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    Was Hitler a preterist

    I hate to say this but it seems Adolf Hitler was a Catholic preterist. That probably explains why he wanted to exterminate all the Jews (no pun to current preterists whom I believe are not against the Jews):

    http://jesus-messiah.com/html/preterism-hitler.html

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    Adolph Hitler: first a Catholic preterist, second a socialist utopia demon, third, a criminal who purged by liquidation cleansing, millions of Jews whom he saw as Christ killers and unworthy of a place in his millennial preterist utopia kingdom. Plus, the Aryan race descended from the Indo-European bloodline back to Japhath while the Jews descended from the seed of Shem via Syria. He also had hundreds of thousands of Protestants killed who disagreed with his millennial socialist preterism, although the Protestants he killed were mostly preterist themselves..........Adolph Hitler, according to his confession in Mein Kemp said he was a Catholic and always would be. This means he was a preterist and followed Rome's interpretation consisting of dominionism and world control. He was eager to maximize the feelings of Catholic and Lutheran preterist in his death camps, ovens, and gas chambers. He knew the Lutheran and Catholic preterist would not protest his dominion conquest of the world, believing he was doing it for God.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheow Wee Hock View Post
    I hate to say this but it seems Adolf Hitler was a Catholic preterist.
    Why is it that I don't believe that you really "hate to say this?"

    I think you are very happy to say this!

    The guy you quoted looks like a nut, though I need to do more research before coming to any firm conclusion. His approach is a textbook example of the logically fallacy known as "guilt by association." It backfires, of course, since if Hitler's preterism proves preterism is evil, then Hitler's Christianity proves Christianity is evil. Is that what you were trying to prove? Belief in Jesus Christ is evil and makes people into mass murderers?

    I'll answer more after I do a little research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAM View Post
    Why is it that I don't believe that you really "hate to say this?"

    I think you are very happy to say this!

    The guy you quoted looks like a nut, though I need to do more research before coming to any firm conclusion. His approach is a textbook example of the logically fallacy known as "guilt by association." It backfires, of course, since if Hitler's preterism proves preterism is evil, then Hitler's Christianity proves Christianity is evil. Is that what you were trying to prove? Belief in Jesus Christ is evil and makes people into mass murderers?

    I'll answer more after I do a little research.

    All the very best,

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    Hi RAM,

    Although I do not accept preterism, I do not hate preterists. I see them as brothers and sisters in Christ just as I see catholics and other protestant groups and even Jews. In fact, I am rather concern that preterists may be believing and teaching a wrong doctrine.

    I call this "Generalization" in your statement...if A=B and if A=C, then A=B +C :

    It backfires, of course, since if Hitler's preterism proves preterism is evil, then Hitler's Christianity proves Christianity is evil. Is that what you were trying to prove? Belief in Jesus Christ is evil and makes people into mass murderers?
    I hate to say this that Hitler was a preterist because if it proves true, then people will generalized preterists and catholics as evil which we know they are not. I am Not trying to prove preterism is evil but rather trying to understand why a person hated the Jews so much as to create mass extermination. And I do hope that we all learn from the mistakes of Hitler who was anti-Jews and a dreamer of world dominance....and we all know his downfall. In fact, we know throughout history that if anyone tried to exterminate the Jews, he will received a terrible downfall. Therefore, I would rather that we heed the Lord's call "to love one another as I have love you".

    Many Blessings to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheow Wee Hock View Post
    I hate to say this that Hitler was a preterist because if it proves true, then people will generalized preterists and catholics as evil which we know they are not. I am Not trying to prove preterism is evil but rather trying to understand why a person hated the Jews so much as to create mass extermination. And I do hope that we all learn from the mistakes of Hitler who was anti-Jews and a dreamer of world dominance....and we all know his downfall. In fact, we know throughout history that if anyone tried to exterminate the Jews, he will received a terrible downfall. Therefore, I would rather that we heed the Lord's call "to love one another as I have love you".

    Many Blessings to you.
    Are you saying that preterism causes people to hate the Jews?

    If so, then you have a lot of learning to do. Most of the reformers were historicists (they taught that the Pope as anitchrist) and many of them hated the Jews (e.g. Martin Luther).

