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    Wondering to start believe that man has never walked on the moon


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    Anyone on this?

    I will post answers for creationism when i have the time Richard, but don't have as much time to do it. So, i will speak my belief and it is a choice, reality is based on many lies of men, and this moonlanding might be the biggest lie where many involved is guarding a national lie, therefor i believe that scientist about evolution can lie to state that their theory of evolution is true, because, if God excist, they have so much in their theories that they did'nt put in, they dont even want to put in intelligent designer, only the randomness of survival of the fittest creating mutations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roberto View Post
    Anyone on this?

    I will post answers for creationism when i have the time Richard, but don't have as much time to do it. So, i will speak my belief and it is a choice, reality is based on many lies of men, and this moonlanding might be the biggest lie where many involved is guarding a national lie, therefor i believe that scientist about evolution can lie to state that their theory of evolution is true, because, if God excist, they have so much in their theories that they did'nt put in, they dont even want to put in intelligent designer, only the randomness of survival of the fittest creating mutations.
    Your logic does not follow. First, you have no evidence that the moonlanding was faked, and even if you did, it would not support your rejection of evolutionary science. The fact that there are many liars in the world does not tell you which things you should believe or not believe. You still have to judge by the evidence. And if you choose to follow the evidence, and the history of those who produced the Bible, it is the book you cherish most that will fall first!

    I agree there are many lies and deceptions "of men" - the most prominent being the religious books like the Bible and the Quran. I find your rejection of science in favor of fantasy completely incomprehensible and unfounded. How is it possible that you accept a religious book as true and reject all the science and history that can be confirmed by evidence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough View Post
    Your logic does not follow. First, you have no evidence that the moonlanding was faked, and even if you did, it would not support your rejection of evolutionary science. The fact that there are many liars in the world does not tell you which things you should believe or not believe. You still have to judge by the evidence. And if you choose to follow the evidence, and the history of those who produced the Bible, it is the book you cherish most that will fall first!

    I agree there are many lies and deceptions "of men" - the most prominent being the religious books like the Bible and the Quran. I find your rejection of science in favor of fantasy completely incomprehensible and unfounded. How is it possible that you accept a religious book as true and reject all the science and history that can be confirmed by evidence?
    I dont have evidence, other people try to show the evidence, i just find them and chew on them. I have read my fair of forums that discuss this, and i have yet not come to conclusion that this hoax is a hoax. And it does trigger my mind that, people want to be decieved for their want for lust in this world, which is why you refuse the bible, it contradicts your lust in this world. So evolution theory where no God is needed is a lie many want to be dcieved in, and try to dishounor a creator by saying He dosen't excist.
    You can't compare quran and the bible in my eyes.
    Allthough you think the brutality in Gods name in the OT is not to be excused. Do you have anything devilish to say about Jesus?
    We base our belief in the light of Jesus which says no killings. So when we look at the OT in the light of Jesus, we try to understand more then what you accuse OT God of. I read plenty of websites that makes it understandable in the light of Jesus. For example, Jesus work was not finish in the OT, just a number of symbolism of Jesus.
    So God takes aout a people of slavery, makes it a group of people for his big healing plan. But in the time of the world such as in pyramid time you see how people worship themselves, and makes slaves to worship them. The story of Sodom and Gomorah for example show how big cities were easily fallen into lust of men. And when the exodus happened, they needed to go trough many of peoples and cities like these. The story of the 32000 surviving virgins shows the tactic needed for God to maintain the people of Israel. You have probably heard this from others that it is a good war tactic, to mix Israel with other peoples, and to be feared. If they were to be merciful and no killing at that time, other people would have run them over and spreaded them so they no longer were a group. God would have to start over again. And God showed them laws that was far better then other peoples, so people that would fall into their hands would have it better. And when you read about the people they were fighting against, it was strong big soliders, make me think how that city is polluted with no humanity, breeding solider people.

