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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by gilgal View Post
    The popular belief is that the strong delusion is an UFO invasion. But we know that propaganda is used in the media from televisions to radio and papers and politicians nowadays they constantly tell lies. So I take it that the strong delusion is propaganda in general.

    How many lies are you ready to hear to be convinced that the media is not reliable? Do you still listen to the media?
    Nope, don't believe the propaganda press at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfred Persson View Post
    Nope, don't believe the propaganda press at all.
    I feel sad that many Christians are carried away by this though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfred Persson View Post
    [b]The argument for extraterrestrials is a false dilemma, Although God's angels use technology ("The Spaceships of the Prophet Ezekiel", J.F. Blumrich), it does not follow their message was not from God precisely as the Bible says it is, BECAUSE Scripture reveals they use technology, it was we who failed to interpret the data correctly. [ ie:including plain statements of hybridization ]

    The fundamental premise of the big lie is extraterrestrial aliens exist apart from God---They do not.
    Will you believe that extraterrestials exist but angels that have rebelled against the Creator do not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rose View Post
    The innate understanding that all intelligent, rational people have, is that we are all human and as such whatever violates my human rights also violates your human rights. It doesn't get any simpler than that. All people share humanness and when your humanness is violated it is WRONG!
    Maybe instead of calling it "innate" it should be called ingrained. Believing something because everyone else believes it is not working. As well, not believing in demons until they show up with new labels is not working either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfred Persson View Post
    [b]The argument for extraterrestrials is a false dilemma, Although God's angels use technology ("The Spaceships of the Prophet Ezekiel", J.F. Blumrich), it does not follow their message was not from God precisely as the Bible says it is, BECAUSE Scripture reveals they use technology, it was we who failed to interpret the data correctly. [ ie:including plain statements of hybridization ]

    The fundamental premise of the big lie is extraterrestrial aliens exist apart from God---They do not.
    Will you believe that extraterrestials exist but angels that have rebelled against the Creator do not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rose View Post
    The innate understanding that all intelligent, rational people have, is that we are all human and as such whatever violates my human rights also violates your human rights. It doesn't get any simpler than that. All people share humanness and when your humanness is violated it is WRONG!
    Maybe instead of calling it "innate" it should be called ingrained. Believing something because everyone else believes it is not working. As well, not believing in demons until they show up with new labels is not working either.
    We have enough confusion on this forum without mixing together the replies from different the threads. It helps to keep topics separate and keep to the topic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfred Persson View Post

    These unclean spirits like frogs are Fallen Angels pretending to be UFO aliens, performing great signs to mislead the kings of the earth into waging a war against God Himself just as they did to Pharaoh (Ex 7:22). This war is described in Rev. 19:11-21.
    There is nothing in these verses to suggest (God's) Angels are fallen. The text uses the word "angel". We have to determine from the text, whether the word "angel" is human, or divine.

    I am happy to accept in this case the angel is divine, though all the angel has to do is make a proclamation in the form of an invitation. In the figurative language used, we have to determine who the fowls or the air are in human terms.

    Incidentally, having watched a programme on the TV a couple of nights ago, in which an animal sanctuary for saving vultures was shown, it is amazing to see how vultures respond to their human carers and bond with them. It was quite emotional to see. Vultures do a good job of cleaning up dead carcases. They have the digestive system to cope with harmful bacteria and disease that would kill any human and be harmful if left in the environment. Vultures do a good job for us.

    (Rev 19:17) And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

    There is nothing to suggest in this verse, that it is speaking of fallen Angels of God.


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    Quote Originally Posted by David M View Post
    There is nothing to suggest in this verse, that it is speaking of fallen Angels of God.

    David
    Maybe it is best to start at the beginning:

    "When humankind began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of humankind were beautiful. Thus they took wives for themselves from any they chose. So the LORD said, "My spirit will not remain in mankind indefinitely, since they are mortal. They will remain for 120 more years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days (and also after this) when the sons of God were having sexual relations with the daughters of humankind, who gave birth to their children. They were the mighty heroes of old, the famous men. But the LORD saw that the wickedness of mankind had become great on the earth. Every inclination of the thoughts of their minds was only evil all the time. The LORD regretted that he had made man on the earth, and he was highly offended."
    Last edited by messianicdruid; 02-14-2014 at 01:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by messianicdruid View Post
    Maybe it is best to start at the beginning:

    "When humankind began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of humankind were beautiful. Thus they took wives for themselves from any they chose. So the LORD said, "My spirit will not remain in mankind indefinitely, since they are mortal. They will remain for 120 more years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days (and also after this) when the sons of God were having sexual relations with the daughters of humankind, who gave birth to their children. They were the mighty heroes of old, the famous men. But the LORD saw that the wickedness of mankind had become great on the earth. Every inclination of the thoughts of their minds was only evil all the time. The LORD regretted that he had made man on the earth, and he was highly offended."
    It is true that Christians have taken that passage to refer to fallen angels, and Jude seems to confirm that interpretation. And the word "nephilim" does mean "fallen ones" so there is a lot of evidence for that point of view. But other Christians have rejected that interpretation. So how is anyone supposed to know what it really means?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough View Post
    So how is anyone supposed to know what it really means?
    It says what it means and it means what it says. The only reason this is an issue is because too many asked what it means before determining what it says.

    The Kingdom of God is not a democracy.

    "Christ compared the days of Noah to the days prior to His return. Are the actions which produced "giants," whatever they were, considered in this comparison? Certainly at no prior time of history have humans been able to "play God" with the genome as they do now. The rush to embrace the ghoulish possibilities of cloning and embryonic stem cell manipulation may be reminiscent of that long ago time. God's utter condemnation of that effort may help us evaluate modern experiments."

    http://www.icr.org/article/540/316/
    Last edited by messianicdruid; 02-15-2014 at 12:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by messianicdruid View Post
    It says what it means and it means what it says. The only reason this is an issue is because too many asked what it means before determining what it says.

    The Kingdom of God is not a democracy.

    "Christ compared the days of Noah to the days prior to His return. Are the actions which produced "giants," whatever they were, considered in this comparison? Certainly at no prior time of history have humans been able to "play God" with the genome as they do now. The rush to embrace the ghoulish possibilities of cloning and embryonic stem cell manipulation may be reminiscent of that long ago time. God's utter condemnation of that effort may help us evaluate modern experiments."

    http://www.icr.org/article/540/316/
    Now that's funny! You went from "it says what it means" to modern genetic engineering in the space of three sentences!

    I think you just demonstrated the reason for for all the confusion. It's the result of speculative ideas being read into an ancient ambiguous text.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Amiel McGough View Post
    Now that's funny! You went from "it says what it means" to modern genetic engineering in the space of three sentences!
    I am only providing hints {as was A. Persson}. DYODD

    "When the Lord Jesus was describing the “end of days,” {Luke 17:26-30} the time just prior to His Second Coming, He drew a direct connection back to the days of Noah: the time just before the Great Flood. He mentioned that the people were involved with eating, drinking and marrying right up until the flood came. They were totally unaware of the coming judgment.

    At first glance, there does not seem to be anything unusual about eating and drinking until all the Scriptures are studied about the time of Noah. The big picture shows this time period was full of violence and rebellion against God."

    http://www.defendproclaimthefaith.org/DaysNoah.htm

    The Ancient Aliens delusion is picking up its pace. They laughed at Noah for decades.

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