about Strong's and how is it that you assume the right to yourself to presume that I have never used any other reference sources? You assume to much once again and have once again shown yourself to be a false accuser of the brethren. Not interested in Timmy's three ring big top circus show out in the desert worshipping Yeshua Bar-Abbas while gorging on scapegoat, (two horns like a lamb but speaks like a dragon just like the Timmy). You are indeed what you eat!

    Have a nice thread Sylvius.
    You have almost incessantly used the Strongs being proof enough (for your purposes at least), so who is falsely accusing whom?

    As for the rest, you need to get a grip of something besides your own tunnel vision...why would Yeshua contradict himself as you contradict His word, He being claimed as your instructor???

    Searching for truth in righteousness as you claim of you and your bretheren implies you have yet to experience this.


    Notoriously,

    Timmy

    p.s. Those who have memorized (the Evangelon 4) do not to look to read pages... except for reference points toward clearing others unknowing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    You have almost incessantly used the Strongs being proof enough (for your purposes at least), so who is falsely accusing whom?

    As for the rest, you need to get a grip of something besides your own tunnel vision...why would Yeshua contradict himself as you contradict His word, He being claimed as your instructor???

    Searching for truth in righteousness as you claim of you and your bretheren implies you have yet to experience this.


    Notoriously,

    Timmy

    p.s. Those who have memorized (the Evangelon 4) do not to look to read pages... except for reference points toward clearing others unknowing
    You only serve to illustrate my point yet again. Your incessant boasting of yourself and your constant attempts to tear down those with whom you disagree is nothing more than a sideshow. And now you want to brag about what you have memorized while you ignore every Scripture passage that has been posted thus far in this thread and focus on a Strong's Definition that was posted. Why is it that you never post any Scripture to back up anything you have to say? Or why is it that when you do it is a mere one or two verses buried in a ten thousand word essay full of you and your own rantings? And why should anyone even believe you have anything memorized when you never use it, (appropriately) in conversation? Perhaps it is you who needs to get a grip and come to the realization that "the Timmy" is not the only person in the world. Perhaps then you might also stop making everything personal with personal insults, innuendoes, and false accusations. You do not know me from Adam so how do you suppose you already know what resources I have at my disposal? You are nothing more than an agitator, a thread disruptor, and a distraction to those who desire to study, learn, a discuss their understandings in piety, politeness, and peace.

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    Actually Timmy while you are here perhaps you might begin establishing some of your self proclaimed wisdom by explaining the differences between "heis" and "hen" and why they are employed the way they are in certain contexts, (clue to the wise: some of the very rules you have been handed down from your teachers are your own stumbling blocks). I will open the post with a verse from the 1Timothy2 passage already referenced once in this thread:

    1 Timothy 2:5 ASV
    5. For there is
    one [GSN#1520 εἷς - "heis"] God, one [GSN#1520 εἷς - "heis"] mediator also between God and men, himself man, Christ Jesus,

    1 Timothy 2:5 Westcott-Hort
    Εἷς γὰρ θεός, εἷς καὶ μεσίτης θεοῦ καὶ ἀνθρώπων ἄνθρωπος Χριστὸς Ἰησοῦς,
    http://biblehub.com/text/1_timothy/2-5.htm

    Mark 12:29 ASV
    29. Jesus answered, The first is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God, the Lord is
    one: [GSN#1520 εἷς - "heis"]

    Mark 12:29 Westcott-Hort
    ἀπεκρίθη ὁ Ἰησοῦς ὅτι Πρώτη ἐστίν Ἄκουε, Ἰσραήλ, Κύριος ὁ θεὸς ἡμῶν κύριος
    εἷς ἐστίν,
    http://biblehub.com/text/mark/12-29.htm

    John 10:30 ASV
    30. I and the Father are
    one [GSN#1520 ἓν - "hen"].

    John 10:30 Westcott-Hort
    ἐγὼ καὶ ὁ πατὴρ
    ἕν ἐσμεν.
    http://biblehub.com/text/john/10-30.htm

    John 17:21-23 ASV
    21. that they may all be
    one; [GSN#1520 ἓν - "hen"] even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us: that the world may believe that thou didst send me.
    22. And the glory which thou hast given me I have given unto them; that they may be
    one, [GSN#1520 ἓν - "hen"] even as we are one; [GSN#1520 ἓν - "hen"]
    23. I in them, and thou in me, that they may be perfected into
    one; [GSN#1520 ἓν - "hen"] that the world may know that thou didst send me, and lovedst them, even as thou lovedst me.

    John 17:21-23 Westcott-Hort
    ἵνα πάντες
    ἓν ὦσιν, καθὼς σύ, πατήρ, ἐν ἐμοὶ κἀγὼ ἐν σοί, ἵνα καὶ αὐτοὶ ἐν ἡμῖν ὦσιν, ἵνα ὁ κόσμος πιστεύῃ ὅτι σύ με ἀπέστειλας.
    http://biblehub.com/text/john/17-21.htm
    κἀγὼ τὴν δόξαν ἣν δέδωκάς μοι δέδωκα αὐτοῖς, ἵνα ὦσιν ἓν καθὼς ἡμεῖς ἕν,
    http://biblehub.com/text/john/17-22.htm
    ἐγὼ ἐν αὐτοῖς καὶ σὺ ἐν ἐμοί, ἵνα ὦσιν τετελειωμένοι εἰς ἕν, ἵνα γινώσκῃ ὁ κόσμος ὅτι σύ με ἀπέστειλας καὶ ἠγάπησας αὐτοὺς καθὼς ἐμὲ ἠγάπησας.
    http://biblehub.com/text/john/17-23.htm

    There is 1 [heis] God and there is 1 [heis] mediator between God and men: the man Yeshua Messiah.
    Otherwise every talmid can become a mediator between God and man if we are one [hen] with Messiah.
    By watering down the meaning of heis you are watering down the authority of Messiah as the only Mediator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toxon View Post
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    Have a nice thread Sylvius.

    http://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/artic...-and-Wooly.htm
    the word for "sheep" [in Hebrew, "keves"] permutes to spell the word for "lie down" ["shachav"], indicating that it alludes to the supernal lying down. This is the mystical meaning of the verse, "…fill the world and subdue it [in Hebrew, "kivshua"]" (Gen. 1:28), and the allusion of the conquered one "who lies with her" (Deut. 22:29).

    "Keves" is spelled: kaf-beit-sin.

    "Shachav" is spelled: shin-kaf-beit.

    teaser The "lying down" here is a euphemism for marital relations, as seen from the quote at the end of the paragraph.

    The Hebrew root for the word "to subdue", "kavash", is related to the word for "sheep", "keves", because sheep are easily subdued and led. Here, however, the relation is seen in the opposite way: the sheep (yesod) is the male who "conquers" the female and "lies down" with her. Inasmuch as the Hebrew word for "world", "eretz", alludes to malchut, the phrase "fill the world and subdue it" evokes the interpretation: "fill the feminine principle [with male vital seed] in marital relations with her."

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