    And that is how the world now is going through again, we are breeding people, but the illuminaty is polluting us to be godless, so they can control us. For example, you think weedsmoking is not harmful, you are just going into the illuminaties trick that can easily be shown in movies nowadays how they embrace potsmoking as cool. It will kill us small people by going into other drugs because we are weak. They will become rich, not needing so much people because we are overpopulated already not having enough food for everybody or other things we need. They are in the drug-buisness and on the medicine buisness. They have one feet on the war income, and the other foot in the peace-income. They control people to go away from the truth which i believe is Jesus.

    So for another hoax that has scientific errors such as the moon hoax, is the holocaust were the jews were supposedley gassed. Here is a video of it

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh-zx...feature=fvwrel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roberto View Post
    I dont have evidence, other people try to show the evidence, i just find them and chew on them. I have read my fair of forums that discuss this, and i have yet not come to conclusion that this hoax is a hoax. And it does trigger my mind that, people want to be decieved for their want for lust in this world, which is why you refuse the bible, it contradicts your lust in this world. So evolution theory where no God is needed is a lie many want to be dcieved in, and try to dishounor a creator by saying He dosen't excist.
    Hey there Roberto,

    Your assertion that I "refuse the Bible" because I "want for lust in the world" is about as stupid as it is false. Get a grip man. I have given solid reasons for my rejection of the Bible, and you have not been able to refute a word I wrote. Your accusations make you look like .... well, I don't need to say it, do I?

    Quote Originally Posted by Roberto View Post
    You can't compare quran and the bible in my eyes.
    The Bible is clearly superior to the Quran in every way. But they have a lot in common, and I wasn't comparing the Quran with the Bible, but rather the fact that the Christian belief in the perfection of the Bible is identical to the Muslim belief in the perfection of the Quran. Both are entirely irrational and contrary to all logic and facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roberto View Post
    Allthough you think the brutality in Gods name in the OT is not to be excused. Do you have anything devilish to say about Jesus?
    I don't have anything "devilish" to say about anything except perhaps your attitude.

    As for Jesus, his morals were much higher than those of the God in the Old Testament. But he never said a word against those bad things but rather confirmed them, so that's a problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roberto View Post
    We base our belief in the light of Jesus which says no killings. So when we look at the OT in the light of Jesus, we try to understand more then what you accuse OT God of. I read plenty of websites that makes it understandable in the light of Jesus. For example, Jesus work was not finish in the OT, just a number of symbolism of Jesus.
    So God takes aout a people of slavery, makes it a group of people for his big healing plan. But in the time of the world such as in pyramid time you see how people worship themselves, and makes slaves to worship them. The story of Sodom and Gomorah for example show how big cities were easily fallen into lust of men. And when the exodus happened, they needed to go trough many of peoples and cities like these. The story of the 32000 surviving virgins shows the tactic needed for God to maintain the people of Israel. You have probably heard this from others that it is a good war tactic, to mix Israel with other peoples, and to be feared. If they were to be merciful and no killing at that time, other people would have run them over and spreaded them so they no longer were a group. God would have to start over again. And God showed them laws that was far better then other peoples, so people that would fall into their hands would have it better. And when you read about the people they were fighting against, it was strong big soliders, make me think how that city is polluted with no humanity, breeding solider people.
    I'm sorry, but your explanations don't work for me. You paint God like he couldn't do any better. That's a very low view of God.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roberto View Post
    And that is how the world now is going through again, we are breeding people, but the illuminaty is polluting us to be godless, so they can control us. For example, you think weedsmoking is not harmful, you are just going into the illuminaties trick that can easily be shown in movies nowadays how they embrace potsmoking as cool. It will kill us small people by going into other drugs because we are weak. They will become rich, not needing so much people because we are overpopulated already not having enough food for everybody or other things we need. They are in the drug-buisness and on the medicine buisness. They have one feet on the war income, and the other foot in the peace-income. They control people to go away from the truth which i believe is Jesus.
    The Illuminati is just another conspiracy theory. Talking about such things as if they were facts makes you look crazy. If you believe it, fine, but don't make a fool of yourself by talking about it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Roberto View Post
    So for another hoax that has scientific errors such as the moon hoax, is the holocaust were the jews were supposedley gassed. Here is a video of it

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh-zx...feature=fvwrel
    Oh my ... is there no madness you don't subscribe to? Think about what this does for your witness as a Christian. If you believe every crazy conspiracy from the faked moon landing, Illuminati ruling the world, evolution is false, and now Holocaust denial, why would anyone think that your believe in God and the Bible is any less insane?

