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    The amazing Bible Canons!

    At first there was just the Old Testament Bible.

    ................THE HEBREW MASORETIC TEXT

    ..The Law..............The Prophets.............The Writtings

    1. Genesis.............6. Joshua...................27. Psalms
    2. Exodus..............7. Judges...................28. Proverbs
    3. Leviticus............8. I Samuel................29. Job
    4. Numbers............9. 2 Samuel
    5. Deuteronomy.....10. I Kings..................The five Megillot
    ..........................11. 2 Kings
    ..........................12. Isaiah....................30. Song of Songs
    ..........................13. Jeremiah.................31. Ruth
    ..........................14. Exekiel....................32. Lamentations
    .................................................. ..........33. Ecclesiastes
    ..........................The Twelve...................34. Esther
    .................................................. ..........35. Daniel
    ...........................15. Hosea....................36. Ezra
    ...........................16. Joel.......................37. Nehemiah
    ...........................17. Amos.....................38. I Chronicles
    ...........................18. Obadiah..................39. 2 Chronicles
    ...........................19. Jonah.....................40. Haftaroth
    ...........................20. Micah
    .........(middle-
    ...........................21. Nahum
    ...........................22. Habakkuk
    ...........................23. Zephaniah
    ...........................24. Haggai
    ...........................25. Zechariah
    ...........................26. Malachi


    Then when Christianity began they added the 27 books of the New Testament.

    .................................GREEK ORTHODOX BIBLE..................................

    .1. Genesis....................28. Isaiah.....................51. Matthew
    .2. Exodus.....................29. Jeremiah.................52. Mark
    .3. Leviticus..................30. Lamentations............53. Luke
    .4. Numbers...................31. LETTER OF JEREMIAH.54 . John
    .5. Deuteronomy............32. BARUCH....................55. Acts
    .6. Joshua....................33. Ezekiel......................56. James
    .7. Judges....................34. Daniel.......................57. 1 Peter
    .8. Ruth.......................35. Hosea.......................58. 2 Peter
    .9. 1 Kings....................36. Joel.........................59. 1 John
    10. 2 Kings...................37. Amos........................60. 2 John
    11. 3 Kings...................38. Obadiah....................61. 3 John
    12. 4 Kings...................39. Jonah...(center).........62. Jude
    13. 1 Chronicles............40. Micah.......................63. Romans
    14. 2 Chronicles............41. Nahum......................64. 1 Corinthians
    15. 1 Esdras.................42. Habakkuk..................65. 2 Corinthians
    16. Nehemiah................43. Zephaniah.................66. Galations
    17. 2 ESDRAS................44. Haggai.....................67. Ephesians
    18. TOBIT.....................45. Zechariah.................68. Philippians
    19. JUDITH....................46. Malachi....................69. Colossians
    20. Esther.....................47. 1 MACCABEES...........70. 1 Thessalonians
    21. Job.........................48. 2 MACCABEES............71. 2 Thessalonians
    22. Psalms.....................49. 3 MACCABEES...........72. 1 Timothy
    23. Proverbs..................50. 3 ESDRAS.................73. 2 Timothy
    24. Ecclesiastes...................................... ...........74. Titus
    25. Song of Solomon........................................... 75. Philemon
    26. WISDOM OF SOLOMON...................................76. Hebrews
    27. ECCLESIASTICUS.................................... .......77. Revelation

    Then the Catholics had Jerome translate the Greek Bible into Latin and called it the Vulgate. They kept the exact same arrangement but left off 4 books.

    ..............................ROMAN CATHOLIC BIBLE(The Vulgate).................

    .1. Genesis......................27. Isaiah...................52. Romans
    .2. Exodus.......................28. Jeremiah...............53. 1 Corinthians
    .3. Leviticus....................29. Lamentations.........54. 2 Corinthians
    .4. Numbers....................30. BARUCH.................55. Galations
    .5. Deuteronomy..............31. Ezekiel..................56. Ephesians
    .6. Joshua......................32. Daniel....................57. Philippians
    .7. Judges......................33. Hosea....................58. Colossians
    .8. Ruth.........................34. Joel.......................59. 1 Thessalonians
    .9. 1 Kings......................35. Amos.....................60. 2 Thessalonians
    10. 2 Kings.....................36. Obadiah..................61. 1 Timothy
    11. 3 Kings.....................37. Jonah...(center).......62. 2 Timothy
    12. 4 Kings ....................38. Micah.....................63. Titus
    13. 1 Chronicles...............39. Nahum...................64. Philemon
    14. 2 Chronicles...............40. Habakkuk................65. Hebrews
    15. 1 Esdras....................41. Zephaniah..............66. James
    16. 2 ESDRAS..................42. Haggia...................67. 1 Peter
    17. TOBIT.......................43. Zechariah...............68. 2 Peter
    18. JUDITH......................44. Malachi..................69. 1 John
    19. Esther.......................45. 1 MACCABEES.........70. 2 John
    20. Job...........................46. 2 MACCABEES.........71. 3 John
    21. Psalms.......................47. Matthew................72. Jude
    22. Proverbs....................48. Mark......................73. Revelation
    23. Ecclesiastes................49. Luke
    24. Song of Songs.............50. John
    25. WISDOM OF SOLOMON..51. Acts
    26. ECCLESIASTICUS


