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    are YOU guilty or ''just an innocent bystander''

    an interesting critique from God's Kingdom ministries...............





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    I have posted many times the speeches of General Wesley Clark, who testifies in public that the plan to cause trouble in middle eastern countries was made official policy in the Pentagon in September of 2001.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oJUnG3Z6WI

    That was twelve years ago, and we have now seen the fruit of this policy. Egypt and Syria are in chaos, revolution, and civil war, with America backing the Muslim Brotherhood. We also overthrew Libya as the plan took shape.

    Worse, the American public was led to believe that these were spontaneous "protests" of people seeking "democracy," when in fact they were instigated by our own covert government agencies. And then when Russia stood its ground opposing this war-time American policy against the Syrian government, we are now talking about going to war against Syria.

    I have no doubt that America has already been supplying weapons to the Syrian rebels--if not directly, then through Qatar. Then when people are killed or displaced, the news agencies interview people who dutifully assume that the Syrian government is at fault for defending itself. These talking heads act as if America has played no role at all in fomenting these MIddle Eastern wars.

    Have they not heard General Wesley Clark? Yes, of course they have. But they choose to continue the charade and hiding the truth from the public.

    Glenn Beck is also pretty upset by this. He put together a 3:43 minute video showing the Syrian rebel leader who was proudly cutting open the chest of a dead Syrian soldier and eating his liver and heart.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfHSPLW63Gg

    This is an obvious war crime, and any government who supports such people are equally guilty. It bothers me, because our government represents us, whether we like it or not. If we do not register some kind of protest, we are all implicated by it. When divine judgment hits a nation, it is usually the people on the street who are affected. We call them "innocent people," but legally speaking, no one is innocent of crimes done in their name, unless they take steps to disavow it in some way.

    Polls show that the American people overwhelmingly reject American involvement in the Syrian crisis, not knowing that we were the prime instigators of it. If we were a "democratic" country, the US government would bow to the will of the people. But we are not. Democracy is only relevant when the people agree with the government. If not, then they claim the right to "do what is right" in spite of the people. Such men are then called "statesmen," a fancy name for someone today who refuses to represent the will of the people.
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    I agree that we should avoid getting involved in the Syrian conflict, mostly because I have no idea of the truth of what is really going on over there. I don't know if the rebels or Assad used the chemical weapons to kill civilians.

    But citing a source that cites uber-wackjob tinfoil hat wearing Glenn Beck? Give me a break! I did watch his video of the soldier cannibalizing his enemy but I have no way to know if it was staged or not.

    Truth is the first casualty of war.
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    we should be reminded that.....
    Truth and Justice, over rule every other moral

    the General made a statement that a 'coup' had taken place, with an agenda, so
    the proof of this 'agenda'' is........... if it did or didn't come to pass.
    has it come to pass?




    yes/no/maybe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RubyPeragickqlin View Post
    we should be reminded that.....
    Truth and Justice, over rule every other moral

    the General made a statement that a 'coup' had taken place, with an agenda, so
    the proof of this 'agenda'' is........... if it did or didn't come to pass.
    has it come to pass?




    yes/no/maybe?
    Which general made that comment where?

    I don't have any way to know what is really going on over there in Syria.

    As for your bold assertion - Truth and Justice, over rule every other moral - I agree completely. That is why I have concluded that the god of the Bible cannot be the true God. Anyone with the slightest intelligence can see that he violates truth and justice all over the place. His judgments are often absurd and unjust, as when he inflicted a three year famine on all Israel (causing how much suffering to his own people?) for the "sins" of the former king Saul! And then he lifted it only after they murdered some of Saul's descendents, in direct violation of the principle that the children should not suffer for their father's sins. Doh!
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    the law of sin and death, has its own reward - one of sowing and reaping, it is a law like gravity -

    So, how strange that the clay should shout back to the potter as you do.

    Who are you to tell the Potter anything, mere man? -......

    why have such a hissy fit, when you are doomed to die from your own personal sowing and reaping - infact your utter distain for the creator is frankly insanity and carnal minded mere man....like a small child having a tantrum cuz his father wont let him have what HE WANTS......well done.

    mere man, who said your opinion is even worthy to consider?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RubyPeragickqlin View Post
    the law of sin and death, has its own reward - one of sowing and reaping, it is a law like gravity -

    So, how strange that the clay should shout back to the potter as you do.

    Who are you to tell the Potter anything, mere man?
    -......

    why have such a hissy fit, when you are doomed to die from your own personal sowing and reaping - infact your utter distain for the creator is frankly insanity and carnal minded mere man....like a small child having a tantrum cuz his father wont let him have what HE WANTS......well done.

    mere man, who said your opinion is even worthy to consider?
    Don't you know who the true potter is? Evolution of course! All of life has been shaped and formed by Evolution over time, through mutation and natural selection. There is no deity in the sky who is designing, forming, and shaping life and the universe ... it's all a process of chemical reactions.

    The ability of our large human brains to use reason, has allowed us to look at the ramblings of the ancient men who wrote the Bible and see all the flaws in the deity they created. I don't understand how anyone in this modern day and age can believe that 6,000 years ago the Biblegod (who you call the potter) created the universe and formed the first man and woman out of a lump of clay ... it's absolutely unbelievable!

