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    Science in the Bible

    God is the greatest scientist and His creations are all based on Science. All Science are inspired by God; Science is Creationology.

    http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/...f-of-Bible.php

    Scientific Proof of the Bible
    The Bible is estimated to have been written between 1450 B.C. and 95 A.D. This chart shows scientific facts and principles referred to in this ancient Bible, but not actually discovered by humankind until later centuries. Dead sea scrolls, historical documentation, and word of mouth all confirm the authenticity of the Bible and when it was created. Since people had no official knowledge of these scientific facts until more than a thousand years after the Bible was written, is this scientific proof that the Bible was inspired by God?


    Scientific Fact or Principle Bible reference Date of discovery by man
    Both man and woman possess the seed of life Genesis 3:15 17th Century
    There is a place void of stars in the North Job 26:7 19th Century
    Earth is held in place by invisible forces Job 26:7 1650
    Taxonomic classification of matter Genesis 1 1735
    The Earth is round Isaiah 40:22 15th Century
    Certain animals carry diseases harmful to man Leviticus 11 16th Century
    Early diagnosis of leprosy Leviticus 13 17th Century
    Quarantine for disease control Leviticus 13 17th Century
    Blood of animals carries diseases Leviticus 17 17th Century
    Blood is necessary for life Leviticus 17:11 19th Century
    Oceans have natural paths in them Psalms 8:8 1854
    Earth was in nebular form initially Genesis 1:2 1911
    Most seaworthy ship design ratio is 30:5:3 Genesis 6 1860
    Light is a particle and has mass (a photon) Job 38:19 1932
    Radio astronomy (stars give off signals) Job 38:7 1945
    Oceans contain fresh water springs Job 38:16 1920
    Snow has material value Job 38:22 1905, 1966
    Infinite number of stars exist Genesis 15:5 1940
    Dust is important to survival Isaiah 40:12 1935
    Hubert Spencer's scientific principles Genesis 1 1820
    Air has weight Job 28:25 16th Century
    Light can be split up into component colors Job 38:24 1650
    Matter is made up of invisible particles Romans 1:20 20th Century
    Plants use sunlight to manufacture food Job 8:16 1920
    Arcturus and other stars move through space Job 38:32 19th Century
    Water cycle Ecclesiastes 1:7 17th Century
    Life originated in the sea Genesis 1 19th Century
    Lightning and thunder are related Job 38:25 19th Century
    Man was the last animal created Genesis 1 15th Century



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    More science in the Bible

    Even though the Bible is not a science book but there are scientific evidence in the Bible, why is it so?:

    Note: this thread will turn RAM into a frenzy!....just like Creationism . Viewers discretion is advised.

    http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

    The Bible is not a science book, yet it is scientifically accurate. We are not aware of any scientific evidence that contradicts the Bible. We have listed statements on this page that are consistent with known scientific facts. Many of them were listed in the Bible hundreds or even thousands of years before being recorded elsewhere. Many concepts and notes on this page are adapted from ideas and statements that appear in The DEFENDER’S Study Bible.[1]

    Statements Consistent With Paleontology
    Dinosaurs are referred to in several Bible books. The book of Job describes two dinosaurs. One is described in chapter 40 starting at verse 15, and the other in chapter 41 starting at verse 1. We think you will agree that 1½ chapters about dinosaurs is a lot—since most people do not even realize that they are mentioned in the Bible. (Actually reading the Bible would help, though. ) Click this sentence to see our Dinosaurs page if you would like more information in this subject area.

    Statements Consistent With Astronomy
    The Bible frequently refers to the great number of stars in the heavens. Here are two examples.


    Genesis 22:17
    Blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies.


    Jeremiah 33:22
    “As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me.”
    Even today, scientists admit that they do not know how many stars there are. Only about 3,000 can be seen with the naked eye. We have seen estimates of 1021 stars—which is a lot of stars.[2] (The number of grains of sand on the earth’s seashores is estimated to be 1025. As scientists discover more stars, wouldn’t it be interesting to discover that these two numbers match?)

    The Bible also says that each star is unique.


    1 Corinthians 15:41
    There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.
    All stars look alike to the naked eye.* Even when seen through a telescope, they seem to be just points of light. However, analysis of their light spectra reveals that each is unique and different from all others.[1] (*Note: We understand that people can perceive some slight difference in color and apparent brightness when looking at stars with the naked eye, but we would not expect a person living in the first century A.D. to claim they differ from one another.)