    Finally with the Protestant Reformation the Germans and English established their own 66 book Bible Canon. They used the same contents as the original Hebrew Masoretic Text Bible. But they kept the exact same arrangement as the Greek and Latin Bibles.

    ...THE LAW...................THE PROPHETS............THE WRITINGS........

    .1. Genesis...................23. Isaiah....................45. Romans
    .2. Exodus....................24. Jeremiah................46. 1 Corinthians
    .3. Leviticus.................25. Lamentations..........47. 2 Corinthians
    .4. Numbers..................26. Ezekiel...................48. Galatians
    .5. Deuteronomy...........27. Daniel....................49. Ephesians
    .................................................. ................50. Philippians
    .6. Joshua....................28. Hosea...................51. Colossians
    .7. Judges....................29. Joel......................52. 1 Thessalonians
    .8. Ruth.......................30. Amos....................53. 2 Thessalonians
    .9. 1 Samuel.................31. Obadiah.................54. 1 Timothy
    10. 2 Samuel................32. Jonah.....................55. 2 Timothy
    11. 1 Kings...................33. Micah....................56. Titus
    12. 2 Kings...................34. Nahum...................57. Philemon
    13. 1 Chronicles............35. Habakkuk................58. Hebrews
    14. 2 Chronicles............36. Zephaniah
    15. Ezra.......................37. Haggai
    16. Nehemiah................38. Zechariah...............59. James
    17. Esther....................39. Malachi...................60. 1 Peter
    .................................................. .................61. 2 Peter
    18. Job........................40. Matthew.................62. 1 John
    19. Psalms....................41. Mark......................63. 2 John
    20. Proverbs.................42. Luke.......................64. 3 John
    21. Ecclesiastes............43. John.......................65. Jude
    22. Song of Solomon......44. Acts.......................66. Revelation

    So notice how this new Protestant 66 book bible fits so perfectly under the original Hebrew Bible headings of the "Law, Prophets and Writtings. The colomn under the Prophets is all prophets. The colomn under the Writings is all writings or epistles.

    Then it is remarkably set up with the first five books in the first colomn being the "Pentatuch." The last five books in this colomn are called the "wisdom literature."
    In the second colomn the first five books are called the "major Prophets." The last five books in this colomn are the "Gospels of the New Testament and Acts." This arrangement was not set up by men. They never changed anything as can be seen by comparing the above four Bible Canons.

    *- note that the extra books in the Greek and Latin Bible canons are typed out in Capital letters for easier identification.

    Now isn't this a miracle or what!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan b View Post
    At first there was just the Old Testament Bible.

    ................THE HEBREW MASORETIC TEXT

    ..The Law..............The Prophets.............The Writtings

    1. Genesis.............6. Joshua...................27. Psalms
    2. Exodus..............7. Judges...................28. Proverbs
    3. Leviticus............8. I Samuel................29. Job
    4. Numbers............9. 2 Samuel
    5. Deuteronomy.....10. I Kings..................The five Megillot
    ..........................11. 2 Kings
    ..........................12. Isaiah....................30. Song of Songs
    ..........................13. Jeremiah.................31. Ruth
    ..........................14. Exekiel....................32. Lamentations
    .................................................. ..........33. Ecclesiastes
    ..........................The Twelve...................34. Esther
    .................................................. ..........35. Daniel
    ...........................15. Hosea....................36. Ezra
    ...........................16. Joel.......................37. Nehemiah
    ...........................17. Amos.....................38. I Chronicles
    ...........................18. Obadiah..................39. 2 Chronicles
    ...........................19. Jonah.....................40. Haftaroth
    ...........................20. Micah
    .........(middle-
    ...........................21. Nahum
    ...........................22. Habakkuk
    ...........................23. Zephaniah
    ...........................24. Haggai
    ...........................25. Zechariah
    ...........................26. Malachi


    Then when Christianity began they added the 27 books of the New Testament.

