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    Too Big Too Fail... Galaxy Outside The Big Bang Model parameters


    http://io9.com/5927315/hubble-has-spotted-an-ancient-galaxy-that-shouldnt-exist

    Hubble has spotted an ancient galaxy that shouldn't exist!
    This galaxy is so large, so fully-formed, astronomers say it shouldn't exist at all. It's called a "grand-design" spiral galaxy, and unlike most galaxies of its kind, this one is old. Like, really, really old. According to a new study conducted by researchers using NASA's Hubble Telescope, it dates back roughly 10.7-billion years — and that makes it the most ancient spiral galaxy we've ever discovered.

    "The vast majority of old galaxies look like train wrecks," said UCLA astrophysicist Alice Shapley in a press release. "Our first thought was, why is this one so different, and so beautiful?"

    Shapley is co-author of the paper describing the discovery, which is published in the latest issue of Nature. She and her colleagues had been using Hubble to investigate some of our Universe's most distant cosmic entities, but the discovery of BX442 — which is what they've dubbed the newfound galaxy — came as a huge surprise.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystykal View Post

    http://io9.com/5927315/hubble-has-spotted-an-ancient-galaxy-that-shouldnt-exist

    Hubble has spotted an ancient galaxy that shouldn't exist!
    This galaxy is so large, so fully-formed, astronomers say it shouldn't exist at all. It's called a "grand-design" spiral galaxy, and unlike most galaxies of its kind, this one is old. Like, really, really old. According to a new study conducted by researchers using NASA's Hubble Telescope, it dates back roughly 10.7-billion years — and that makes it the most ancient spiral galaxy we've ever discovered.

    "The vast majority of old galaxies look like train wrecks," said UCLA astrophysicist Alice Shapley in a press release. "Our first thought was, why is this one so different, and so beautiful?"

    Shapley is co-author of the paper describing the discovery, which is published in the latest issue of Nature. She and her colleagues had been using Hubble to investigate some of our Universe's most distant cosmic entities, but the discovery of BX442 — which is what they've dubbed the newfound galaxy — came as a huge surprise.


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    The last paragraph of that article is why some of science quoted as fact, might not be the truth of those facts. What is there in science that is a real certainty? We know gravity is a fact and other forces we know of are facts, but it is the understanding behind those forces and how they originated which is what is not known.
    In science, these are the finds that help us rework our understanding of nature, the discoveries that force us to step back from what we thought we knew, re-assess our preconceived notions, and bring forth a newer, more fully formed view of our Universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David M View Post
    The last paragraph of that article is why some of science quoted as fact, might not be the truth of those facts. What is there in science that is a real certainty? We know gravity is a fact and other forces we know of are facts, but it is the understanding behind those forces and how they originated which is what is not known.


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    Hi Dave:

    Well, it is true that scientists learn new things every day! It is the "container" they try to squeeze it into that is the problem. Already the explanation for this huge spiral galaxy is being said to have been influenced by a nearby star object... The is so far off the mark! The fact that the spiral galaxies even exist completly invalidates the the age perameters of the Big Bang Model. And now this spiral galaxy has most definitly put the final nail in the coffin of that theory. Now of course all these talking heads will attempt to save their "gospel" mythology of a model and say that there must be another explanation for this spiral galaxy to exist in the early dawn of the creation of the universe according to the big bang...

    Once again the Great Mystery Spirit has thrown down a sign which cannot be ignored.

    Namaste,

    Mystykal
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    Quote Originally Posted by David M View Post
    The last paragraph of that article is why some of science quoted as fact, might not be the truth of those facts. What is there in science that is a real certainty? We know gravity is a fact and other forces we know of are facts, but it is the understanding behind those forces and how they originated which is what is not known.
    Good morning David,

    Science is not about "certainty". It is simply the best method of acquiring knowledge.

    Your demand for "certainty" makes no sense since your have nothing like "certainty" about what the Bible even means, let alone if it is true! Science is ten thousand times more certain than any of the ten thousand conflicting opinions about the Bible that are based on nothing but words and presuppositions. Science can be tested in the real world. Is there any way to test competing interpretations of the Bible? Is there any way to even know if what the Bible says is true? Nope. That's why your constant complaint that science does not give "certainty" seems entirely inconsistent with your uncritical acceptance of the Bible.

    All the best,

    Richard
    • Skepticism is the antiseptic of the mind.
    • Remember why we debate. We have nothing to lose but the errors we hold. Who but a stubborn fool would hold to errors once they have been exposed?

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