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    Quote Originally Posted by Rose View Post
    A perfect example of the mentality of the Hebrews in calling down punishment on the innocent is the account in Matt. 27:25 "Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.". They seem to have no problem dumping punishment on those who are innocent,
    Good morning Rose

    I do not want to get involved in this thread discussing the topics that we have discussed elsewhere and I have answered. The point you make above is that it is the Hebrews who are doing the bidding. It is not God. Again, you have to blame the people. It is very clear the instructions God gave His people and we know from what they did, they did not follow the instructions to the letter. God gets round the problem. Nothing is to great that God cannot work round in order to bring about His purpose.

    It is clear why the Israelites had to exterminate the people around them and it is clear that the Israelites did not do as instructed and it is clear that the consequences for not doing as instructed came back to bite them. They bought the problems on themselves and God had to deal with a people who had corrupted themselves. If it were not for the promises made to Abraham, the Israelites should have been punished to the point of extermination. In fact God severely punished them later on and because they did not repent as they were given chance to and although they were scattered and should have died out as a nation, God said to them that He would not make a full end of them.

    The Israelites had to survive for God's purpose to be fulfilled in them. The Jews are God's witnesses whatever they done or do today, even if the world is blind to that fact. God's purpose is being played out everyday and God is bringing His promises to Abraham to fulfillment and this means that His Kingdom will be restored on earth in the time to come. So whatever man does consciously or not to derail God's plan, God will work round the problem. All the terrible incidents in the Bible you keep referring are because man is the cause. It is man that acts inappropriately and by rights God can execute punishment according to His law given to man. Where God does not bring the full punishment of the law to bear, it is because He is merciful and when we look for reasons why, it is because the people involved have either repented or humbled themselves and so God acts accordingly. This might be seen as God changing His mind or else we can say that God is just being fair and responding to the change as men's hearts change.

    These are the principles that are seen throughout the scripture and as I am Twospirits keep telling you, you have to blame man and not God. It is not man who has inspired these scriptures, it is God and God has given us these scriptures for the reason of teaching us about other people's mistakes and to conclude that is better to obey God and trust in Him that have any confidence in men (women included).

    Maybe you would like to give us examples where it has not been man who is at fault in the first instance and this can be the subject of another thread.

    I am now done in this thread.

    All the best.

    David

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    Quote Originally Posted by David M View Post
    Good morning Rose

    I do not want to get involved in this thread discussing the topics that we have discussed elsewhere and I have answered. The point you make above is that it is the Hebrews who are doing the bidding. It is not God. Again, you have to blame the people. It is very clear the instructions God gave His people and we know from what they did, they did not follow the instructions to the letter. God gets round the problem. Nothing is to great that God cannot work round in order to bring about His purpose.

    It is clear why the Israelites had to exterminate the people around them and it is clear that the Israelites did not do as instructed and it is clear that the consequences for not doing as instructed came back to bite them. They bought the problems on themselves and God had to deal with a people who had corrupted themselves. If it were not for the promises made to Abraham, the Israelites should have been punished to the point of extermination. In fact God severely punished them later on and because they did not repent as they were given chance to and although they were scattered and should have died out as a nation, God said to them that He would not make a full end of them.
    Hello David,

    Yes, the biblegod gives clear instructions and among those instructions is one that allows for the keeping of "beautiful women" that men desire to have from enemies they have captured!

    Deuteronomy 21:10-14 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.


    There is no getting around it, on one hand the biblegod says that they cannot take wives from surrounding nations, and on the other hand it says that men can have any woman they desire from the enemies that have captured. No wonder man is so confused about what is right or wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by David M View Post
    The Israelites had to survive for God's purpose to be fulfilled in them. The Jews are God's witnesses whatever they done or do today, even if the world is blind to that fact. God's purpose is being played out everyday and God is bringing His promises to Abraham to fulfillment and this means that His Kingdom will be restored on earth in the time to come. So whatever man does consciously or not to derail God's plan, God will work round the problem. All the terrible incidents in the Bible you keep referring are because man is the cause. It is man that acts inappropriately and by rights God can execute punishment according to His law given to man. Where God does not bring the full punishment of the law to bear, it is because He is merciful and when we look for reasons why, it is because the people involved have either repented or humbled themselves and so God acts accordingly. This might be seen as God changing His mind or else we can say that God is just being fair and responding to the change as men's hearts change.
    If the Bible is true then its god is either responsible for the plan it contains, or you either have an impotent god. The story says that god created man and placed him in a Garden, then he put a tree whose fruit they were not supposed to eat lest they die in its midst...well, if you don't want your children to eat something, DON'T PUT IT IN FRONT OF THEM!

    Okay, so god screwed up the first time and ended up killing everyone except Noah and his family, giving himself a second chance...

    And then somehow, he messed up his second chance, and the next, and the next...and the rest of the story consists of killing "sinners" over and over again...
    Quote Originally Posted by David M View Post
    These are the principles that are seen throughout the scripture and as I am Twospirits keep telling you, you have to blame man and not God. It is not man who has inspired these scriptures, it is God and God has given us these scriptures for the reason of teaching us about other people's mistakes and to conclude that is better to obey God and trust in Him that have any confidence in men (women included).

    Maybe you would like to give us examples where it has not been man who is at fault in the first instance and this can be the subject of another thread.

    I am now done in this thread.

    All the best.

    David
    If it is God who inspired Scripture why is there so many contradictions?

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