    The Bible describes the precision of movement in the universe.


    Jeremiah 31:35,36
    Thus says the LORD,
    Who gives the sun for a light by day,
    The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
    Who disturbs the sea,
    And its waves roar
    (The LORD of hosts is His name):
    “If those ordinances depart
    From before Me, says the LORD,
    Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
    From being a nation before Me forever.”


    The Bible describes the suspension of the Earth in space.


    Job 26:7
    He stretches out the north over empty space;
    He hangs the earth on nothing.

    Statements Consistent With Meteorology
    The Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere.


    Ecclesiastes 1:6
    The wind goes toward the south,
    And turns around to the north;
    The wind whirls about continually,
    And comes again on its circuit.


    The Bible includes some principles of fluid dynamics.


    Job 28:25
    To establish a weight for the wind,
    And apportion the waters by measure.
    The fact that air has weight was proven scientifically only about 300 years ago. The relative weights of air and water are needed for the efficient functioning of the world’s hydrologic cycle, which in turn sustains life on the earth.[1] (If you are a physics enthusiast, please ignore our omission of the terms mass, gravity, and density from this comment.)

    Statements Consistent With Biology
    The book of Leviticus (written prior to 1400 BC) describes the value of blood.


    Leviticus 17:11
    ‘For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’
    The blood carries water and nourishment to every cell, maintains the body’s temperature, and removes the waste material of the body’s cells. The blood also carries oxygen from the lungs throughout the body. In 1616, William Harvey discovered that blood circulation is the key factor in physical life—confirming what the Bible revealed 3,000 years earlier.[1]

    The Bible describes biogenesis (the development of living organisms from other living organisms) and the stability of each kind of living organism.


    Genesis 1:11,12
    Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.


    Genesis 1:21
    So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.


    Genesis 1:25
    And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
    The phrase “according to its kind” occurs repeatedly, stressing the reproductive integrity of each kind of animal and plant. Today we know this occurs because all of these reproductive systems are programmed by their genetic codes.[1]

    The Bible describes the chemical nature of flesh.

    Genesis 2:7
    And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.


    Genesis 3:19
    In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
    Till you return to the ground,
    For out of it you were taken;
    For dust you are,
    And to dust you shall return.


    It is a proven fact that a person’s mental and spiritual health is strongly correlated with physical health.[1] The Bible revealed this to us with these statements (and others) written by King Solomon about 950 BC.


    Proverbs 12:4
    An excellent wife is the crown of her husband,
    But she who causes shame is like rottenness in his bones.


    Proverbs 14:30
    A sound heart is life to the body,
    But envy is rottenness to the bones.


    Proverbs 15:30
    The light of the eyes rejoices the heart,
    And a good report makes the bones healthy.


    Proverbs 16:24
    Pleasant words are like a honeycomb,
    Sweetness to the soul and health to the bones.


    Proverbs 17:22
    A merry heart does good, like medicine,
    But a broken spirit dries the bones.
    Statements Consistent With Anthropology
    We have cave paintings and other evidence that people inhabited caves. The Bible also describes cave men.


    Job 30:5,6
    They were driven out from among men,
    They shouted at them as at a thief.
    They had to live in the clefts of the valleys,
    In caves of the earth and the rocks.
    Note that these were not ape-men, but descendants of those who scattered from Babel. They were driven from the community by those tribes who competed successfully for the more desirable regions of the earth. Then for some reason they deteriorated mentally, physically, and spiritually.[1] (Go into a bad part of your town and you will see this concept in action today.)

    Statements Consistent With Hydrology
    The bible includes reasonably complete descriptions of the hydrologic cycle.[3]


    Psalm 135:7
    He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth;
    He makes lightning for the rain;
    He brings the wind out of His treasuries.


    Jeremiah 10:13
    When He utters His voice,
    There is a multitude of waters in the heavens:
    “And He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth.
    He makes lightning for the rain,
    He brings the wind out of His treasuries.”
    In these verses you can see several phases of the hydrologic cycle—the worldwide processes of evaporation, translation aloft by atmospheric circulation, condensation with electrical discharges, and precipitation.[1]

    Job 36:27-29
    For He draws up drops of water,
    Which distill as rain from the mist,
    Which the clouds drop down
    And pour abundantly on man.
    Indeed, can anyone understand the spreading of clouds,
    The thunder from His canopy?
    This simple verse has remarkable scientific insight. The drops of water which eventually pour down as rain first become vapor and then condense to tiny liquid water droplets in the clouds. These finally coalesce into drops large enough to overcome the updrafts that suspend them in the air.[1]

    The Bible describes the recirculation of water.