    .................................GREEK ORTHODOX BIBLE..................................

    .1. Genesis....................28. Isaiah.....................51. Matthew
    .2. Exodus.....................29. Jeremiah.................52. Mark
    .3. Leviticus..................30. Lamentations............53. Luke
    .4. Numbers...................31. LETTER OF JEREMIAH.54 . John
    .5. Deuteronomy............32. BARUCH....................55. Acts
    .6. Joshua....................33. Ezekiel......................56. James
    .7. Judges....................34. Daniel.......................57. 1 Peter
    .8. Ruth.......................35. Hosea.......................58. 2 Peter
    .9. 1 Kings....................36. Joel.........................59. 1 John
    10. 2 Kings...................37. Amos........................60. 2 John
    11. 3 Kings...................38. Obadiah....................61. 3 John
    12. 4 Kings...................39. Jonah...(center).........62. Jude
    13. 1 Chronicles............40. Micah.......................63. Romans
    14. 2 Chronicles............41. Nahum......................64. 1 Corinthians
    15. 1 Esdras.................42. Habakkuk..................65. 2 Corinthians
    16. Nehemiah................43. Zephaniah.................66. Galations
    17. 2 ESDRAS................44. Haggai.....................67. Ephesians
    18. TOBIT.....................45. Zechariah.................68. Philippians
    19. JUDITH....................46. Malachi....................69. Colossians
    20. Esther.....................47. 1 MACCABEES...........70. 1 Thessalonians
    21. Job.........................48. 2 MACCABEES............71. 2 Thessalonians
    22. Psalms.....................49. 3 MACCABEES...........72. 1 Timothy
    23. Proverbs..................50. 3 ESDRAS.................73. 2 Timothy
    24. Ecclesiastes...................................... ...........74. Titus
    25. Song of Solomon........................................... 75. Philemon
    26. WISDOM OF SOLOMON...................................76. Hebrews
    27. ECCLESIASTICUS.................................... .......77. Revelation

    Then the Catholics had Jerome translate the Greek Bible into Latin and called it the Vulgate. They kept the exact same arrangement but left off 4 books.

    ..............................ROMAN CATHOLIC BIBLE(The Vulgate).................

    .1. Genesis......................27. Isaiah...................52. Romans
    .2. Exodus.......................28. Jeremiah...............53. 1 Corinthians
    .3. Leviticus....................29. Lamentations.........54. 2 Corinthians
    .4. Numbers....................30. BARUCH.................55. Galations
    .5. Deuteronomy..............31. Ezekiel..................56. Ephesians
    .6. Joshua......................32. Daniel....................57. Philippians
    .7. Judges......................33. Hosea....................58. Colossians
    .8. Ruth.........................34. Joel.......................59. 1 Thessalonians
    .9. 1 Kings......................35. Amos.....................60. 2 Thessalonians
    10. 2 Kings.....................36. Obadiah..................61. 1 Timothy
    11. 3 Kings.....................37. Jonah...(center).......62. 2 Timothy
    12. 4 Kings ....................38. Micah.....................63. Titus
    13. 1 Chronicles...............39. Nahum...................64. Philemon
    14. 2 Chronicles...............40. Habakkuk................65. Hebrews
    15. 1 Esdras....................41. Zephaniah..............66. James
    16. 2 ESDRAS..................42. Haggia...................67. 1 Peter
    17. TOBIT.......................43. Zechariah...............68. 2 Peter
    18. JUDITH......................44. Malachi..................69. 1 John
    19. Esther.......................45. 1 MACCABEES.........70. 2 John
    20. Job...........................46. 2 MACCABEES.........71. 3 John
    21. Psalms.......................47. Matthew................72. Jude
    22. Proverbs....................48. Mark......................73. Revelation
    23. Ecclesiastes................49. Luke
    24. Song of Songs.............50. John
    25. WISDOM OF SOLOMON..51. Acts
    26. ECCLESIASTICUS


    Finally with the Protestant Reformation the Germans and English established their own 66 book Bible Canon. They used the same contents as the original Hebrew Masoretic Text Bible. But they kept the exact same arrangement as the Greek and Latin Bibles.

    ...THE LAW...................THE PROPHETS............THE WRITINGS........

