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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvius View Post
    How can a text justify its own interpretation?
    That's a very "post-modern" comment. Do you have trouble interpreting a chemistry textbook? A mathematics textbook? A story like Lord of the Rings? There seems to be no problem interpreting most books. The problem is caused by a fanatical obsessive fascination with "holy books" as magical texts that contain mysterious "secrets" that only believers are able to discern "through the spirit" or whatever.

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    It seems you ever stick to Christian dogma "the bible explains itself"
    Not at all! On the contrary, I explicitly stated that the Bible FAILS to explain itself on many points, which is why believers have to make up their own interpretations that are not justified by the text.
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    the holy grail is said to be a stone from Lucifer's crown

    http://www.jasoncolavito.com/the-hol...own-jewel.html

    crown = Hebrew "keter" -- numerical value 620 coinciding the 620 letters with which the first set of tablets of stone were inscribed, tablets that were smashed by Moses. The 620th letter said to be the stone on the crown. 620th letter is last letter of last (172nd) word "reacha" of last commandment You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, his manservant, his maidservant, his ox, his donkey, or whatever belongs to your neighbor."

    or whatever belongs to your neighbor. וְכֹל אֲשֶׁר לְרֵעֶךָ

    Last letter "kaf sofiet" -- the open hand

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz0y...tu.be&t=25m46s

    https://twitter.com/search?q=crown%20minkmaat&src=typd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough View Post


    Not at all! On the contrary, I explicitly stated that the Bible FAILS to explain itself on many points, which is why believers have to make up their own interpretations that are not justified by the text.
    So you measured it according the same dogma: the text MUST explain itself, or else it is false and of no use than to be trampled under foot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvius View Post
    So you measured it according the same dogma: the text MUST explain itself, or else it is false and of no use than to be trampled under foot.
    I have no "dogma" concerning the interpretation of the Bible. It is a demonstrable fact that it contains a lot of stuff that is not explained in the text itself, as well as a lot of inconsistent and contradictory material, and so believers have been arguing about how to interpret it for 2000 years, and the most devout believers cannot agree. These facts have nothing to do with me or any "dogma" you imagine I may hold.
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    "Grail" after Hebrew "goral" = lot ?

    https://books.google.nl/books?id=Hcx...0grail&f=false

    https://twitter.com/Minkmaat/status/820892573376057344

    "goral" = Greek κλῆρος

    κληρονομέω = inherit

    κληρονόμος = heir

    Mark 12:7, This is the heir; come, let us kill him

    Matthew 3:9,
    And do not think you can say to yourselves, ?We have Abraham as our father.? I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.


    children for Abraham = heirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough View Post
    I have no "dogma" concerning the interpretation of the Bible. It is a demonstrable fact that it contains a lot of stuff that is not explained in the text itself, as well as a lot of inconsistent and contradictory material, and so believers have been arguing about how to interpret it for 2000 years, and the most devout believers cannot agree. These facts have nothing to do with me or any "dogma" you imagine I may hold.
    Jewish tradition knows about an oral Torah besides the scriptural text.

    http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...Oral-Torah.htm

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    A text needs to be deciphered

    "decipher" -- presupposes a deeper layer of numerical values

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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvius View Post
    Jewish tradition knows about an oral Torah besides the scriptural text.

    http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...Oral-Torah.htm
    Yep, and they've made up a truckload of silly interpretations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvius View Post
    the holy grail is said to be a stone from Lucifer's crown

    http://www.jasoncolavito.com/the-hol...own-jewel.html

    crown = Hebrew "keter" -- numerical value 620 coinciding the 620 letters with which the first set of tablets of stone were inscribed, tablets that were smashed by Moses. The 620th letter said to be the stone on the crown. 620th letter is last letter of last (172nd) word "reacha" of last commandment You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, his manservant, his maidservant, his ox, his donkey, or whatever belongs to your neighbor."

    or whatever belongs to your neighbor. וְכֹל אֲשֶׁר לְרֵעֶךָ

    Last letter "kaf sofiet" -- the open hand

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz0y...tu.be&t=25m46s

    https://twitter.com/search?q=crown%20minkmaat&src=typd
    You don't need to tell me about the number 620 and the Ten Commandments. I went crazy on that train back in the day:


    The Ten Commandments

    Esret HaDevarim
    = 1231 =
    The Crown of the Torah

    Keter Torah
    http://www.biblewheel.com/GR/GR_TenC.php



    Would you say that the Greek identity "the scripture = 620" is a meaningless coincidence? Or have you changed your view about Greek gematria?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sylvius View Post
    A text needs to be deciphered

    "decipher" -- presupposes a deeper layer of numerical values
    Or you need to learn the meaning of "metaphor" ....
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