    Ecclesiastes 1:7
    All the rivers run into the sea,
    Yet the sea is not full;
    To the place from which the rivers come,
    There they return again.


    Isaiah 55:10
    For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven,
    And do not return there,
    But water the earth,
    And make it bring forth and bud,
    That it may give seed to the sower
    And bread to the eater,


    The Bible refers to the surprising amount of water that can be held as condensation in clouds.

    Job 26:8
    He binds up the water in His thick clouds,
    Yet the clouds are not broken under it.


    Job 37:11
    Also with moisture He saturates the thick clouds;
    He scatters His bright clouds.
    Hydrothermal vents[4] are described in two books of the Bible written before 1400BC—more than 3,000 years before their discovery by science.


    Genesis 7:11
    In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.


    Job 38:16
    Have you entered the springs of the sea?
    Or have you walked in search of the depths?
    We discuss the “fountains of the great deep” further in our Creation Versus Evolution page.

    Statements Consistent With Geology
    The Bible describes the Earth’s crust (along with a comment on astronomy).


    Jeremiah 31:37
    Thus says the LORD:
    “If heaven above can be measured,
    And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
    I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
    For all that they have done, says the LORD.”
    Although some scientists claim that they have now measured the size of the universe, it is interesting to note that every human attempt to drill through the earth’s crust to the plastic mantle beneath has, thus far, ended in failure.[1]

    The Bible described the shape of the earth centuries before people thought that the earth was spherical.

    Isaiah 40:22
    It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
    And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
    Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
    And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
    The word translated “circle” here is the Hebrew word chuwg which is also translated “circuit,” or “compass” (depending on the context). That is, it indicates something spherical, rounded, or arched—not something that is flat or square.

    The book of Isaiah was written sometime between 740 and 680 BC. This is at least 300 years before Aristotle suggested that the earth might be a sphere in this book On the Heavens.

    This brings up an important historical note related to this topic. Many people are aware of the conflict between Galileo and the Roman Catholic Pope, Paul V. After publishing A Dialogue on the Two Principal Systems of the World, Galileo was summoned to Rome, where he was forced to renounce his findings. (At that time, “theologians” of the Roman Catholic Church maintained that the Earth was the center of the universe, and to assert otherwise was deemed heretical.)

    We could not find any place in the Bible that claims that the Earth is flat, or that it is the center of the universe. History shows that this conflict, which took place at the time of the Inquisition, was part of a power struggle. As a result, scientific and biblical knowledge became casualties—an effect we still feel to this day.

    Statements Consistent With Physics
    The Bible suggests the presence of nuclear processes like those we associate with nuclear weaponry. This is certainly not something that could have been explained in 67 AD using known scientific principles (when Peter wrote the following verse).


    2 Peter 3:10
    But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.


    The television is a practical (if not always worthwhile ) device that uses electromagnetic waves (which transmit its video signal). The Bible contains passages that describe something like television—something that allows everyone on earth see a single event. (Note: such passages typically refer to the end of time. It may not be long before all of us learn for sure whether the Bible is true or not.)

    Matthew 24:30
    Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


    Revelation 11:9-11
    Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth. Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them.
    Things In The Bible That Science Can Not Explain
    The purpose of this page is not to explain what a great science text the Bible is, but to show that it is consistent with scientific facts. Still, the Bible mentions some things that we can not explain. Yet, if God is really God, He should have the ability to do some things we can not explain.

    In the last 100 years (and especially in the last ten) scientists discovered many proofs that confirm the Bible’s accuracy. Since these proofs support the accuracy of the text we can understand scientifically, it makes sense to trust the Bible’s text that we can not yet understand. (For example, how many people knew what hydrothermal vents were 30 years ago?) If you would like to see the proof we have for the accuracy of the Bible, click on the link below.

    How Do You Know The Bible Is True?



