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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig.Paardekooper View Post
    Richard,

    I suspect that Revelations 21 contains a parallel pattern to Genesis 1v1 since both passages talk about the creation of a heaven and earth + both contain the cube of 12.

    Do you know how I can do my own Hebrew gematria so I can investigate this. Is there a recommended software program that I should use?

    If not, do you know of anyone who has already analysed the Gematria of this passage?

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    Craig
    Hello Craig
    I must ask you to forgive me in advance if I appear to be patronising or condescending. I know that yout letter is addressed to Richard. In this life, we often overlook the obvious. I wonder if you have missed seeing the full Greek-Hebrew gematria on this site. I have very little knowledge of Greek or hebrew but it is of enormous help to me. It even does the adding up for you. Good to have you around
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    Thanks Alec for pointing that out

    Thankyou Alec for pointing out that resource. It is never patronising to tell someone, even if they already know (which I didn't). I am glad you brought the Gematria database to my attention. I had seen it before but wasn't aware of all it's functions. Many thanks.

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    The New Jerusalem Pattern mirrors the Genesis 1 pattern

    The occurrence of a mysterious cube based on 12 cubed at both the beginning and end of the Bible, caused me to look for other parallels between these verses. This impression was reinforced by the fact that both references to this cube occur in the context of the creation of Heaven and earth. Consequently I decided to see if the creation verse in Genesis 1 v 1 bore any gematrical relationship to the creation verse in Revelations 21 v 1

    The New Heavens and New Earth of Revelations 21 v 1 is spoken of in these words -

    "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was nolonger any sea"

    This verse parallels the Genesis 1 v 1 verse

    "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"

    Vernon has shown that Genesis 1 v 1 is a multiple of 37
    Genesis 1 v 1 = 37 x 73

    Vernons Web

    Vernon also has shown that Genesis 1 v 1 forms two distinct parts -
    the last two words add to 703, the 37th triangular number
    the first five words add to 1998 = 3 x 666

    This structure has been very thoroughly demonstrated by Vernon. Infact Genesis 1 v 1 may be represented by a triangle - thus -



    Notice how the verse consists of a central triangle (703, the 37th triangular number) surrounded by three triangles each of 666

    Now let us turn to the creation verse in Revelations 21 v 1

    Using Richards Gematria database and the NestleAland Greek NT we obtain a gematria of 7326 for this verse

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    7326 is a multiple of 37

    7326 = 37 x 3 x 66

    7326 = 6600 + 660 + 66


    Genesis 1 v 1 = T37 + 3 x 666

    Revelations 21 v 1 = 37 x (3 x 66)


    Whats more, when the two verses are combined we get

    2701 + 7326 = 10027 a digital rearrangement of 2701

    10027 = 271 x 37 , 271 being itself a digital permutation of 2701


    So the original speculation I posted some weeks back was a question as to the gematria of Revelations 21 v 1 which I suspected would have a mathematical relationship to Genesis 1 v 1. We find that Rev 21 v 1 is
    1) a multiple of 37
    2) breaks down in to (66 + 66 + 66) x 37
    3) Sums with Gen 1 v 1 to give a cyclic permutation of 2701

    No doubt further parallels will emerge as we look deeper
    Last edited by Craig.Paardekooper; 12-23-2009 at 10:25 AM. Reason: update

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig.Paardekooper View Post
    The occurrence of a mysterious cube based on 12 cubed at both the beginning and end of the Bible, caused me to look for other parallels between these verses. This impression was reinforced by the fact that both references to this cube occur in the context of the creation of Heaven and earth. Consequently I decided to see if the creation verse in Genesis 1 v 1 bore any gematrical relationship to the creation verse in Revelations 21 v 1

    The New Heavens and New Earth of Revelations 21 v 1 is spoken of in these words -

    "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was nolonger any sea"

    This verse parallels the Genesis 1 v 1 verse

    "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"

    Vernon has shown that Genesis 1 v 1 is a multiple of 37
    Genesis 1 v 1 = 37 x 73

    Vernons Web

    Vernon also has shown that Genesis 1 v 1 forms two distinct parts -
    the last two words add to 703, the 37th triangular number
    the first five words add to 1998 = 3 x 666

