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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough View Post
    The Bush41/43 connection with the "burning bush" appears fits the definition of "apophenia" to a T.

    But the association between Gen 2:7 and Jesus breathing on the disciples is much less of a stretch, since the story of Jesus is predicated upon Genesis.
    Theopneustos like 'God-breathed' was my thinking,
    and it was John's speaking of breathing on the disciples and telling them to RECEIVE the Holy Spirit (w/o so much as a pretty please), made me connect the 3 situations.
    You application to 2 Tim 3:16 is interesting because it suggests that the Bible could be just as fallacious as the humans who had been blown upon by Christ. Perhaps "inspiration" is meant in the sense of poets being "inspired" to express deep feelings in their own words. It was the "inspiration" that inspired them, but the words were their own expression. Have you considered this?

    No, hadn't thought of it like that, and wouldn't know how to apply it, even if it were so..
    The Bush's Biz seems to fit a 'pattern' -- Name:  final4.gif
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    Dux allows: "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out the matter". Pr25:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by duxrow View Post

    No, hadn't thought of it like that, and wouldn't know how to apply it, even if it were so..
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    Sure, it fits a "pattern" but so what? What does the pattern mean? And do you have anyway to discern between meaningful patterns vs. random patterns? That's the definition of apophenia which is defined as "the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data." It represents "the human tendency to seek patterns in random information in general (such as with gambling), paranormal phenomena, and religion."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough View Post
    Sure, it fits a "pattern" but so what? What does the pattern mean? And do you have anyway to discern between meaningful patterns vs. random patterns? That's the definition of apophenia which is defined as "the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data." It represents "the human tendency to seek patterns in random information in general (such as with gambling), paranormal phenomena, and religion."

    Well, they definitely aren't RANDOM -- they're Bible, as you well know.

    a. Seems we won't be having a 45th President. Like we used to say in the Navy: Standby to standby!
    b. After Noah's generation, the Ark was taken away.
    c. After Jesus generation, he took a seat by Father. And, the Enoch'7' and Lamech'9', led to Jacob'63' !
    d. After Moses generation, Joshua took the reins.
    e. After Jacob came Joseph in Egypt, and came Joseph 'father of Mary'. Or, if we're speaking of Pedigree, it was Judah after Jacob.
    Dux allows: "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out the matter". Pr25:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by duxrow View Post

    Well, they definitely aren't RANDOM -- they're Bible, as you well know.

    a. Seems we won't be having a 45th President. Like we used to say in the Navy: Standby to standby!
    b. After Noah's generation, the Ark was taken away.
    c. After Jesus generation, he took a seat by Father. And, the Enoch'7' and Lamech'9', led to Jacob'63' !
    d. After Moses generation, Joshua took the reins.
    e. After Jacob came Joseph in Egypt, and came Joseph 'father of Mary'. Or, if we're speaking of Pedigree, it was Judah after Jacob.
    The fact that something is in the bible does not imply it is not random. And besides, George Bush is not in the Bible!

    Where in the world did you get the idea that we won't have a 45th president? And what will you say when we do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough View Post
    The fact that something is in the bible does not imply it is not random. And besides, George Bush is not in the Bible!
    Hey! Five oughta six ain't bad, and the "Final Four" would form a pattern even if it came from Esquire. hah.
    Where in the world did you get the idea that we won't have a 45th president? And what will you say when we do?
    Didn't you notice I didn't use an absolute? Kinda looks that way just now--"seems" as though the 22 and 44 have something in common.
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    The Triple Acrostic of the Bible Wheel was what attracted me when I stumbled across this site -- I had already debated many folks who disagreed about the 66 Books, and was refreshing to find how you came at it from a different POV.
    Dux allows: "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out the matter". Pr25:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by duxrow View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RAM
    The fact that something is in the bible does not imply it is not random. And besides, George Bush is not in the Bible!
    Hey! Five oughta six ain't bad, and the "Final Four" would form a pattern even if it came from Esquire. hah.
    There is no "five out of six." I repeat, George Bush is not in the Bible. And there is nothing in any of the "patterns" that suggest that we are living in the end times. Christians have been wrong about this for 2000 years. They have always believed that their generation was the last generation. That's a 2000 year record of perfect error. Why do you choose to add your name to the list?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAM
    Where in the world did you get the idea that we won't have a 45th president? And what will you say when we do?
    Didn't you notice I didn't use an absolute? Kinda looks that way just now--"seems" as though the 22 and 44 have something in common.
    It doesn't matter if you didn't use the absolute. To suggest that the END OF THE UNITED STATES is at hand because of some vague patterns is not wise. It makes Christians look foolish. They've been making "non-absolute" suggestions like that for 2000 years. If they are always wrong about that, why should anyone believe them about anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by duxrow View Post
    The Triple Acrostic of the Bible Wheel was what attracted me when I stumbled across this site -- I had already debated many folks who disagreed about the 66 Books, and was refreshing to find how you came at it from a different POV.
    Yes, the Bible Wheel is powerful evidence. I can't refute it even though I can totally refute the traditional Christian interpretation of the Bible upon which it rests!