    God's Scientific Knowledge never cease to amaze me .
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWH View Post
    God is the greatest scientist and His creations are all based on Science. All Science are inspired by God; Science is Creationology.

    http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/...f-of-Bible.php
    Thanks for posting that list Cheow! It is a very effective way to help people see the absurdity of the claims made by people trapped in fundamentalist religions. Your list is essentially identical to those published by fundamentalist Muslims to prove that the Quran is the Word of God. The style of argumentation is identical and the conclusions are equally fallacious.

    Here is the list from http://www.miraclesofthequran.com/scientific_index.html

    THE SKIES WITH 'WOVEN' ORBITS (NEW)
    THE TSUNAMI EFFECT IN THE PROPHET MOSES (PBUH)'S
    PARTING OF THE SEA
    (NEW)
    THE SUN WILL EVENTUALLY EXPIRE (NEW)
    MODERN-DAY RADAR TECHNOLOGY (NEW)
    THE CONTRACTION MOTION THAT FACILITATES BIRTH (NEW)
    THE SOLIDITY OF THE ATOM AND ELECTRON ORBITS (NEW)
    A RED ROSE IN THE SKY: THE ROSETTE NEBULA (NEW)
    BONE LOSS IN OLD AGE
    THE HELIO-CENTRIC SYSTEM
    THE OZONE LAYER AT THE POLES AS THE SUN RISES
    HEART MASSAGETHE CLONING OF LIVING THINGS
    THE SUN WILL EXPIRE AFTER SOME TIME
    THE PULLING MOTION THAT FACILITATES BIRTH
    THE EXPANDING EARTH
    QUASARS AND THE GRAVITATIONAL LENS EFFECT
    SCIENTIFIC FACTS IN THE STORY OF THE FLOOD OF NUH
    THE EARTH’S GRAVITATIONAL FORCE
    AERODYNAMIC FORCES AND THE FLIGHT PROGRAMMED IN BIRDS
    THE MIRACLE OF FIRE AND WOOD, THAT CANNOT BE OBTAINED ARTIFICIALLY
    RADIO RECEIVERS ON MOUNTAINS
    THE WISDOM BEHIND THE PROHIBITION OF BLOOD IN THE QUR’AN
    FOSSILIZATION AND IRON CONTENT
    THE MOTHER’S WOMB WITH ITS SECURE PROTECTION
    THE SUN’S HYDROGEN AND HELIUM CONTENT
    OXIDATION IN THE BLOOD
    THE QUIVERING AND SWELLING OF THE EARTH
    THE COMING OF THE UNIVERSE INTO EXISTENCE
    THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE
    THE END OF THE UNIVERSE AND THE BIG CRUNCH

