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    What happend to Harold Camping's Cult Followers after his Failed Prediction?

    This is a fascinating article that follows up with what happened to the cult members who believed in Harold Camping's ridiculous prediction that the "rapture" would happen on May 21, 2011. Here's a snippet. Note that folks who get caught up in this kind of error tend to be the "analytic" sort -

    A Year After the Non-Apocalypse: Where Are They Now?
    A reporter tracks down the remnants of Harold Camping’s apocalyptic movement and finds out you don’t have to be crazy to believe something nuts.

    Quote Originally Posted by religiondispatches.org
    May 21 believers couldn’t afford to doubt either. Whenever I met one, I would ask: Is there any chance you might be wrong? Could someone have miscalculated, misunderstood a verse, botched a symbol? Just maybe?

    I asked this question of a believer in his mid-twenties. He started listening to Harold Camping’s radio show in college and immediately went out, bought a Bible, and immersed himself in it. After graduation, he took a job as an engineer at a Fortune 500 company; a job he loved and a job he quit because he thought the world was ending. He wrote the following in his resignation letter: “With less than three months to the day of Christ’s return, I desire to spend more time studying the Bible and sounding the trumpet warning of this imminent judgment.”

    He would not entertain the possibility, even hypothetically, that the date could be off. “This isn’t a prediction because a prediction has a potential for failure,” he told me.
    “Even if it’s 99.9 percent, that extra .1 percent makes it not certain. It’s like the weather. If it’s 60 percent, it may or may not rain. But in this case we’re saying 100 percent it will come. God with a consuming fire is coming to bring judgment and destroy the world.”
    I encountered this same certainty again and again. When I asked how they could be so sure, the answers were fuzzy. It wasn’t any one particular verse or chapter but rather the evidence as a whole. Some believers compared it to a puzzle. At first the pieces are spread out on a table, just shards of color, fragments of meaning. Then you assemble, piece by piece, finding a corner here, a connection there, until you begin to make out a portion of the picture, a glimpse of the scene. Finally, you only have a few pieces left and it’s obvious where they go.

    A psychologist might call this confirmation bias, that is, the tendency to accept only evidence that confirms what you already believe, to search for pieces that fit your puzzle. We’re all guilty of it at times. But that label doesn’t fully explain the willingness to suspend disbelief: Believers selectively accepted evidence that caused them to quit their jobs, alienate friends and family, and stand on street corners absorbing abuse from passers-by. There is something else going on.

    It’s been noted by scholars who study apocalyptic groups that believers tend to have analytical mindsets. They’re often good at math. I met several engineers, along with a mathematics major and two financial planners. These are people adept at identifying patterns in sets of data, and the methods they used to identify patterns in the Bible were frequently impressive, even brilliant. Finding unexpected connections between verses, what believers call comparing scripture with scripture, was a way to become known in the group. The essays they wrote explaining these links could be stunningly intricate.

    That intricacy was part of the appeal. The arguments were so complex that they were impossible to summarize and therefore very challenging to refute. As one longtime believer, an accountant, told me: “Based on everything we know, and when you look at the timelines, you look at the evidence—these aren’t the kind of things that just happen. They correlate too strongly for it not to be important.” The puzzle was too perfect. It couldn’t be wrong.
    Given the fact that serious and sincere believers can be so totally wrong when they feel so totally right should give all believers in the Bible pause. What makes your beliefs different than a Campingite? Answering that question will open the door to freedom from delusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough View Post
    This is a fascinating article that follows up with what happened to the cult members who believed in Harold Camping's ridiculous prediction that the "rapture" would happen on May 21, 2011. Here's a snippet. Note that folks who get caught up in this kind of error tend to be the "analytic" sort -

    A Year After the Non-Apocalypse: Where Are They Now?
    A reporter tracks down the remnants of Harold Camping’s apocalyptic movement and finds out you don’t have to be crazy to believe something nuts.



    Given the fact that serious and sincere believers can be so totally wrong when they feel so totally right should give all believers in the Bible pause. What makes your beliefs different than a Campingite? Answering that question will open the door to freedom from delusion.
    The cult members will still continue perhaps they have learned their lesson not to anyhow believe in the time of the end as to what Jesus said that "no one knows the day and time of His coming not even the angels except the Father who is in heaven". This is a punishment for not believing in what Jesus said. The end is yet to come and it is not possible to set a date yet ....AD 70 or whatever it is.

    God Bless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWH View Post
    The cult members will still continue perhaps they have learned their lesson not to anyhow believe in the time of the end as to what Jesus said that "no one knows the day and time of His coming not even the angels except the Father who is in heaven". This is a punishment for not believing in what Jesus said. The end is yet to come and it is not possible to set a date yet ....AD 70 or whatever it is.

    God Bless.
    Yeah, but the fact that there were thousands upon thousands of deluded Christians who believe the Bible is the inerrant and infallible Word of God disagreed with those verses only proves that the Bible is not a reliable guide. They gave over 80 MILLION dollars to the deluded Harold Camping who said he preached NOTHING but the "the whole Bible in its entirety."