    Without the Bible Wheel, there is no objectively valid argument to support the 66 books. That's why I was always mystified when Christians would so vehemently oppose it.
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    Well, DUH, of course George Bush not in Bible. Neither is the G.W. who was first President of the U.S. Correct?

    Why should you care if someone makes Christians look bad? Since you aren't one of them -- or maybe you just haven't come out of the closet?

    Maybe I'm seeing things, but the pattern is not a figment of my imagination -- even when you throw out the segment of the Bush's, the 7x9=63 is worth a ton of gematria. With your background and experience, it wouldn't surprise me if you knew of others that might 'fit' the pattern.
    Sometimes I think you get a kick out of playing dumb... eh?
    Dux allows: "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out the matter". Pr25:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by duxrow View Post
    Well, DUH, of course George Bush not in Bible. Neither is the G.W. who was first President of the U.S. Correct?
    Uh ... yes, that is correct. Why do you ask?

    Quote Originally Posted by duxrow View Post
    Why should you care if someone makes Christians look bad? Since you aren't one of them -- or maybe you just haven't come out of the closet?
    I was wondering why you don't care about your own credibility. What claim does Christianity have if not a claim to truth? How can that claim stand if Christians persist in a 2000 year record of error?

    Quote Originally Posted by duxrow View Post
    Maybe I'm seeing things, but the pattern is not a figment of my imagination -- even when you throw out the segment of the Bush's, the 7x9=63 is worth a ton of gematria. With your background and experience, it wouldn't surprise me if you knew of others that might 'fit' the pattern.
    Sometimes I think you get a kick out of playing dumb... eh?
    I'm not playing dumb in any way at all. I simply have higher standards for claiming that there are "patterns" in the Bible. That's why all the evidence I gathered for the Bible Wheel still stands even though I am able to refute the traditional Christian understanding of the Bible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough View Post
    Hey there Timmy! Good to hear from you. It's been a while.

    It's good to find a bro that speaks my language.
    Ya' know what Richard?

    You are one of very few who choose to stretch this imagination and that is greatly appreciated beyond almost all other satisfactions. Thank you for your kindness and hospitality, cornering me, running me over, beating my brain up (by never out), and a whole bunch of other wonderful things of that nature. . ."as iron sharpens iron."

    Do you know why it takes three Norwegians to eat one rabbit?
    It's because two of them have to watch for cars.

    Now what that has to do with the reason peculiarily some flying seagulls die when the tip of one wing touches the water is beyond me, but mayhaps someone here can extract synchronicity from that hodge-podge.