    .1. Genesis...................23. Isaiah....................45. Romans
    .2. Exodus....................24. Jeremiah................46. 1 Corinthians
    .3. Leviticus.................25. Lamentations..........47. 2 Corinthians
    .4. Numbers..................26. Ezekiel...................48. Galatians
    .5. Deuteronomy...........27. Daniel....................49. Ephesians
    .................................................. ................50. Philippians
    .6. Joshua....................28. Hosea...................51. Colossians
    .7. Judges....................29. Joel......................52. 1 Thessalonians
    .8. Ruth.......................30. Amos....................53. 2 Thessalonians
    .9. 1 Samuel.................31. Obadiah.................54. 1 Timothy
    10. 2 Samuel................32. Jonah.....................55. 2 Timothy
    11. 1 Kings...................33. Micah....................56. Titus
    12. 2 Kings...................34. Nahum...................57. Philemon
    13. 1 Chronicles............35. Habakkuk................58. Hebrews
    14. 2 Chronicles............36. Zephaniah
    15. Ezra.......................37. Haggai
    16. Nehemiah................38. Zechariah...............59. James
    17. Esther....................39. Malachi...................60. 1 Peter
    .................................................. .................61. 2 Peter
    18. Job........................40. Matthew.................62. 1 John
    19. Psalms....................41. Mark......................63. 2 John
    20. Proverbs.................42. Luke.......................64. 3 John
    21. Ecclesiastes............43. John.......................65. Jude
    22. Song of Solomon......44. Acts.......................66. Revelation

    So notice how this new Protestant 66 book bible fits so perfectly under the original Hebrew Bible headings of the "Law, Prophets and Writtings. The colomn under the Prophets is all prophets. The colomn under the Writings is all writings or epistles.

    Then it is remarkably set up with the first five books in the first colomn being the "Pentatuch." The last five books in this colomn are called the "wisdom literature."
    In the second colomn the first five books are called the "major Prophets." The last five books in this colomn are the "Gospels of the New Testament and Acts." This arrangement was not set up by men. They never changed anything as can be seen by comparing the above four Bible Canons.

    *- note that the extra books in the Greek and Latin Bible canons are typed out in Capital letters for easier identification.

    Now isn't this a miracle or what!
    Don't forget that the codex version of the bible began after the 1st century. I don't think their was a final decision on which books to include or exclude since they were all individual scrolls mostly.

    What's:
    Haftaroth

    Didn't Jerome express his doubts on the Apocryphal books?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilgal View Post
    Don't forget that the codex version of the bible began after the 1st century. I don't think their was a final decision on which books to include or exclude since they were all individual scrolls mostly.

    What's:
    Haftaroth

    Didn't Jerome express his doubts on the Apocryphal books?
    It seems to me that nobody planned any of this. These Bible Canons are just today a fact of history. I have obtained these Bible Canons from the Theologial sections in major worldwide lybraries. They appear to be the accepted Canons of the four major Religious dominations of Hebrews, Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant. I know that there are many other offshoots of Bible Canons. But these four are by and large the major and most commonly accepted ones. I believe God has a hand in whatever has happened and is happening in these arrangements. After all God is guiding us, isn't he?

    In the Hebrew Bible which the common man will find in most Lybraries around the world the "Massoretic Text" is the standard and the norm. If you check this you will find the exact 39 book Canon and a 40th book called Halftorah. The Halftorah is, as I have been so often told, not an actual Bible book at all but somewhat of a series of readings that are read in the synagoge on the Sabbath. I am not at all questioning what it is or how it pertains into the Herbrew bible. I have here only set out what anyone who inquires into this topic will find. I am not interested here to deeply investigate what some Bible scholars may investigate. But I am looking at these Canons from a common man's perspective in what anyone who has an interest and investigates will see. And it appears to me to be somewhat of a major Miracle!

    Yes, Jerome did indeed question the legitimacy of the Apocrypha. And then 1000 years after him Luther and the English also questioned it too. They each made the arrangments with it that they themselves found suitable. The above four Bible Canons is the result.

    The point that we can see if we just look at the books in these four canons is that;

    1. They all progressed following and coping the preveous ones before them.

    2. No one changed the order of any of the books on their own.

    3. No one added any Bible books to the Canons.

    So if you look at this, you can see that no man changed of arranged any of this on his own. They religiously copied what was before. And yet look at the amazing resultant Protestant 66 book Canon. It fits under the three headings of the Masoretic Text perfectly. And each of it's three colomns are numerically balanced.