    How do you know that your beliefs about the Bible are not equally wrong? You have nothing but your own interpretation with no proof.
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    They started a new brain-dead cult!

    I was studying the crazy teachings from http://www.thefirmament.org about how God supposedly encoded a false value of the diameter of the sun into the Bible and I ran into a Yahoo group being run by the followers of failed date setter and doomsday predictor, the Arch Loon Harold Camping. And imagine my surprise when I discovered that they don't believe that his prediction about the beginning of Judgement Day on May 21, 2011 was false at all. No sir! It happened right on schedule! Here is the message I accidentally encountered. It was posted just a few days ago:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raving Fundamentalist Lunatic Followers of Harold Camping
    It seems to be true as we study the bible, and for the deeper spiritual meaning, that in particular the book of Acts, we see this great connection and the spiritual similarity of the last days; the last days which began to come to pass in 33 AD and with the first pouring out of the Holy Spirit of truth then, and with the pouring out of the Holy Spirit again with the beginning of the Day of Judgment on May 21, 2011.

    It can be looked at and understood as the Holy Spirit of truth coming to judge the world with the word of God. The first pouring out of the Holy Spirit which came on May 21, 33 AD, was then the beginning of the building of the external church of the church age, which lasted for 1955 days, to the very day and ended on May 21, 1988. Then the great tribulation time started and for 23 years exactly to the very day and it then ended on May 21, 2011.

    And then on this great day of May 21, 2011, God began a second fulfilling and bringing to pass of the last days, these last days are the spiritual ones or types of the last days, where nothing is happening literally as they did during the first ones.

    This is the time when God or Christ is coming on the clouds of glory, and is pouring out His Holy Spirit of truth on his Elect people, and is gathering all of his people into His spiritual kingdom. For the kingdom of God is not yet seen or known to us outwardly but inwardly and spiritually, the kingdom of God is yet within us, and has to do with peace and joy of the Holy Spirit.

    But it may be true from the word of God, that God is also now coming and with his word and by his Holy Spirit is judging all of the unsaved people, in these days after May 21, 2011.
    God connects and therefore helps to reveal these things and events to us by the dates and times concerning them, as follows;

    1. The first Pentecost on May 21, 33 AD. This was the beginning of The New Testament Church age.
    2. On May 21, 1988, the 13,000 year of the worlds history. This was the end of the church age, and the beginning of Gods judgment which began upon the churches, and as the Holy Spirit then departed from the churches.
    3. On May 21, 2011, the 13,023 year of the worlds history. This was the beginning of the Day of Judgment.

    This is also why this day is called the Day of Judgment in 2 Peter 3:7, and ties it to the flood of Noah’s day in the previous verses.

    But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

    And we are given the same pattern of numbers, dates and times, from the bible, from the biblical calendar of history, so that we could not possibly miss the great significance of these things.

    From Creation to the year of the flood of Noah’s day we have: 6023 years. And from Creation to the year of the Day of Judgment on May 21, 2011, we have 13,023 years. And God further ties the Day of Judgment to the flood of Noah’s day to the exact day that the flood began on the 17th day of the 2nd month of the Hebrew calendar, which corresponded to May 21, 2011 of our modern Gregorian calendar.

    We are also given much additional information from the bible, with time and dates, historical events and parables and numbers, to tie in this information and assure us of the truth and reality of these spiritual things.

    The most important thing for us as Gods Elect people to grasp and to understand, that is happening now at this present time, is of this spiritual pouring out of the Holy Spirit of truth upon Gods Elect people, for the Gathering together and edifying and sanctifying of us by the Holy Spirit and through the word of God.

    We only can see this and know this spiritually, and as we walk in the Spirit and by faith. And also it is in the measure of our obedience to this, to walking in the Spirit and by faith, that we will see and understand the truth and reality of these spiritual things.

    We must know and understand that it is our obedience to the word of God and our faithfulness to it and him alone that really matters. It is not in our own belief, or our own works, and even our own understanding that can help us, or has given to us salvation.

    The coming of the Holy Spirit of truth, is for the sanctification and edification of all Gods Elect people, through the word of God; causing us to have conviction of our sin and repentance from sin, thus causing us to be tried and purified and refined. But for the unsaved, it causes them to be judged and spiritually burned up. For God and his word is a consuming fire.
    I don't know if I should or

    Fundamentalist religion destroys minds. It creates luna-freaking-tics! And now they've started a new cult that is oddly similar to the JWs who predicted that Christ would literally return in 1914 and when that failed they said it happened "spiritually" which is exactly the same thing King Freak Harold Camping said. Wow.
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    I wouldn't say it is fundamentalism per se, so much as fundaments.

    What really is so piteous about so many extremists like this is that because they do not know the reality of discipleship, following Y'shua, they talk about what they imagine and is not tangible for them, they say that this is "spiritual", proving beyond a shadow of any doubt they do not know the first thing about what actually is spiritual.