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough
    I have not read Philip K. Dick's book VALIS but from what little I know, it sounds like a composite unity that encompasses everything. In other words, a kind of "God" though it need not be thought of in traditional ego-bound terms that we see in the theistic style religions that posit God as analogous to a "personal agent" that goes about doing things. The problem there is that our concept of personhood is based on our experience of finite beings and it doesn't make sense to me to speak of an omniscient, omnipotent, infinite person that exists independently of any "world." I think the theistic religions have projected the image of themselves and made it "god."
    I read PKD's works back in the late 90's, however, between interior redecorating this consciousness breathing heavy quantities of Salvia Divine, imbibing Tussin extract (DXM), and munching Mexicana shrooms onto finally daring to eat one whole death shrooms, his words seemed such a small thing compared to traveling beyond the "crack between the worlds." (Though it was interesting that he made the big screen through my favorite story of his, which is known by the AV entertainable as "Minority Report." More amusing was the fact that the lead role was grabbed by one of my favorite L. Ron advocates, Tom Cruise. (Wonders never cease.)) Anyway, I was also reding McKenna and Leary and Genesis P. Orridge among others of similar bent while manifesting existence in that P.I.T.(tm)--[P.oint I.n T.ime].

    Right here and now may just be the best of times to exclusively go back over his materials considering current mental conditions

    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy
    ...whether...awareness is capably perceiving...a congruent whole...or seeing...and connecting...drawing lines...or not capable..."as it is"..."it"..."is" this sychronicity.

    Without one...factor, nothing would be like it is.

    ...quantum flux delineates all is one and one is all
    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough
    Yep. That makes some sense to me, though it is rather vague.
    If you think it vague to epitomize the meaning of everything in such a way, consider the premise from which those meandorings springboarded: THERE IS A REASON FOR EVERYTHING...Vagaries of vagaries, all is vague when you get right down to it...and if anyone cannot face up to that, wellllll, in the immortal words of Davey Crocket, before heading to the Alamo, "Ya'll can go to hell, but I'm going to Texas."


    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough
    Scripture is "hardly contrary" to any fact, since it can be made to match pretty much any fact that enters the imagination of the interpreter.
    True that, as comprehensive as these brains be and it beZ. What seems more interesting to me are those special varieties of whacked out drivel in commentaries of Tanakh by some of the most astute scholars studied into that texts archaic linguistics.


    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough
    I am not confident that we can assign definite meanings to neshamah vs. ruach. They seem to be more or less synonymous.
    Though not observed here in opposition to one another, through these eyes they are less synonymous.

    My Rabbi clarified these as one flowing into another...in this manner: Neshamah produces the whirlwind (aka: ruach) and between the interaction of these two, nephesh is born and re-borne.

    Whatcha' think of all this and that?????


    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough
    I agree. We share in universal consciousness. I've been toying with the idea that the brain is like a lens that focuses the universal consciousness.
    You now having read the above response to your quote, perhaps we both are coming to greater clarity of this phenomena, the only difference being terms used and abstractions of the self-same definition? It is my current understanding that this universal consciousness is divine, as in all things come and go via Macropro...of the Infinite One all things exist and cease according to His whim, Ain Soph Aur being the ultimatum of something far above and beyond thermodynamic equilibrium...yet containing all that is and is not NTL.

    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy
    Isn't it the epitome of the human condition to dissect and compartmentalize everything we observe as usable never being fully capable of reintegratingthem associatively as they persist IRL?
    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough
    Well, that certainly is the function of the left hemisphere. The right hemisphere is quite the opposite. It presents a holistic vision of reality to consciousness. This becomes quite evident when the left is disabled by a stroke, as explained in the excellent book My Stroke of Insight where neuroscientist Jill Bolte Taylor gives a first person account of right brain consciousness.

    Here is a Ted Talk where she talks about her experience: http://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_...f_insight.html
    I knew there was something more to do (that you provided) about this synchronicity thread yet was forgotten 'til here and now. We can and will go look into this Ted Talk when this here text is zinged back your way for consideration. Maybe that might bring up further associative congruencies (aka:synchronicities) to chit chat about here.


    Anyway, how many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Tootsie Pop, Mr. Owl?




    Presently mediating as go-between
    with Morpheus and Mephistopheles
    just learning 'em how to get along.

    Syncritically us,
    (turning nouns into verbs and vice versa, while in general initiating a massacre of Queens English)

    Timmy

    p.s. Rodney King ain't never felt a beat like this:
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    Mr. McGough,

    Your provision of that TED Talk with Jill Bolte, having just watched it, is greatly appreciated. Thank you oh so much.