    Here's some info refuting the holocaust deniers. http://www.hdot.org/en/learning/myth-fact/gaschambers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough View Post
    Hey there Roberto,

    Your assertion that I "refuse the Bible" because I "want for lust in the world" is about as stupid as it is false. Get a grip man. I have given solid reasons for my rejection of the Bible, and you have not been able to refute a word I wrote. Your accusations make you look like .... well, I don't need to say it, do I?
    It's just my small jugdemental thinking of you, don't be so offended. You don't have to answer all people here, but you do almost, like a full time job of nonsense trying to put yourself on a high horse of knowing everything. Your eyes must be really hurting looking into a computerscreen all the time because you need to answer question you yourself think is ridicoulus and silly, and why would anyone believe that answer. That how stupid you look to me

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough View Post

    The Illuminati is just another conspiracy theory. Talking about such things as if they were facts makes you look crazy. If you believe it, fine, but don't make a fool of yourself by talking about it!
    Facts in the world is for us to chew on if they can be facts for us in what we have learned. And the facts i have now seen, makes me think that the facts i was teached in school is a lie. And almost the rest of the world dont look into it, because they expect to see it in the news/tv if it is a lie. Well, i believe that the illuminati is controlling the news/tv/media so we won't see it there. We have to be searchers, and thats cool for me, i don't like to be fooled. You are a fool to me, not looking in this video about what they say about the moonlanding.
    And for that silly small website you posted against holocaust hoax is just so silly i reckon you did'nt watch the video.

    I'm feel a small sense of frightening when i post this, but i will not be put to fear of anything as long as i have God on my side. They will be sentenced in a place God prepared for evil, so in His place there will be non. Because the illuminati is doing evil and is not being sentenced for it, i believe God is going to jugde them after they are dead.

    I believe in the bible Richard, it is not ridiculous to me, and i will explain it with my knowlegde if someone asks me about it. You can't take away my faith in Jesus, except you kill my body. I'm not going around killing anyone as for other religious people do, i really don't like many christians because they have twisted the bible, and i see you as a pharisee. I hope you get faith in Jesus again so you don't have to righteouss yourself for all your wrong doings. The proud man that you are, "i think God could do better than the OT", proud on thinking you understand the scriptures which you dont. Go paint a rainbow, try to make your own peace, it will clearly show how badder you are than God in doing good.

    Here is a video of the illuminati if you have taken a break from trying to put yourself on a high horse by answering everyone on this forum showing how ridick you are. Sorry. I may be devilish, i just don't like you anymore, Jesus is more forgiving, i will search Him to be kinder in my language to you.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05R_Ehwt7FI

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    'Berto?
    Ola.

    You might want to start with the astronauts an ignore speculation. Were they just circling the earth like in the shuttle missions? Check the scientific data obtained and the physical evidence brought back. If you have a good enough telescope and the time is right, check out a flag up there. . .or a lunar module.

    As for your vehemence between your self and the words or graphics on a computer screen, isn't that the epitome of delusional?
    Do not mistake the map for the road. Personable as it may be, Richard is just the name of a computer, formally known as:
    R andom
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    M emory

    Right here, right now. . . how much of what you think has enlightened you do you know as a fact?
    What if all the videos on Youtube are actually part of this world encompassing conspiracy?

    Illuminati? There are things (if you dare play this card game) that show what's next. . .and i could tell you, but why would anyone want to just jabber about what's up?
    (Check out Agenda 21, and note that date in December = 2112 gridlock STS.)


    Most curiously, how does "Look up...watch and pray that you may be found worthy to escape...for your redeption draweth nigh"" fit into your scheme of the way you think the world should be and what we really should be doing in relation to this admonition?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    'Berto?
    Ola.