    Your correlations are all wrong and have no foundation in facts or history. They are logically fallacious and prejudicial.
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    Hi RAM,

    I don't know what you are ranting about. I am not targeting preterists. We ALL tend to see Jews in the negative light; the enemy of God....because they demanded Christ be crucified and now the curse is on them. I don't think we should see them in this way but rather feel for them who have suffered so much in the holocaust; the innocent victims of Hitler's insanity. I don't think God wanted Jews to suffer so much in the holocaust either. Anyway, God has done justice with the eventual collapse of Hitler and his Nazi Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheow Wee Hock View Post
    Hi RAM,

    I don't know what you are ranting about. I am not targeting preterists. We ALL tend to see Jews in the negative light; the enemy of God....because they demanded Christ be crucified and now the curse is on them. I don't think we should see them in this way but rather feel for them who have suffered so much in the holocaust; the innocent victims of Hitler's insanity. I don't think God wanted Jews to suffer so much in the holocaust either. Anyway, God has done justice with the eventual collapse of Hitler and his Nazi Germany.

    Many Blessings.
    Hello my friend,

    I didn't think I was "ranting" - sorry you took it that way.

    And I don't think we all see Jews in a negative light. It all depends on which Jews you focus on. If you focus on the fact that Jesus and his mother Mary and Peter and Paul and James and John were Jews, then you will probably have a very positive view of Jews. But if you focus on the Jews that killed Christ and persecuted the first Christians, then you might forget that those Christians were also Jews and you might mistakenly think that "Jews" in general are "bad." But that would be an error.

    As for the holocaust, that is a mystery. If I were a Jew I would have a hard time reading Leviticus 26 in light of the holocaust:
    Leviticus 26:14 ' But if you do not obey Me, and do not observe all these commandments, 15 and if you despise My statutes, or if your soul abhors My judgments, so that you do not perform all My commandments, but break My covenant, 16 I also will do this to you: I will even appoint terror over you, wasting disease and fever which shall consume the eyes and cause sorrow of heart. And you shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. 17 I will set My face against you, and you shall be defeated by your enemies. Those who hate you shall reign over you, and you shall flee when no one pursues you. 18 ' And after all this, if you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. 19 I will break the pride of your power; I will make your heavens like iron and your earth like bronze. 20 And your strength shall be spent in vain; for your land shall not yield its produce, nor shall the trees of the land yield their fruit. 21 ¶ ' Then, if you walk contrary to Me, and are not willing to obey Me, I will bring on you seven times more plagues, according to your sins. 22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, destroy your livestock, and make you few in number; and your highways shall be desolate. 23 ¶ ' And if by these things you are not reformed by Me, but walk contrary to Me, 24 then I also will walk contrary to you, and I will punish you yet seven times for your sins. 25 And I will bring a sword against you that will execute the vengeance of the covenant; when you are gathered together within your cities I will send pestilence among you; and you shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy. 26 When I have cut off your supply of bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall bring back your bread by weight, and you shall eat and not be satisfied. 27 ¶ ' And after all this, if you do not obey Me, but walk contrary to Me, 28 then I also will walk contrary to you in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins. 29 You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters. 30 I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars, and cast your carcasses on the lifeless forms of your idols; and My soul shall abhor you. 31 I will lay your cities waste and bring your sanctuaries to desolation, and I will not smell the fragrance of your sweet aromas. 32 I will bring the land to desolation, and your enemies who dwell in it shall be astonished at it. 33 I will scatter you among the nations and draw out a sword after you; your land shall be desolate and your cities waste.
    I'm not saying that the holocaust fulfilled these passages (which seems to have been fulfilled first in the Babylonian exile, read Lamentations, and again the destruction by the Romans), but they do show that God is "capable" of punishing the Jews with something like the holocaust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheow Wee Hock View Post
    I hate to say this but it seems Adolf Hitler was a Catholic preterist. That probably explains why he wanted to exterminate all the Jews (no pun to current preterists whom I believe are not against the Jews):

    http://jesus-messiah.com/html/preterism-hitler.html

    Excerpts:
    Adolph Hitler: first a Catholic preterist, second a socialist utopia demon, third, a criminal who purged by liquidation cleansing, millions of Jews whom he saw as Christ killers and unworthy of a place in his millennial preterist utopia kingdom. Plus, the Aryan race descended from the Indo-European bloodline back to Japhath while the Jews descended from the seed of Shem via Syria. He also had hundreds of thousands of Protestants killed who disagreed with his millennial socialist preterism, although the Protestants he killed were mostly preterist themselves..........Adolph Hitler, according to his confession in Mein Kemp said he was a Catholic and always would be. This means he was a preterist and followed Rome's interpretation consisting of dominionism and world control. He was eager to maximize the feelings of Catholic and Lutheran preterist in his death camps, ovens, and gas chambers. He knew the Lutheran and Catholic preterist would not protest his dominion conquest of the world, believing he was doing it for God.


