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    Quote Originally Posted by gilgal View Post
    My question is what makes any of these books authoritative? How and why were they accepted in the bible?
    I moved the conversation that sprang from this question to a thread of its own called What makes the books of the Bible authoritative?.
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    Hi dan_b,

    I think the chart you write about is interesting (too) and like to see it also.
    70 Years Old............................................... .......JUDGMENT DAY

    ..........................Time of Rest - Old Age Pension

    60 Years Old............................................... ...........................

    ..........................Created Mankind
    .......................................Beasts
    ...........................Creeping Things
    ........................................Cattle
    50 Years Old............................................... ...........................

    ..................Fowl that fly above the heaven
    ..................Moving creatures from waters
    40 Years Old............................................... ...........................

    .....................Sun
    ....................Moon..........Lights in Heaven are
    ....................Stars.............ideas in the mind.
    30 Years Old............................................... ...........................

    ...........................grass, herbs, trees

    ...................Waters under heaven gathered apart
    .............(People incapable of understanding are left behind)
    20 Years Old............................................... ...........................
    ....................Finally out of slavery(Egypt)

    ................created a firmament dividing waters
    ...............(follow laws/rules/stay out of trouble)
    10 Years Old............................................... ...........................

    .................divided light from darkness(good from bad)
    .................created heaven and earth(mind and physical body)
    0 Years Old............................................... ............................

    ......A BRIEF GENERAL OUTLINE OF A HUMAN BEING'S LIFETIME.......

    1st DECADE............................................ .........0 - 10 years Old

    The birth of a human being, like the germination of a plant, involves the Male/Female duality which in Genesis is correspondent to the "Heaven and the Earth." Then as a child grows older he is taught good from bad. "You must be good," he is told, if you want to participate in society. The will to exist corresponds to the Genesis Day One creation of "light." Gen.1;3,4

    2d DECADE............................................ .........10 - 20 Years Old

    As a child grows up into a teenager he begins to make excursions out into the world by himself. Whereas previously in his child life he was taught good from bad, now this same morality is magnified to include the social rules and laws of society. During these teenage years a person must develop and exercise his "will power" and keep himself within the law. Much is learned by trial and error during the latter part of a teenager's life. This happened similarily to Israel collectively during the second millennium after Adam. But those Israelites who did use their will power finally crossed the Red Sea and the Jordan River and came out of Egyptian slavery and into a new millennium.

    In a similar way each individual person at the end of his teenage life, if he has exercised his willpower and self control can finally cross int adulthood. At this age in our lives we come out of the bondage and what we had called slavery and domination to our parents and guardians. We finally leave their rulersip behind and enter the promised land of being a grown-up.

    3d DECADE............................................ ............20 - 30 Years Old

    During a person's early twenties he often begins to form an independant homestead and an individual life over which he is at last the ruler. Now when he is no longer under the care of his guardians a young adult begins a period in his life which could be likened unto the "establishment of his kingdom." Physically and economically he begins the establishment of his career and home. Emotionally he now seeks association with others who are of like mind and spirit and does not continue the trial and error relationships he may have had during his teenage years. In this way life with spirit is gathered apart from life without spirit. His kingdom now consists of a wife.

    Then during the second half of his twenties a person often finds himself becoming entirely occupied and concerned with raising descendants and the advancement of his career. In this way Genesis appropriately aymbolizes this stage of a person's life with God's creation of grass, herbs and trees. Vegetation's only purpose is preservation and procreation of it's species and therefore appropriately symbolizes this era of a human being's life.

    4th DECADE............................................ .........30 - 40 Years Old

    Entering his 4th decade a person's family, career and his position in society are usually already well established. At this time in parallel history the Jerualem Temple was finally established and the nation was in it's most prosperous and glorious period. However in the early thirties of a person's life things often seem to go for a fall. Life now changes into more of a school for learning and gaining a fuller understanding of human affairs.

    Whereas during the twenties the kingdom was being developed, now during the thirties this same kingdom is knocked down. In this same way both of the kingdoms of Israel and Judah were destroyed during the parallelling 4th millennium. This destruction in both the historical and in the personal individual perspective is but the continuing process of evolving consciousness and development towards a final victory. As a person comes to understand the wisdom of the Stars(prophets), the moon( the law), and the Sun(Christ's teaching) he often finds that he has made an awful mess of his kingdom(family, career, social position). In this way one may find himself, in a microcosmic perspective, alike to Jesus who although having a complete spiritual understanding yet had his personal physical kingdom destroyed and scattered and himself bearing a terrible cross. Indeed not only Jesus but also any individual person who attempts to live his life by following his conscience inevitably encounters harships, insults and often physical injury from the more materially and brutally minded populations.

    5th.DECADE........................................ ...........40 - 50 Years Old

    The Genesis symbolism depicting a human being's 5th decade concentrates solely upon the victor. He who has overcome his lower nature which he often well experiences during his thirties is now aptly honoured and symbolized. The Genesis terms "moving creatures from waters" can indicate that at this point in a person's life, after 40, he has the ability to create from "waters"(mental and spiritual consciousness) positive activity and movement. All that was previously misunderstood or needed to be experienced in his life's lessons is accomplished and now the successful and victorious candidate in this development of consciousness begins to be a creator himself. During a persons forties very high purposes can be achieved due to his accomplishments after 40 years of life's experience. Genesis symbolizes this age as "great whales" and as "fowl that fly above the earth." ....con't...

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    The circle of life

    On the lighter side, dan b's post reminds me of the circle of life joke (no pun intended):

    Circle Of Life
    At age 1...success is...able to walk and run

    At age 4...success is...not peeing in your pants.

    At age 10...success is...making your own meals.

    At age 12...success is...having friends.

    At age 16...success is...having a drivers license.