    The way she explains everything, though with a Buddhist slant, has helped to clarify and yet confuse many things. Just her misunderstanding of Nirvana and then calling this right brained consciousness lala land made Timmy chuckle. (The place is Shambhala and this brain state is not Nirvana...though the brain is the sixth sense the mind can use to experience both. (This is not said to slight her. Rather, it is stated to show the 21st century affectation of dis and mis information is becoming endemic.))


    I will now reveal to you and whoever else is reading why, at various intervals of textual expression from here to our beloved Acropolis, sometime what is written by Timmy seems to be incongruent or just plain "way out there."

    The actual physical happenstances of NDEs are readable on my message page, yet maybe the following might just be quite a bit more interesting.

    May 4, 1985 was the day this carcass first experienced what is medically spoken 'verbally' as "to flatline." Today i am still affected by the changes inflicted after this body was not struck down immediately, but first milled through the front passenger side of a Mercury Lynx wheel well, then flipped through the air like a heads-or-tails quarter thrown virtually horizontal, over 35 feet. It made a one point landing, the back of this skull slamming so hard against pavement, after the EMTs took this flesh to the hospital in a body brace, a dent in the road was left behind containing a drying pool of blood.
    Can we say brain damage?

    Though it was determined by the specialists there would be approximately 18 months of traction with 6 months of physical therapy towards recovery of this mangled physique, they believed the end result would consist of body mobility by wheelchair, or at best, a walker.

    While in intensive care, i was terrified by a visit from an 8+ foot tall mighty warrior who eliminated all shadows in the room through the light from his presence. I myself would have written this visitation off had it not been for the medical staff attending that ward asking what those bright and penetrating red then blue then clearer than clear lights..."that made your EKG and EEG monitors act so strange then quit working completely?"

    That happened day two in the hospital. The next day, seeing motor capacities stablizing swiftly, this body was moved from intensive care into another room in the cardiac ward. Seven days later--a total of eight days since the visitation--the attending physician released me from the hospital.

    The eleventh day after the once fatal ordeal, i walked without crutches, yet not more than the distance from bed to bathroom and back again...and the pain was excruciating even being highly dosed with narcotics (1200+mg Mepergan Fortis+Codeine).

    There was an approximate 1.75" gap of no bone on the lower left legs tibia, and the fibula remained snapped in two unable to reset.

    Four months later i was playing tennis again...and winning like never before...
    ...but about the brain recovery?

    It is nearly 30 years since that day and this brain has been monitored several times via ambulatory EEGs. The results remain the same: it is in seizure 24/7, with irregular intervals of 'normal' activity lasting no more than 5 minutes tops.
    Psyche doctors and endocrinologist have been completely distained and avoided since 2004...only for others and myself to find that i do far better without them or their scripts of MOAIs, psychotropics, sedatives, and other neurotoxins.

    YES, i have, and sometimes still do self-medicate...yet with more reason behind those efforts than any psychiatrist as been able to provide. The results have been better by far, there is far less poison ingested, and it costs less than the $575+ once paid monthly for a perpetual regimen of meds.

    Finally, the benefit of this 1985 "?tragedy?". The last Minnesota Multi-phasic Test submitted to the was in 1992...under the condition that i was allowed to see all the results after conclusions were mailed back.

    The test revealed how right brained i really am, and more notably:lacking the normal capacity to sequence events, little if any (circadian) sense of time, ability to determine distance and space addled, with thought processes geared more towards principles (oftimes expressed analogously through symbol and/or metaphor...

    And finally, the kicker: This I.Q. spiked, tested in 1992 @ 191. . .and as each year goes by, stuph lieK higher education, mensa, and everything that goes with that systematic mental grooming all increasingly seems that much more stupid to the one whose fingers type this.

    I've been told many times by several different specialists that the reason for the increased intelligence comes from the brain creating new neuropathways from scarring...but i know that is a lie or many others with brain damage would be experiencing this same process. (Though the hows and whys are irrelevant to me, i know that i know it is due to right brain predominance.

    Here is what confuses me though: the brain scarring runs from the base of the right temporal lobe all the way through the amygdala.

    Go figure that one out, 'cause i cannot.


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