    This structure has been very thoroughly demonstrated by Vernon. Infact Genesis 1 v 1 may be represented by a triangle - thus -



    Notice how the verse consists of a central triangle (703, the 37th triangular number) surrounded by three triangles each of 666

    Now let us turn to the creation verse in Revelations 21 v 1

    Using Richards Gematria database and the NestleAland Greek NT we obtain a gematria of 7326 for this verse

    Link

    7326 is a multiple of 37

    7326 = 37 x 3 x 66

    7326 = 6600 + 660 + 66


    Genesis 1 v 1 = T37 + 3 x 666

    Revelations 21 v 1 = 37 x (3 x 66)


    Whats more, when the two verses are combined we get

    2701 + 7326 = 10027 a digital rearrangement of 2701

    10027 = 271 x 37 , 271 being itself a digital permutation of 2701
    Oh, my God! This is a tremendous discovery Craig!

    Creation and New Creation are united by the same numeric structure! Before I opened this thread I was thinking in terms of the New Jerusalem as New Creation and how that would explain the connection between the two Cubes. The "cube of Creation" in the beginning and the "cube of the New Creation/Jerusalem" in the end.

    But now you've really nailed it. Rose, Cheow, Richard and I recently discussed how Rev 21:1 is directly linked to Gen 1:1. (see Spoke 21 (John) chapter - Rev.21:verse, correlation) And now you "just happen" to note this alphanumeric link between the two!

    Glory be to the God Most High! This finding is stupendous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig.Paardekooper View Post
    The occurrence of a mysterious cube based on 12 cubed at both the beginning and end of the Bible, caused me to look for other parallels between these verses. This impression was reinforced by the fact that both references to this cube occur in the context of the creation of Heaven and earth. Consequently I decided to see if the creation verse in Genesis 1 v 1 bore any gematrical relationship to the creation verse in Revelations 21 v 1

    The New Heavens and New Earth of Revelations 21 v 1 is spoken of in these words -

    "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was nolonger any sea"

    This verse parallels the Genesis 1 v 1 verse

    "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"

    Vernon has shown that Genesis 1 v 1 is a multiple of 37
    Genesis 1 v 1 = 37 x 73

    Vernons Web

    Vernon also has shown that Genesis 1 v 1 forms two distinct parts -
    the last two words add to 703, the 37th triangular number
    the first five words add to 1998 = 3 x 666

    This structure has been very thoroughly demonstrated by Vernon. Infact Genesis 1 v 1 may be represented by a triangle - thus -



    Notice how the verse consists of a central triangle (703, the 37th triangular number) surrounded by three triangles each of 666

    Now let us turn to the creation verse in Revelations 21 v 1

    Using Richards Gematria database and the NestleAland Greek NT we obtain a gematria of 7326 for this verse

    Link

    7326 is a multiple of 37

    7326 = 37 x 3 x 66

    7326 = 6600 + 660 + 66


    Genesis 1 v 1 = T37 + 3 x 666

    Revelations 21 v 1 = 37 x (3 x 66)


    Whats more, when the two verses are combined we get

    2701 + 7326 = 10027 a digital rearrangement of 2701

    10027 = 271 x 37 , 271 being itself a digital permutation of 2701


    So the original speculation I posted some weeks back was a question as to the gematria of Revelations 21 v 1 which I suspected would have a mathematical relationship to Genesis 1 v 1. We find that Rev 21 v 1 is
    1) a multiple of 37
    2) breaks down in to (66 + 66 + 66) x 37
    3) Sums with Gen 1 v 1 to give a cyclic permutation of 2701

    No doubt further parallels will emerge as we look deeper
    Wow! That incredible!!!! I'm sure many more treasures are yet to be found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig.Paardekooper View Post
    Now let us turn to the creation verse in Revelations 21 v 1

    Using Richards Gematria database and the NestleAland Greek NT we obtain a gematria of 7326 for this verse

    Link

    7326 is a multiple of 37

    7326 = 37 x 3 x 66

    7326 = 6600 + 660 + 66


    Genesis 1 v 1 = T37 + 3 x 666

    Revelations 21 v 1 = 37 x (3 x 66)