    The cattagories of Bible books such as the "Pentatuch," the Wisdom Literature, the Major Prophets, the Minor Prophets, and the Writtings were all established as individual sections long before this. But in the Protestant 66 book Canon they are set up in such an amazing and balanced way. How could this have come about? And dosn't this show a supernatural hand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan b View Post
    It seems to me that nobody planned any of this. These Bible Canons are just today a fact of history. I have obtained these Bible Canons from the Theologial sections in major worldwide lybraries. They appear to be the accepted Canons of the four major Religious dominations of Hebrews, Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant. I know that there are many other offshoots of Bible Canons. But these four are by and large the major and most commonly accepted ones. I believe God has a hand in whatever has happened and is happening in these arrangements. After all God is guiding us, isn't he?

    In the Hebrew Bible which the common man will find in most Lybraries around the world the "Massoretic Text" is the standard and the norm. If you check this you will find the exact 39 book Canon and a 40th book called Halftorah. The Halftorah is, as I have been so often told, not an actual Bible book at all but somewhat of a series of readings that are read in the synagoge on the Sabbath. I am not at all questioning what it is or how it pertains into the Herbrew bible. I have here only set out what anyone who inquires into this topic will find. I am not interested here to deeply investigate what some Bible scholars may investigate. But I am looking at these Canons from a common man's perspective in what anyone who has an interest and investigates will see. And it appears to me to be somewhat of a major Miracle!

    Yes, Jerome did indeed question the legitimacy of the Apocrypha. And then 1000 years after him Luther and the English also questioned it too. They each made the arrangments with it that they themselves found suitable. The above four Bible Canons is the result.

    The point that we can see if we just look at the books in these four canons is that;

    1. They all progressed following and coping the preveous ones before them.

    2. No one changed the order of any of the books on their own.

    3. No one added any Bible books to the Canons.

    So if you look at this, you can see that no man changed of arranged any of this on his own. They religiously copied what was before. And yet look at the amazing resultant Protestant 66 book Canon. It fits under the three headings of the Masoretic Text perfectly. And each of it's three colomns are numerically balanced.

    The cattagories of Bible books such as the "Pentatuch," the Wisdom Literature, the Major Prophets, the Minor Prophets, and the Writtings were all established as individual sections long before this. But in the Protestant 66 book Canon they are set up in such an amazing and balanced way. How could this have come about? And dosn't this show a supernatural hand?
    Yes not only the writers were inspired but also the church fathers who viewed which books are suitable for the canon and which weren't. But Luther wanted to exclude James because it contradicted his belief that work is the outcome of faith but didn't. Some wanted to exclude Revelation because it's still a mysterious book that no one until today has figured it out. But it's still there.

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    Gilgal;

    I appreciate the symmetry of the pattern. As to your final arrangement, I have a question;

    If the first two columns are in a pattern of 5-12-5, can the third column be structured likewise?

    Joel
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    Finally with the Protestant Reformation the Germans and English established their own 66 book Bible Canon. They used the same contents as the original Hebrew Masoretic Text Bible. But they kept the exact same arrangement as the Greek and Latin Bibles.

    ...THE LAW...................THE PROPHETS............THE WRITINGS........

    .1. Genesis...................23. Isaiah....................45. Romans
    .2. Exodus....................24. Jeremiah................46. 1 Corinthians
    .3. Leviticus.................25. Lamentations..........47. 2 Corinthians
    .4. Numbers..................26. Ezekiel...................48. Galatians
    .5. Deuteronomy...........27. Daniel....................49. Ephesians
    .................................................. ................50. Philippians
    .6. Joshua....................28. Hosea...................51. Colossians
    .7. Judges....................29. Joel......................52. 1 Thessalonians
    .8. Ruth.......................30. Amos....................53. 2 Thessalonians
    .9. 1 Samuel.................31. Obadiah.................54. 1 Timothy
    10. 2 Samuel................32. Jonah.....................55. 2 Timothy
    11. 1 Kings...................33. Micah....................56. Titus
    12. 2 Kings...................34. Nahum...................57. Philemon
    13. 1 Chronicles............35. Habakkuk................58. Hebrews
    14. 2 Chronicles............36. Zephaniah
    15. Ezra.......................37. Haggai
    16. Nehemiah................38. Zechariah...............59. James
    17. Esther....................39. Malachi...................60. 1 Peter
    .................................................. .................61. 2 Peter
    18. Job........................40. Matthew.................62. 1 John
    19. Psalms....................41. Mark......................63. 2 John
    20. Proverbs.................42. Luke.......................64. 3 John
    21. Ecclesiastes............43. John.......................65. Jude
    22. Song of Solomon......44. Acts.......................66. Revelation
    For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:38,39

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    Quote Originally Posted by joel View Post
    Gilgal;

    I appreciate the symmetry of the pattern. As to your final arrangement, I have a question;

    If the first two columns are in a pattern of 5-12-5, can the third column be structured likewise?