    CREATION FROM HOT SMOKE
    THE SPLITTING ASUNDER OF "THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH"
    THE CREATION OF WHAT LIES BETWEEN THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH
    THE PERFECT EQUILIBRIUM IN THE UNIVERSE
    THE FINE TUNING IN THE UNIVERSE
    THE STRUCTURAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SUN, THE MOON AND THE STARS
    ORBITS AND THE ROTATING UNIVERSE
    THE SUN'S TRAJECTORY
    THE MOON'S ORBIT
    CALCULATING THE LUNAR YEAR
    THE FORCE OF GRAVITY AND ORBITAL MOVEMENTS
    THE ROUNDNESS OF THE EARTH
    THE EARTH'S DIRECTION OF ROTATION
    THE EARTH'S GEOID SHAPE
    THE DIAMETERS OF THE EARTH AND SPACE
    THE LAYERS OF THE ATMOSPHERE
    THE PROTECTED ROOF
    THE SKY MADE A DOME
    THE RETURNING SKY
    THE LAYERS OF THE EARTH
    THE EARTH DISGORGES ITS CHARGES
    THE FUNCTION OF MOUNTAINS
    THE MOVEMENT OF MOUNTAINS
    DIFFERENT POINTS IN THE RISING AND SETTING OF THE SUN
    LAND LOSS AT THE EXTREMITIES
    THE SPLITTING EARTH
    THE MIRACLE OF IRON
    THE FORMATION OF PETROL
    THE RELATIVITY OF TIME
    CREATION IN SIX DAYS
    THE TRUTH OF DESTINY
    DUALITY IN CREATION
    SUB-ATOMIC PARTICLES
    BLACK HOLES
    PULSARS: PULSATING STARS
    THE STAR SIRIUS
    LIGHT AND DARK
    COMBUSTION WITHOUT FIRE
    THE WEIGHT OF CLOUDS
    THE PROPORTION OF RAIN
    THE FORMATION OF RAIN
    RAINS WHICH BRING A DEAD LAND BACK TO LIFE
    THE FORMATION OF HAIL, THUNDER AND LIGHTNING
    THE FECUNDATING WINDS
    THE STAGES OF WIND FORMATION
    HOW THE PROCESS OF PHOTOSYNTHESIS BEGINS IN THE MORNING
    THE SEAS NOT MINGLING WITH ONE ANOTHER
    DARKNESS IN THE SEAS AND INTERNAL WAVES
    THE REGION THAT CONTROLS OUR MOVEMENTS
    HEARTS FIND PEACE IN THE REMEMBRANCE OF ALLAH
    FORGIVENESS ACCORDING TO THE MORALS OF ISLAM AND ITS BENEFITS ON HEALTH
    HOW PRAYER ACCELERATES THE TREATMENT OF THE SICK
    STRESS AND DEPRESSION: THE RESULTS OF NOT ABIDING BY THE RELIGION
    THE BIRTH OF A HUMAN BEING
    THE CREATION OF HUMAN BEINGS FROM WATER
    CREATION FROM CLAY
    THE PROGRAMMING IN GENES
    THE MENSTRUAL PERIOD
    PREGNANCY AND BIRTH
    THE SEQUENCE IN DEVELOPMENT OF HUMAN ORGANS
    THE FORMATION OF MILK
    MIRACULOUS MIXTURE: MOTHER'S MILK
    THE IDENTITY IN THE FINGERPRINT
    THE FEMALE HONEY BEE
    THE MIRACLE OF HONEY
    THE DATE AND ITS USES AS DESCRIBED IN THE QUR'AN
    THE FIG: A FRUIT WHOSE PERFECTION HAS ONLY RECENTLY BEEN REVEALED
    FISH: A VALUABLE SOURCE OF NUTRITION
    PORK AND ITS HARMFUL EFFECTS ON HEALTH
    THE OLIVE: A HEALTH-GIVING PLANT
    CORONARY BY-PASS SURGERY
    HEALTH BENEFITS OF MOVEMENT, WASHING AND DRINKING WATER
    THE EXISTENCE OF MICROSCOPIC LIFE
    THE EXISTENCE OF ANIMAL SOCIETIES
    BIOMIMETICS: DRAWING INSPIRATION FROM THE DESIGN IN LIVING THINGS
    LOCUSTS MOVING IN SWARMS
    ANT COMMUNICATION
    THE FOOD CYCLE
    THE EARS ARE ACTIVE DURING SLEEP
    THE IMPORTANCE OF MOVEMENT IN SLEEP
    REDUCED MOVEMENT AT NIGHT
    CHEST CONTRACTION WITH INCREASING HEIGH
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    I am not presenting here evidence for or against and will let the Bible speak and we must make of it what we will.

    In my Bible the word "science" occurs twice. Maybe surprising to us that the Bible mentions the word "science" at all. The Bible does not mention science as an adversary or a satan.

    Daniel 1:4 Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.

    1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

    We have just one use of the word in the Old Testament and one use to the word in the New Testament. This proves that the Bible has nothing to fear from mentioning the word "science" and referring to it. Science is as old as man.

    In what context the is word "science" used in each of the two scriptural verses quoted?.

    It would appear that Paul is telling Timothy to expect opposition that would come in the form of false science. False science has been known to come from scientist and that has been corrected. We know some Creationists have taken claims by science and used them falsely to reject science. There are faults with some Creationists and some Scientists. In both cases, we know better and we should always be looking for the Bible to support science and vice versa.

    If science and the Bible do not agree, is that because we have not sought to find how the apparent differences can be resolved?

    The Bible does not attempt to explain science. Science is man trying to find things out; the things which I believe God made and God has told us He made them.

    The Bible does not have to give us explantions in the way science does.

    The Bible gives us simple explanations and tells us the way it appears from our perspective. We know that the earth revolves around the sun, but from the perspective of the earth, it appears that the sun revolves around the earth.

    We cannot take "appearances" to be scientific explanations.

    The Bible make reference to things which the people could observe. They did not have to know how things came about in order to believe God's message.