    The logic and reason of the scientific method allows you to be able to preach your craziness here on a forum that instantly goes to people all over the world. Why didn't god think of that in the first century, when Jesus told his disciples to preach the gospel to the whole world? He wouldn't have had to wait 2,000 years for people to invent the Internet.
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    rubbish....
    btw


    rose if you were true to yourself, why have a scripture in your signature,


    update..............

    Rose, so as a chemical reaction yourself - why DO YOU PLACE SCRIPTURES as some ''witness'' to your belief.
    if you don't belief the scriptures why have them as a personal witness to your belief.


    Rose you are such an utter FAKE = AND also UNTRUE to your own insane convictions.
    perhaps your ''chemical reactions'' need RE ARRANGING to stop your rather useless life as a chemical re action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RubyPeragickqlin View Post
    rubbish....
    btw


    rose if you were true to yourself, why have a scripture in your signature,


    update..............

    Rose, so as a chemical reaction yourself - why DO YOU PLACE SCRIPTURES as some ''witness'' to your belief.
    if you don't belief the scriptures why have them as a personal witness to your belief.


    Rose you are such an utter FAKE = AND also UNTRUE to your own insane convictions.
    perhaps your ''chemical reactions'' need RE ARRANGING to stop your rather useless life as a chemical re action.
    The Bible, as a book written by humans contains words of wisdom in it such as, "come let us reason together" ... reason is the key word that makes humans able to understand and figure out the world around us.

    Problems arise when people take a fallible book and believe it is the infallible word of god. Scriptures contain many truths that can be discerned by using reason, after all it was written by humans who had brains like we do.

    Sorry, your insults are a reflection of your nature instead of mine. All my chemical reactions are in harmony with each other, so I don't consider myself a horrible sinner who needs a god to save me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose View Post
    The Bible, as a book written by humans contains words of wisdom in it such as, "come let us reason together" ... reason is the key word that makes humans able to understand and figure out the world around us.

    Problems arise when people take a fallible book and believe it is the infallible word of god. Scriptures contain many truths that can be discerned by using reason, after all it was written by humans who had brains like we do.

    Sorry, your insults are a reflection of your nature instead of mine. All my chemical reactions are in harmony with each other, so I don't consider myself a horrible sinner who needs a god to save me.
    well Rose, no one can ever INSULT a ''chemical reaction'' so now rather than being A ''chemical reaction'' suddenly you have become A ''human'' and able to be insulted. you seem to have an identity crisis
    is it hormonal?
    and I do hope its not catching.

    BTW
    INSULTS are only in the eye of the beholder, infact I was telling you the truth - you are a fake plus insulting to the Holy Spirit. I do admit, I am not one to let others INSULT the works of the cross, the redeemer, nor of His holy spirit without an objection.

    I now register my OBJECTION

    ALSO Your reply cannot hold water, why? there are 2 witnesses against you.............
    Not only do you now inform us that the bible is a book of wisdom humans can understand, i,e. ''let us reason together'' so why QUOTE your other signature scripture when all you want to prove is the bible is rubbish, God's word is of No account and you know everything about it all anyways,

    its obvious in your eyes'' its a ROSE WORLD, where only Roses opinion counts''........ so goodbye Mrs chemical reaction, but almost human Rose, and good luck with the Potter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RubyPeragickqlin View Post
    well Rose, no one can ever INSULT a ''chemical reaction'' so now rather than being A ''chemical reaction'' suddenly you have become A ''human'' and able to be insulted. you seem to have an identity crisis
    is it hormonal?
    and I do hope its not catching.
    Well Ruby, if you didn't know - humans are just a complex set of chemical reactions. Our human existence starts with an egg cell that is smaller than the point of a pin, then through a complex series of chemical reactions that starts when the sperm fertilizes the egg a human embryo begins. Nothing else is going on in that human egg cell but chemical reactions, just like every other organisms egg cell.

    Quote Originally Posted by RubyPeragickqlin View Post
    BTW
    INSULTS are only in the eye of the beholder, infact I was telling you the truth - you are a fake plus insulting to the Holy Spirit. I do admit, I am not one to let others INSULT the works of the cross, the redeemer, nor of His holy spirit without an objection.
    It's hard to insult something that does not exist.

    Quote Originally Posted by RubyPeragickqlin View Post
    I now register my OBJECTION
    ALSO Your reply cannot hold water, why? there are 2 witnesses against you.............
    Not only do you now inform us that the bible is a book of wisdom humans can understand, i,e. ''let us reason together'' so why QUOTE your other signature scripture when all you want to prove is the bible is rubbish, God's word is of No account and you know everything about it all anyways,

    its obvious in your eyes'' its a ROSE WORLD, where only Roses opinion counts''........ so goodbye Mrs chemical reaction, but almost human Rose, and good luck with the Potter.
    I never said the Bible was rubbish, what I said and want to show is that the Bible IS NOT the word of god. The Bible is a lot of things: it has great historical value, and it has wisdom about human nature ... what it does not have is truth about how the universe was formed, the evolution of life, and the god that its authors created.
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