    Joel
    --------------------------------------------------------------

    Finally with the Protestant Reformation the Germans and English established their own 66 book Bible Canon. They used the same contents as the original Hebrew Masoretic Text Bible. But they kept the exact same arrangement as the Greek and Latin Bibles.

    ...THE LAW...................THE PROPHETS............THE WRITINGS........

    .1. Genesis...................23. Isaiah....................45. Romans
    .2. Exodus....................24. Jeremiah................46. 1 Corinthians
    .3. Leviticus.................25. Lamentations..........47. 2 Corinthians
    .4. Numbers..................26. Ezekiel...................48. Galatians
    .5. Deuteronomy...........27. Daniel....................49. Ephesians
    .................................................. ................50. Philippians
    .6. Joshua....................28. Hosea...................51. Colossians
    .7. Judges....................29. Joel......................52. 1 Thessalonians
    .8. Ruth.......................30. Amos....................53. 2 Thessalonians
    .9. 1 Samuel.................31. Obadiah.................54. 1 Timothy
    10. 2 Samuel................32. Jonah.....................55. 2 Timothy
    11. 1 Kings...................33. Micah....................56. Titus
    12. 2 Kings...................34. Nahum...................57. Philemon
    13. 1 Chronicles............35. Habakkuk................58. Hebrews
    14. 2 Chronicles............36. Zephaniah
    15. Ezra.......................37. Haggai
    16. Nehemiah................38. Zechariah...............59. James
    17. Esther....................39. Malachi...................60. 1 Peter
    .................................................. .................61. 2 Peter
    18. Job........................40. Matthew.................62. 1 John
    19. Psalms....................41. Mark......................63. 2 John
    20. Proverbs.................42. Luke.......................64. 3 John
    21. Ecclesiastes............43. John.......................65. Jude
    22. Song of Solomon......44. Acts.......................66. Revelation
    Hello Joel, The amazing symetry and correspondences of the four historical Bible Canons seems to go deeper and deeper, as far as one is prepared to follow it and look at it. There is much more to this than has so far been shown. But we each have to consider and examine it one step at a time in order to be prepared and knowledgable to grasp and understand some more.

    Here is a small answer to your two questions.(a little more from the measly amount of it that I have personally examined)

    As you have recognized along with me, the first two colomns have a 5-12-5 pattern. But if you know the history and have read the 12 books in the first colomn you will also see that these have a symetrical pattern in them which is a 3-6-3 correspondence. It probably goes even deeper than that!

    Anyway, as noted, the first two colomns are both arranged in a similar form. These two colomns apply to the Old Testament time period. But the third colomn is set up to regard the third 2000 year period of Biblical history which is the Christian period. Now as the Bible states in many places, Mankind, and especially the people whom God chose in whom to do his work,orthe yeast, are growing as does a plant, vine or tree. "As the days of a tree are the days of my people."

    So the the third colomn is divisable into the first 14 books, then 7 books, and then the last book of Revelations. The first 14 books are Pauls descriptions of how to establish and to run the Christian Church. The Church is the fruit of God's tree which he planted in Mesopotamia with Adam and Eve. The next seven books beginning with James until Jude are the "thought food" and sustinance for the seeds which are inside the fruit. The purpose of the fruit(church) is only for the protection and nurturing of the seeds. This is the same in all of the fruits of trees on this earth. This is why it is OK that today the Christian Churches are rotting worldwide.

    So the church formed first and then inside it the seeds developed and formed. For this very reason many people have not understood the writings of Paul. And they have had trouble understanding the difference between his opinion that salvation is accieved by "faith" and not by "works."