    Whether scientists believe in God or not, using the same facts and evidences and no assumptions (assumptioms lead to disagreement), all should come to the same conclusions. The results of true science must stand and the conclusions from those results must all be the same. Science must have a unified message in the same way as God's message is unified.

    The facts and the evidences in the Bible should lead all to conclude that the Bible is the consistent word of God. Where nine out of ten passages can be interpreted the same, the one out of ten which appears not to fit, must have an interpretation that is the same. If not, it is more likely to be the work of man. It is better to leave that one difficult verse/passage to one side until an interpretation has been found or until exposed as the work of men.


    All the best.

    David
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    Quote Originally Posted by David M View Post
    I am not presenting here evidence for or against and will let the Bible speak and we must make of it what we will.

    In my Bible the word "science" occurs twice. Maybe surprising to us that the Bible mentions the word "science" at all. The Bible does not mention science as an adversary or a satan.

    Daniel 1:4 Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.

    1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

    We have just one use of the word in the Old Testament and one use to the word in the New Testament. This proves that the Bible has nothing to fear from mentioning the word "science" and referring to it. Science is as old as man.

    In what context the is word "science" used in each of the two scriptural verses quoted?.

    It would appear that Paul is telling Timothy to expect opposition that would come in the form of false science. False science has been known to come from scientist and that has been corrected. We know some Creationists have taken claims by science and used them falsely to reject science. There are faults with some Creationists and some Scientists. In both cases, we know better and we should always be looking for the Bible to support science and vice versa.
    The Bible never mentions "science" - not once. You made a very elementary hermeneutical error when you read the modern meaning of "science" into a seventeenth century translation of the Bible. The Hebrew and Greek words used in those two verses simply mean "knowledge" and they have absolutely nothing to do with the modern concept of science which is based on the scientific method.

    Your assertion that "Science is as old as man" is false. The "scientific method" did not exist when those texts were written. It was a radical new method that began in the 17th century. You have erroneously read the modern meaning into the ancient text.

    Quote Originally Posted by David M View Post
    If science and the Bible do not agree, is that because we have not sought to find how the apparent differences can be resolved?
    No. The reason science and the Bible do not agree is because the Bible was written in a pre-scientific age by people who were utterly ignorant of science.

    Quote Originally Posted by David M View Post
    The Bible gives us simple explanations and tells us the way it appears from our perspective. We know that the earth revolves around the sun, but from the perspective of the earth, it appears that the sun revolves around the earth.

    We cannot take "appearances" to be scientific explanations.

    The Bible make reference to things which the people could observe. They did not have to know how things came about in order to believe God's message.
    That is a fine approach to resolve many of the apparent contradictions between the Bible and science. But it is doubtful that all the contradictions could be resolved that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by David M View Post
    Whether scientists believe in God or not, using the same facts and evidences and no assumptions (assumptioms lead to disagreement), all should come to the same conclusions. The results of true science must stand and the conclusions from those results must all be the same. Science must have a unified message in the same way as God's message is unified.
    God's message is not unified in any way at all. Have you ever listened to the Christian radio show called "Unbelievable"? It's very interesting, informative, and well-done. They usually have debates between Christians and non-Christians, but a few weeks ago they had a debate between Young Earth and Old Earth Creationists. It was fascinating. They all believed in a literal Adam and Eve, a literal flood, and the Bible as the inerrant Word of God. But they totally disagreed about what the Bible teaches concerning the age of the earth, the meaning of "day" in Genesis 1 and a host of other topics relating to creationism. You really should listen to it. I'd be very interested to know which side you think was closer to the truth, and what you think about their radically different interpretations of the Bible. Here's the link:




    Quote Originally Posted by David M View Post
    The facts and the evidences in the Bible should lead all to conclude that the Bible is the consistent word of God. Where nine out of ten passages can be interpreted the same, the one out of ten which appears not to fit, must have an interpretation that is the same. If not, it is more likely to be the work of man. It is better to leave that one difficult verse/passage to one side until an interpretation has been found or until exposed as the work of men.
    I have no idea why you would think there is such a strong consistency in the Bible. Consider your own interpretations. They are radically different from the interpretations of most Christians throughout history. And the people who disagree with you would say they have studied the Bible with every bit as much seriousness and carefulness as you. So there is no justification for the idea that the message is consistent at all. On the contrary, the fact that very sincere, dedicated, and devout people come to radically different conclusions on fundamental questions like the identity of Christ and the age of the earth proves your assertion false.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough View Post
    The Bible never mentions "science" - not once. You made a very elementary hermeneutical error when you read the modern meaning of "science" into a seventeenth century translation of the Bible. The Hebrew and Greek words used in those two verses simply mean "knowledge" and they have absolutely nothing to do with the modern concept of science which is based on the scientific method.