    Whats more, when the two verses are combined we get

    2701 + 7326 = 10027 a digital rearrangement of 2701

    10027 = 271 x 37 , 271 being itself a digital permutation of 2701


    So the original speculation I posted some weeks back was a question as to the gematria of Revelations 21 v 1 which I suspected would have a mathematical relationship to Genesis 1 v 1. We find that Rev 21 v 1 is
    1) a multiple of 37
    2) breaks down in to (66 + 66 + 66) x 37
    3) Sums with Gen 1 v 1 to give a cyclic permutation of 2701

    No doubt further parallels will emerge as we look deeper
    Very interesting! The connection with Genesis is profound. The prime number 271 = Hex(10) = the Tenth Centered Hexagonal number. It is interwoven with the prime number 37 = Hex(4) = the Fourth Centered Hexagonal number in the Creation Holograph (see The First Day):





    The text divides symmetrically so that each of the geometric primes occurs twice. The image represents these four identities:

    271 x 3 = 813 = And God said, Let there be light: and there was light

    271 x 3 = 813 = and God divided the light from the darkness

    37 x 3 x 12 = 1776 = And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good.

    37 x 3 x 12 = 1776 = And God saw the light, that it was good. And God divided the light from the darkness.

    The Number 271 is very closely related to the the Holographic Generating Set (27, 37, 73, 137) from which the entire integrated mathematical structure of Gen 1:1-5 and John 1:1-5 can be derived. It is one of the prime factors that appear early in the repdigits:

    R3 = 999 = 27 x 37
    R5 = 99999 = 271 x 369
    R8 = 99999999 = R4 x 73 x 137

    Thus we see that the primary creation passages are built upon geometric prime numbers that are profoundly integrated with the repdigits which are the key to restoring unity after division.

    Note the similarity between R3 and R5:

    R3 = 27 x 37
    R5 = (270 + 1) x (370 - 1)

    There's a lot to dig into here. Thanks guys!

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    Another point of interest:
    Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
    We have the identity:

    The Altar (το θυσιαστηριον,to thusiasterion) = 1728 = 12 x 12 x 12 = 12^3

    Now the number 1728 is one less than the sum of the 9th and 10th cubes:

    10^3 + 9^3 = 12^3 + 1

    And the number 271 is equal to their difference:

    10^3 - 9^3 = 271

    So there is some very significant geometry based on cubes that unites the creation texts and relates them to the Holy of Holies and the New Jerusalem which are both defined as cubes in Scripture.
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    Thanks Richard

    Hi Richard,

    Thanks for your input about the creation holograph. I hadn't realised how much 271 plays in Genesis 1.

    I read your link just now -

    Link to Creation Holograph

    I must admit, I am quite stunned to realise the part it plays

    Whatsmore, thankyou for reminding me about 271 being a hex number.



    Craig
    Last edited by Craig.Paardekooper; 12-23-2009 at 03:27 PM.

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    Info from Stephen Coneglan

    Stephen Coneglan just posted me this information, and I am passing it on to everyone.

    Isaiah 65:17
    "Behold, I create new heavens and a new earth."

    Written hinnei bora shamayim chadashim wa'eretz chadashah in Hebrew.
    This functions as an intertext for Revelation 21:1.

    The gematria of this excerpt comes to 1690, as with the nouns at words [1, 3, 5 and 7] of Genesis 1:1.

    1690 = 13 x 130

    The direct objects of the excerpt are shamayim and eretz, as in Genesis 1:1.
    The verb is bora, as in Genesis 1:1, though here written plene.

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    More from Stephen Coneglan

    Mark 13:31

    "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away"

    The phrase "Heaven and earth" is written o ouranos kai hei gai in Greek.
    This exact Greek form appears elsewhere in the NT text.
    The gematria of this excerpt sums to 1011


    Matthew 6:10

    "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven." Written eltheto hei basileia sou geneitheito to theleima sou os en ouranoi kai epi tais gais in Greek of TR.
    NA27 text omits tais, but in its textual apparatus notes strong evidence for its inclusion by citing many Greek manuscripts which have tais before gais.
    The verse gematria sums to 7733.
    7733 = 703 x 11.
    703 = words [6 and 7] of Genesis 1:1, w'eth ha'eretz, "and the earth".
    11 = gai, "earth".
    7733 = 11 x 19 x 37.
    19 = hei gai, "the earth."

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