    But James wrote in his epistle that salvation needs "works" and not just agreement and faith. This is because Paul was writting his instructions in order to set up the Christian Church in order for it to be built so as to have a place to nurture and develop the seeds(souls of men). Building and maintaining the Church(fruit) requires faith in the plans and blueprint. He instructed his followers to just follow the plans by faith in order to accomplish a benificial and stable church in which the future Christians could practice and learn and develop themselves during this entire 2000 Christian period called by Jesus Christ as the "times of the Gentiles." Lk.21;24

    But beginning with the epistle of James these 7 books are written pretaining to the seed that is developling inside of the fruit. This seed is the "souls of men" which the Anti-Christ has been attempting to capture and destroy. Rev.18;13 Therfore they indeed are here instructed to follow Jesus not only by faith but also to carry through following his message by doing his deeds and works. Real Christians are instructed to walk the walk as well as to talk the talk. But Pauls instructions were for the early christians in order to build up and establish the outer protecting covering called the church. This explanation that I am describing here is in relevance to how the Bible books are arranged to correspond to a growing vine or tree. There is indeed another reason for Paul teaching us to accept Jesus by faith. it is in order to obtain salvation by Grace. That is the Christianity in the personal individual perspective. But the fruit and seed correspondence that I am here discussing is in relation to the collective and Civilizational perspective of Christianity.

    Sorry for such a longworded explanation. But to answer the question about symetry in the third Bible colomn under the heading of "the Writtings" that is some of it. The Holy Bible also divides into 7 parts matching the growing stages of a plant or tree. The Epistles correspond to the forming of the fruit and the 7 books written by the apostles correspond to the development of the seeds inside the fruit.

    The last book called Revelation is the 22d book of the colomn and is, as are the 22d books of each of the three colomn a special book. It is the conclusion of the ideas presented by the books in it's colomn. The book of Revelation is representatlve of the harvest of the ripened fruit of the tree of Israel. It is relevant to our human mental understanding. The Song of Solomon is the conclusion of the first colomn which corresponds to the Physical perspective the beauty of physical woman. The book of Acts corresponds to the Emotional or In-motional perspective of Mankind. Acts are in-motion. The Prophets in this colomn are actually all emotionally lamenting just as the Lamentations of Jeremiah is. The whole entire system and arrangement of the Bible's books seem to be set up to continue in a never exaustive pattern going off in every direction like a 360 degree mosaic.

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    Yes not only the writers were inspired but also the church fathers who viewed which books are suitable for the canon and which weren't. But Luther wanted to exclude James because it contradicted his belief that work is the outcome of faith but didn't. Some wanted to exclude Revelation because it's still a mysterious book that no one until today has figured it out. But it's still there.
    Hello gilgal, Yes, I too have read about how Luther wanted to exclude the epistle of James because of his apparent contrast to Paul saying that salvation is by faith and Grace but not any longer by works of the Law. In contrast the Russian writter Leo Tolstoy thought that all of Pauls writtings whould be omitted because they didn't stress the necessity of doing Jesus's "works" but just allowed one to consent mentaly and verbaly. I myself, in my own humble and probably not fully developed opinion, believe that both the writtings of Paul and of James are entirerly relevent each for their own purpose. Paul is describing the way that the church(fruit) should be developed, and James's epistle is guidance for the seeds which are the actual individual souls of men and women. So they are talking about two different things.

    But let me ask you something if I may. Can you show me in the above four Canons of the bible where any books were added or taken out by someone? Can you show me where the arrangement or order of the Bible books was changed by someone independantly? No. Nothing was ever indipendantly added or subtracted by Luther or any one else. Each progressive Bible Canon was always arranged just exactly as the one that it followed before it and no books were added or omitted.

    The Apocrypha was never added or omitted indipendantly but each consecutive Bible Canon followed one from the past. When the Protestants 66 book Canon ommited the Apocrypha, it didn't omit it at all. It wasn't following the Orthodox and Catholic Canons in this way. It was following the original Masoretic Text of the Hebrew bible for it's contents. But It wasn't following the Hebrew Masoretic Text for the arrangement and order of it's Old Testament bible books. It was following the Orthodox and Catholic Bible Canons for it's contents for the Old Testament.

    You see. No one individual or church had a hand in changing or making any arrangements for it's Bible Canon. So the resultant 66 book Protestant Bible Canon is indeed an act of God. The symetry that is shown in it's arrangements could not have just happened haphazardly!

    Yes, some have wanted to exclude certain books including the book of Revelation. But no one ever did. If any one book was excluded or if there was even one minor change made in the Bible Canon then we would not have the perfect diamond symetry of a Bible Canon that we have today!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan b View Post
    Hello gilgal, Yes, I too have read about how Luther wanted to exclude the epistle of James because of his apparent contrast to Paul saying that salvation is by faith and Grace but not any longer by works of the Law. In contrast the Russian writter Leo Tolstoy thought that all of Pauls writtings whould be omitted because they didn't stress the necessity of doing Jesus's "works" but just allowed one to consent mentaly and verbaly. I myself, in my own humble and probably not fully developed opinion, believe that both the writtings of Paul and of James are entirerly relevent each for their own purpose. Paul is describing the way that the church(fruit) should be developed, and James's epistle is guidance for the seeds which are the actual individual souls of men and women. So they are talking about two different things.

