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    That's a weird question! He was the 2nd Adam, and serves as an example of how we can be born "of God". Since he was w/o sin, he didn't need to be born again, as required for the rest of us .. (not including babies, idiots, or pets, of course) - hah!
    Dux allows: "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out the matter". Pr25:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by duxrow View Post
    That's a weird question! He was the 2nd Adam, and serves as an example of how we can be born "of God". Since he was w/o sin, he didn't need to be born again, as required for the rest of us .. (not including babies, idiots, or pets, of course) - hah!

    Wasn't the parable of the prodigal son about himself?

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    No Way, Jose -- The "prodigal" story is about US -- whether we stayed home with loving family, or left to sow wild oats. We're welcomed back, the story goes.. There may be alternatives to the story; like how the brother who didn't sow wild oats should have been more understanding.. You think?
    Dux allows: "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out the matter". Pr25:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by duxrow View Post
    That's a weird question! He was the 2nd Adam, and serves as an example of how we can be born "of God". Since he was w/o sin, he didn't need to be born again, as required for the rest of us .. (not including babies, idiots, or pets, of course) - hah!

    Where it says that he was without sin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by duxrow View Post
    No Way, Jose -- The "prodigal" story is about US -- whether we stayed home with loving family, or left to sow wild oats. We're welcomed back, the story goes.. There may be alternatives to the story; like how the brother who didn't sow wild oats should have been more understanding.. You think?

    Welcomed back?

    Luke 15:7,

    I tell you, in just the same way there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous people who have no need of repentance.

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    Welcomed Back, yes -- You came as an innocent babe requiring diapers, and grew to fight for your perceived 'rights' and take those things that 'belong to you', and sow your wild oats, but hopefully you come to your senses and return to the God of your childhood.. amen?
    Dux allows: "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out the matter". Pr25:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by duxrow View Post
    Welcomed Back, yes -- You came as an innocent babe requiring diapers, and grew to fight for your perceived 'rights' and take those things that 'belong to you', and sow your wild oats, but hopefully you come to your senses and return to the God of your childhood.. amen?
    The God of my childhood was my own thumb.

    The ninety-nine righteous who have no need of repentance told me not to suck on it. It was a bad habit, they said, even a sin.

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    Why ae there430 years between each Covenant

    If we are to believe the Massoretic text of the Bible, then there appear to be 430 years between each Covenant
    So Noah to Abraham = 430 years
    Abraham to Moses = 430 years
    Moses to David = 430 years
    David to Exile = 430 years

    But why 430 years??

    Well one part of the reason would seem to be that in 430 years there are 70 Sabbath years or years of rest.

    But what is a year of rest? It is a year when all the sins are forgiven and slaves are set free and allowed to return to their homeland. When nature itself is allowed to rest, unfarmed and unharvested, and food is shared with the poor. In other words a Sabbath Year is a year of forgiveness.

    That's why God chose to come near to mankind every 70 Sabbath Years - it was a special time of forgiveness - when a holy God could draw close to a sinful mankind - that's why we find a new covenant every 430 years.

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    The 430 yr. figure would be more interesting to me if it compared better to the 400th anniversary of the King James Bible.. and the Two (2) Covenants of Gal 4:24 have always overshadowed those minor? covenants of Rainbow, Jonathan, etc. - for me, anyhow..

    Adam died age 930 -- 70 yrs. prior to the 2nd millennium.

    The 50 chapters of Genesis (Pre-Law) add to the 7x7+1 Jubile (type of new beginning... many "news", like new-creature, new-leaven,new hidden man, etc.
    Dux allows: "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out the matter". Pr25:2

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    and the Two (2) Covenants of Gal 4:24 have always overshadowed those minor? covenants of Rainbow, Jonathan, etc. - for me, anyhow..
    The covenants with Noah, Abraham, Moses and David were followed by a new covenant of sorts 430 years after David.

    As I outline in "One God Many Faces", 430 years after David there was a religious revolution within all the gentile nations. Virtually simultaneously across all the main centres of civilisation there arose a new consciousness centred on compassion, and direct experience of the divine rather than mediated through a priesthood.

    See http://www.craigdemo.co.uk/onegod.pdf

    In the very generation that God announced the seventy years of captivity for Israel, several gentile religions were founded - perhaps God made a covenant with the gentiles and set them free.

    The Christ covenant was the final attempt by God to avert disaster for Israel. It was made 40 years prior to the end of the nation. Its central tenets were compassion, inner spiritual devotion, and in many ways it resembled the tenets of the world religions of the Axial Age. But it was God's last attempt with Israel. However, the Messiah was executed and 40 years later the nation was also terminated - 770 years after it had been spared from the Assyrians, and 660 years after Ezekiel had first witnessed the sign of the Son of Man, and on the same day (10th Av) that the first temple had been destroyed.
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