    You might want to start with the astronauts an ignore speculation. Were they just circling the earth like in the shuttle missions? Check the scientific data obtained and the physical evidence brought back. If you have a good enough telescope and the time is right, check out a flag up there. . .or a lunar module.

    As for your vehemence between your self and the words or graphics on a computer screen, isn't that the epitome of delusional?
    Do not mistake the map for the road. Personable as it may be, Richard is just the name of a computer, formally known as:
    R andom
    A ccess
    M emory

    Right here, right now. . . how much of what you think has enlightened you do you know as a fact?
    What if all the videos on Youtube are actually part of this world encompassing conspiracy?

    Illuminati? There are things (if you dare play this card game) that show what's next. . .and i could tell you, but why would anyone want to just jabber about what's up?
    (Check out Agenda 21, and note that date in December = 2112 gridlock STS.)


    Most curiously, how does "Look up...watch and pray that you may be found worthy to escape...for your redeption draweth nigh"" fit into your scheme of the way you think the world should be and what we really should be doing in relation to this admonition?


    The once compatriot of the not so late late Hymenius Beta, salvation ala mode, and a cup of tea,

    The Archetypal Theriomorph
    It was 1969 and early 70s. it was easy to decieve the world back then, the astronauts may very well never been shut up, they could have gone out of the rocket before it was launched, just as long the the world dosent see a failed moonmission. Many people could have agreed with this scam because it would be risky to tell they could'nt after a failed vietnam war. And later they are rewarded and threatned to not tell about this lie. Now they have these academic soceity with greek letter names, or sculls and bones, soceity with weird rituals to get in to the most influenced soceity, i guess they start the brainwash there before they can come into Nasa hidden agenda. Look at the bad design of the moonlander, how it failed to land on earth when it was tested, how sucessfully it landed on the moon, and that ancient craft could fly up again and hit the craft that was circling around the moon, everything calculated far away on earth, give me a break, that 1969 superhero accomplishment is unbelievable even if you have small theories of it might work, i just don't believe it. It would be a much more prouder thing to have been accomplished then the silenced astronauts after all this, that you don't hear so much about anymore. I think they want us to be unsure, it gives them power, and for the fooled, that also gives the liars power. Watch the video, don't give me fantasy thought about Richard being a RAM. He's a person like you and me, and we will all stand before God to be given the jugdement we got away with on earth, and the reward that you did'nt get on earth, God will reward.

    Sorry for not understanding your jibberish, i guess i have to learn to understand you. I hope you can learn to understand my bad english, i will try not to be too difficult. But i think you are difficult, your parables are confusing to me. I guess we don't have the same spirit whispering in our ears.
    Read and understand Jesus and NT, don't jump back to the OT without the key from NT. The NT alone will tell of a world that is to be, but untill then we live in a world we see, full of magicians of Pharao trying to copy God's work. And make us slave under that system again, the hidden agenda wants us to be walking in the desert forever, they want us to be captured in babylon, they want to be the abuser, because the abuser has more advantage then the abused. And to become an abuser you have to clean out God as a jugde of the things they can get away with. Poor people not seeing that they are really the abused.

    And for this ongoing president choice in america right now, it is just a charade, it is already chosen by the elite who is going to be the next president. It's like a bad boxing game where the looser is paid to loose. As for other people betting on the game, they think they have an affect by choosing, but the choice is manipulated by the scandals around the candidates. They don't care to be exposed to scandals, as much as the prepaid boxer dont care about being hit, he know he has to go down anyway. So much for a democratic world. So if you don't believe in Jesus, you stand alone in this abuse, but we that believe, can stand up against this showing that they can kill the body, but they can never kill our soul, which will show that they also have a soul, and who is gonna kill their soul? That is a love story that we believers have and they don't. And that is war without killing the body that nobody has the right to kill. Show them that so they can repent their evil ways.
    Last edited by Roberto; 09-26-2012 at 09:41 AM.

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    Obama learned that the moonlanding did not happen

    Thats why Obama canceled the coming moonlanding project in 2018: And his excuse was "America has already been there" ROFL

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