    But let me ask you something if I may. Can you show me in the above four Canons of the bible where any books were added or taken out by someone? Can you show me where the arrangement or order of the Bible books was changed by someone independantly? No. Nothing was ever indipendantly added or subtracted by Luther or any one else. Each progressive Bible Canon was always arranged just exactly as the one that it followed before it and no books were added or omitted.

    The Apocrypha was never added or omitted indipendantly but each consecutive Bible Canon followed one from the past. When the Protestants 66 book Canon ommited the Apocrypha, it didn't omit it at all. It wasn't following the Orthodox and Catholic Canons in this way. It was following the original Masoretic Text of the Hebrew bible for it's contents. But It wasn't following the Hebrew Masoretic Text for the arrangement and order of it's Old Testament bible books. It was following the Orthodox and Catholic Bible Canons for it's contents for the Old Testament.

    You see. No one individual or church had a hand in changing or making any arrangements for it's Bible Canon. So the resultant 66 book Protestant Bible Canon is indeed an act of God. The symetry that is shown in it's arrangements could not have just happened haphazardly!

    Yes, some have wanted to exclude certain books including the book of Revelation. But no one ever did. If any one book was excluded or if there was even one minor change made in the Bible Canon then we would not have the perfect diamond symetry of a Bible Canon that we have today!
    Maybe for a brief period people seem to get inspiration from God but later change their views, like Solomon. And perhaps this is the case why some wanted to exclude certain books or include other books in the canon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilgal View Post
    Maybe for a brief period people seem to get inspiration from God but later change their views, like Solomon. And perhaps this is the case why some wanted to exclude certain books or include other books in the canon.
    I, like probably so many other people, have found such amazing and miraculous structures and verses depicting prophesy that has occurred, that I actually believe that God's hand is in all of this. I came to my belief from seeing the miracles through searching the scriptures. So I now think that even in the way that the Bible Canons have come about that it was in his hand and now ours.

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    The third colomn of the 66 book Protestant Bible is divided which the first 14 books representing the fruit and the next 7 books representing the seed. The seed is the souls of men or sons of men.

    THE HOLY BIBLE DIVIDED INTO 7 STAGES OF GROWTH AS SYMBOLIZED BY THE TREE OF LIFE.

    1. Genesis Chapter 1 describes the first 6 days of creation which can symbolically represent the downward growing root or radical.

    ..........Chapters 2 through 7 describers mankind after receiving the
    ..........breath of life and enhanced mental capacity symbolized by
    ..........the upward growing sprout.

    2. Genesis Chapter 8 through Deuteronomy describes the growth of stalk, twelve branches and leaf stage. Starting with the single shoot of Abraham and going on to the 12 sons of Israel,(branches) and the 12 tribes,(foliage, leaf). Finally after the great Red Sea watering Israel received the laws and ways of living which prepared it for it's next stage of flowering.

    3. Joshua through Esther describes the flowering period beginning after crossing the Jordan River and inhabiting the promised land. Then living under a government of judges(buds), Israel finally received kings,(flowers) and constructed the temple.

    4. Job through Acts describes the pollination stage, first by the messages of the Old Testament Prophets, then the destruction or fading of Israel and Judeah led to the scattering and dissemination of the Israelite culture(pollen or seed) towards Europe. Finally pollination was also apparent with the introduction of the New Christian teachings by Christ and his Apostles.

    5. Romans through Hebrews describes the growth and development of the fruit stage.(churches) Beginning with establishing the Christian Churches and communities among the Gentiles and establishing Christian thought believers suffered hardship but their Church's hard unripe shell protected them so that their inner spiritual lives or seed could continue developing.

    6. James through Jude describes the ripening of seeds and fruit to maturity. Beginning with communities living under Christian governments in many European Countries and on to more advanced Christian awarness because of the Protestant Reformation, Age of Reason, the more ethical governments of Democracy, and ethical Communism.

    7. Revelation is the developed fruit containing the plant Israel's blueprint in it's seeds. So fulfulls the prophesy of Jer.31;31 " I will put the law into their hearts."

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