    At age 20...success is...having sex.

    At age 35...success is...having money.

    At age 50...success is...having money.

    At age 60...success is...having sex.

    At age 70...success is...having a drivers license.

    At age 75...success is...having friends.

    At age 80...success is...making your own meals.

    At age 85...success is...not peeing in your pants.

    At age 100...success is...able to walk and run


    In fact, I do see the Bible as a circle of life when man learn to live and walk with God in Genesis and the success at the end of age in Revelation when man managed to learn to live and walk with God.....Amen,

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    continued from above...............

    This could be because unlike the material and emotional kingdoms that we established in our twenties, during this 5th decade the kingdom that we are concerned about is "above the earth" of the simple material and bioligical domain. During these years in a humans life he has the ability to become what could be called for the first time, "a living entity" not confined only to their physical materialistic life.

    6th DECADE............................................ ................50 - 60 Years Old

    During the fifties of our lives the Genesis symbolism sees to give us two choices. "Man or Beast?" To begin with during the parallelling 6th day of Genesis "cattle, creeping things and beasts" were created. Only then came man. Does this indicate that a person must understand and somewhat experience existance in these cattle and beastly mentalities before he will finally arrive at and fully attain human understanding? Genesis symbology here could be indicating that we as human beings must overcome the beastly, hiding and sneaking mentalities before attaining and becoming God's final and crown of creation "mankind." At 60 years old life's wonderful, although sometimes arduous journey is complete. What has been done has been done and what has been experienced has been experienced. Just as in Genesis God ended his creation after six days we too, as individuals, societies and Civilizations seem to have within us a blue print that decreases our innovative energy after six decades, and after six thousand years. On the seventh day God rested and reflected on his works that he had made. Will Mankind do the same?

    7th.DECADE........................................ ....................60 - 70 Years Old

    This decade in the paralleling Genesis Creation Story is described as the "Day of Rest." This last decade of a person's life is indeed a time of rest even when we consider societie's social security and old age pension systems. In most of this world's Civil Societies a person upon reaching the age of 60 or 65 is relieved of his job and given a suitable and guaranteed income to live out his last years. This is generally a time of thought and reflection, and if applicable, satisfaction as he remembers and thinks over the past six decades of his life. God blessed this "seventh day" and sanctified it. Gen.2;3

    But what if a person has fallen and not arisen? What about the people who during their lifetimes have not used will power to a sufficient extent and therefore have not learned and understood from life's experiences? Instead they may not have learned good from bad during thieir first decade and therefore have not been able to hold fast to the rules and laws required of them during their second decade. What if they, during their third decade of their lives instead of building up their kingdoms, left all serious concerns to naught and partied and frolicked in abandonment for those years? What if even during a person's 4th decade he still continued to disregard his human duties? Would he then still be deserving of being called a "fish in spirit" or a "fowl that flies above the earth" during his 5th decade? Or would he during his sixties be more of a "beast, creeping thing or cattle" than ever to become a Man?

    Revelation, the book of the Holy Bible that reveals to us in symbols our personal 70 year lifetime as well as our Civilizational historical 7000 years, tells us of another fate that becomes all those who do fail. In Rev.20;3 it tells us that those who act as the old serpent which is the Devil will be cast into the bottomless pit and shut up for 1000 years. Here again we can take analogy to signify the downcast and pitiful conclusion of the lives of those people who do not try and do fail in carrying out even those few life's tasks that they themselves were obviously personally assigned to. They will spend their supposed to be "Day of Rest" as if bound up in a bottomless pit. They will indeed, if they have deprived their develloping consciousness of life's worthwile experiences and lessons and not leaned hard in the direction of progress, find themselves little better than in that situation. For the human being that knowingly forfeits his life's purpose for the lark of frivoulous vanity probably spends this last ten years of his life sad and worring about death.

    "The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of streangth they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away." Ps.90;10

    "So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts to wisdom." Ps90;12

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    Ah you made a layer on Gen. 1. I thought you meant something else with

    Quote Originally Posted by dan b View Post
    Thanks, I'm checking that out now. The Holy Bible also divides not only into the seven stages of a plants growth, but also it seems to correspond to the 7 decades of a persons life. I have make a chart of this which I don't have with me today. Each decade of human life corresponds to a millennium of Civilizations development from Adam untill 3000AD
    namely connecting the Bible (not only Gen. 1) with the 17th century for example, the Golden Age, A'dam (Amsterdam)* and the Industrial Revolution. But now I see you wrote millennium and not century.

    I don't like to critisize your layer, critisizing is always possible when someone posts a large text.


    * actually called after a dam in the river Amstel, Amstel-dam, Amsterdam. In short we write A'dam. In Amsterdam are many Jewish hebrew words used, like Amsterdam itself is also called Mokum. It is called after the hebrew word makom which means 'place'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NumberX View Post
    Ah you made a layer on Gen. 1. I thought you meant something else with



    namely connecting the Bible (not only Gen. 1) with the 17th century for example, the Golden Age, A'dam (Amsterdam)* and the Industrial Revolution. But now I see you wrote millennium and not century.

    I don't like to critisize your layer, critisizing is always possible when someone posts a large text.


    * actually called after a dam in the river Amstel, Amstel-dam, Amsterdam. In short we write A'dam. In Amsterdam are many Jewish hebrew words used, like Amsterdam itself is also called Mokum. It is called after the hebrew word makom which means 'place'.
    Adam was a dumb person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan b View Post
    Adam was a dumb person.
    Good

    No wonder his name is Adam. Adam means man and it means A Damned Man. Damned because he sinned and make us all damnable to sin.

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    Oh well people go to A'dam.

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    Question: Why was the first ant so very stubborn?
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    Oh well people go to A'dam.
    Yes, I've been to your city many many times. Very nice but smoky.

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