    Your assertion that "Science is as old as man" is false. The "scientific method" did not exist when those texts were written. It was a radical new method that began in the 17th century. You have erroneously read the modern meaning into the ancient text.
    Hello Richard
    I am not going to reply to your every comment to my post. I made no hermeneutical reasoning to the verses quoted. I did what you do when it suits you and simply quoted two verses in which the translators had used the word "science". I took it at face value and did not bother to find out what the orginal word could otherwise mean. I accept your explanation that it simply means "knowledge". Why you cannot take my alternative use of the meaning the of word "angels" to be human messengers and apply it to Jude, fails me. Anyway, we are both sticking with the way we have come to understand these things.

    God gave man an enquiring mind, that is what science and discovery is based on; man's inquistiveness. It has nothing to do with "scientific method" per se. One definition of science is; systematized knowledge in general.

    The fact that we have no recorded science in the early history of man does not mean that man did not experiment and learn from experimentation. Was eating the forbidden fruit an experiment? Maybe Adam and Eve conducted their first experiment by eating the Forbidden Fruit which is not a repeatable experiment, but in place of fruit you substitute "disobeying God" then the exeperiment is repeatable. The result might be the same; punishment.

    Disobeying God and receiving punishment has been a repeatable exercise ever since man was created. Maybe this is the first law of science in the Bible; You cannot disobey God and expect to get away with it.

    Why you took my simple comment about science to imply I referred to "scientific method" goes to show you are too quick to jump to your own conclusions.

    So, please stop trying to fault me on every occassion when there is no need to. Anyway, thanks for making me consider the matter some more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough View Post
    No. The reason science and the Bible do not agree is because the Bible was written in a pre-scientific age by people who were utterly ignorant of science.
    From Wikipedia

    Science (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.

    If these people who were utterly ignorant of science then how do you explain of these megalithic structures built all over the earth that have been built with such precise math and with the ability to predict cosmic events such as solstices and equinoxes with precision?

    Do you really have any idea who actually built these structures and when they were built and why it seemed so important for them to measure these cosmic events?

    Do you think today we could actually build lets say the Pyramid at Giza with all our technology of today?

    I just can not agree with your statement because it seems that these structures existed at earlier date before the Bible was written..

    Maybe you think aliens built them I am just messing you.. But really there is a mystery here along with a lot of other things. I know just as much as everyone else and that is absolutely nothing or we would not be here to trying to understand what is the meaning of life and why we are all here.... what is the purpose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by phinine View Post
    From Wikipedia

    Science (from Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.

    If these people who were utterly ignorant of science then how do you explain of these megalithic structures built all over the earth that have been built with such precise math and with the ability to predict cosmic events such as solstices and equinoxes with precision?

    Do you really have any idea who actually built these structures and when they were built and why it seemed so important for them to measure these cosmic events?

    Do you think today we could actually build lets say the Pyramid at Giza with all our technology of today?

    I just can not agree with your statement because it seems that these structures existed at earlier date before the Bible was written..

    Maybe you think aliens built them I am just messing you.. But really there is a mystery here along with a lot of other things. I know just as much as everyone else and that is absolutely nothing or we would not be here to trying to understand what is the meaning of life and why we are all here.... what is the purpose?

    Peace
    Rick
    Hey there Rick,

    That's an interesting set of questions. Do I think we could build the pyramids with modern technology? Sure, I don't see any reason why not. Do you? And I don't think it took advanced technology or knowledge back then when they were made. Levers and manpower would probably do the trick. Do you have an example of something that couldn't be done with "primitive" technology and knowledge?

    But in general, I think it's pretty obvious that the Eqyptians were just as ignorant as all the other folks about general science. They didn't have cars, TVs, computers, etc. But it looks like they did a pretty good job with what they knew. But then again - I've never studied the pyramids or "ancient technology" in any depth so maybe you know something about this that you would like to share.

    All the best,

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