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    The writer has many false and twisted assumptions and beliefs of the fulfilled perspectives based on his perspective of the Catholic eschatology. Namely and especially dominion-reconstructionist by force under the name of the Catholic church. The phallic tower in the center of St Peter's square reveals the nature of the Catholic ritualistic side of the religion. It's the same tower that is in D.C.; in London, (English Imperialism or Anglo Israelism) and in the supreme court building of Israel. (babylonian Talmudism; Judaism) RAM: take note of the associations with Babylon/Nimrod, in direct defiance of the "Way" of Life and of redemption in the Creator. Thus, the supposed catholic "Reich" AND the Jews of babylonian talmudism/judaism were and in some aspects still are both under the same headship and religion. In 1871, Albert Pike supposedly conceived a plan that 3 world wars were neccessary to accomplish the goals of world dominion. The 2nd world war was pre-planned and pre-orchestrated by those heads and leaders. Search Google for Albert Pike: 3 world wars.

    To associate modern day 'fulfilled' perspectives with the Catholic domnionism or Alcazar's interpretations is untrue. I notice that his wall of respect is empty.

    Since the writer doesn't openly discuss the particular scriptures with which he differs, it's impossible to interact with all the misunderstandings that he has and especially of the non-catholc perspective; and impossible to interact with his apparent futurist leanings. To LUMP all who hold to the fulfilled version of most scriptures with the so called 'preterism' of the catholic doctrines is simply wrong. The apostles, the early church and so forth did not understand the dominion that was given to them to be militarily advanced by them.

    No further comment. The article seems to have some truths, but is designd to stir emotion and hate against anything called 'preterism' as evidenced through his labeling of pictures and by lumping all perspectives together under these supposed perspectives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheow Wee Hock View Post
    I hate to say this but it seems Adolf Hitler was a Catholic preterist.
    What an absurd statement. Hitler was not a Catholic and he was not a preterist. He was a murdering monster who I'm sure couldn't have cared less about Christ, or whether the Olivet discourse was fulfilled in AD70 or not.

    As for this amateur hour website:

    http://jesus-messiah.com/html/preterism-hitler.html

    The first definition of preterism is incorrect at the most basic level. They describe partial preterism and call it full preterism.

    "Preterism= the second coming of Jesus and the resurrection occurred in 70AD. We are now living in the millennial with the end of the world being the next event. All prophecy is fulfilled except part of Revelation chapter 21, and all of chapter 22. This false doctrine is also known as:
    Full-preterism"


    I suggest you actually read the link before referencing such nonsense Cheow.

    You will be taken more seriously Cheow if you debate the merits of preterism with Scripture rather than parrot a fool's comments about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basilfo View Post
    What an absurd statement. Hitler was not a Catholic and he was not a preterist. He was a murdering monster who I'm sure couldn't have cared less about Christ, or whether the Olivet discourse was fulfilled in AD70 or not.

    As for this amateur hour website:

    http://jesus-messiah.com/html/preterism-hitler.html

    The first definition of preterism is incorrect at the most basic level. They describe partial preterism and call it full preterism.

    "Preterism= the second coming of Jesus and the resurrection occurred in 70AD. We are now living in the millennial with the end of the world being the next event. All prophecy is fulfilled except part of Revelation chapter 21, and all of chapter 22. This false doctrine is also known as:
    Full-preterism"


    I suggest you actually read the link before referencing such nonsense Cheow.

    You will be taken more seriously Cheow if you debate the merits of preterism with Scripture rather than parrot a fool's comments about it.
    Hitler was

    a) a baptized catholic

    b) a preterist.

    The preterist God being a murdering monster.

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    Sylvy.. Is it (a) or (b)? Maybe both? Have heard that Hitler planned to re-write the New Testament -- what about that?
    And, if the preterist god is as bad as that, why are so many praising him?
    Dux allows: "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out the matter". Pr25:2

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