    These folks, like so many others fall victim to their own allegorization of the Bible to make them think it somehow fits their experience.

    Them calling the pentecost after the resurrection the first pentecost gave me a little chuckle...but:I really laughed when they said something about judgment having already happened and the spirit not saving anyone anymore, and right after this quote the words of Y'shua, "My words are spirit and life"...doesn't anybody notice this emblazoned contradiction.

    Now salvation is not a one time decision but a continual work of God in any who are believing and persist. Besides, more than a person having no control or making a contribution to their physical birth, a person being delivered by God has even less control and contributes less than nothing to being born again from above.

    There are many blatant contradictions to Biblical truth in their article, but it just doesn't pay to tell date setters that the last days began when Y'shua cried out, "Telestai"("paid in full" or "transaction complete"or as the AV writes it, "It is finished."), and if His spirit were to leave, everything would no longer hold together.

    They are nuts.

    They remind me of seperationists. Tell them the reason they are not experiencing any deliverance, wholeness, or preservation (aka:soteria/saving) is because they do not love Y'shua nor keep His commands...beginning with, "as you are going in the world, declare the gospel to every creature...and the very reason they are not experiencing spirit life is because of this ignorant way of ignoring His words for the sake of their number guessing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    I wouldn't say it is fundamentalism per se, so much as fundaments.

    What really is so piteous about so many extremists like this is that because they do not know the reality of discipleship, following Y'shua, they talk about what they imagine and is not tangible for them, they say that this is "spiritual", proving beyond a shadow of any doubt they do not know the first thing about what actually is spiritual.

    These folks, like so many others fall victim to their own allegorization of the Bible to make them think it somehow fits their experience.
    I'm not sure I follow, since it seems that the concept of "following Y'shua" involves all the same elements of self-deception these folks display to a greater or lesser degree. Perhaps there is a difference in extent, but it seems to be of the same essence. Perhaps a different quantity, but of the same quality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    Them calling the pentecost after the resurrection the first pentecost gave me a little chuckle...but:I really laughed when they said something about judgment having already happened and the spirit not saving anyone anymore, and right after this quote the words of Y'shua, "My words are spirit and life"...doesn't anybody notice this emblazoned contradiction.
    That didn't leap out at me because I understood them as referring to the "first Pentecost" following the crucifixion when the Holy Spirit was given. But of course, their idea that the Holy Spirit is now being "poured out" through their preaching that the Holy Spirit has been taken away is a bit problematic .... to say the least! That's the essence of their insanity. They are absolutely committed to the ludicrous and absolutely unfounded so-called "Biblical calendar of history" that was made up by their mad cult leader Harold Camping. They take it as absolute and incontrovertible. And so they declare everything it predicted happened right on schedule. Wow. Pure madness.

    But note! Their madness reveals the essential insanity of Christianity itself which began as a failed doomsday cult.

    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    Now salvation is not a one time decision but a continual work of God in any who are believing and persist.
    Believing what?

    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    Besides, more than a person having no control or making a contribution to their physical birth, a person being delivered by God has even less control and contributes less than nothing to being born again from above.
    That sounds like Calvinism. The believer is every bit as passive as the baby being delivered. There's nothing anyone can do to "get saved".

    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    There are many blatant contradictions to Biblical truth in their article, but it just doesn't pay to tell date setters that the last days began when Y'shua cried out, "Telestai"("paid in full" or "transaction complete"or as the AV writes it, "It is finished."), and if His spirit were to leave, everything would no longer hold together.

    They are nuts.
    Too true. And that's why all the various Christianities seem to me to be self-evidently irrational and irrelevant. The Bible is so ambiguous as to be meaningless. It's really nothing but a Rorschach test.

    It's great secret was revealed in the movie Circle of Iron with David Carradine, when the seeker finally fought his way through all the obstacles and found the Book of Enlightenment and opened it and saw [deleted to prevent spoiling the movie].

    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    They remind me of seperationists. Tell them the reason they are not experiencing any deliverance, wholeness, or preservation (aka:soteria/saving) is because they do not love Y'shua nor keep His commands...beginning with, "as you are going in the world, declare the gospel to every creature...and the very reason they are not experiencing spirit life is because of this ignorant way of ignoring His words for the sake of their number guessing.

    Þ.Œ.
    Now you've really put your foot in it! Are you suggesting that "true believers" actually experience [in a scientifically demonstrable way] "any deliverance, wholeness, or preservation"? You've gotta be kidding my friend! That's the oldest lie in the book! Every lying preacher speaks in unison with every deluded believer that mere "belief" will give them all they ever wanted - money, sex, power - or in the sanitized religious lingo "deliverance, wholeness, preservation". This is the "secret" of The Secretwhich was bought by rubes conditioned by religion to believe that belief was all that's needed to get everything one might want. That's the quintessential pipe dream and the essence of all religion, not to mention the essential promise of every conman that has ever helped fools fulfill the proverb concerning themselves and money.
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