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gilgal
04-07-2009, 12:18 PM
http://www.biblewheel.com/images/GreatSeal_BothSides_redbg.jpg (http://www.biblewheel.com/Gr/GR_GreatSeal.asp)
Looking at the base stone you'll see the date 1776 in Roman numerals. One of the thematically strong symbol is the eye which is also what the 16th Hebrew letter is: Ayin (meaning eye). Then the date 1776 is 111x16, a multiple of 16. And then the word foundation is frequently used in spoke 16.

Also 1776 falls in, that's right! Spoke 16!
Take away the 80 22s from 1776 and you're left with 16.

Richard Amiel McGough
04-08-2009, 11:22 AM
http://www.biblewheel.com/images/GreatSeal_BothSides_redbg.jpg (http://www.biblewheel.com/Gr/GR_GreatSeal.asp)
Looking at the base stone you'll see the date 1776 in Roman numerals. One of the thematically strong symbol is the eye which is also what the 16th Hebrew letter is: Ayin (meaning eye). Then the date 1776 is 111x16, a multiple of 16. And then the word foundation is frequently used in spoke 16.

Also 1776 falls in, that's right! Spoke 16!
Take away the 80 22s from 1776 and you're left with 16.
Hi Gilgal,

There are many fascinating connections between the seal and the number 16. Most notable is that the number MDCCLXXVI (1776) naturally divides into three triplets (MDC-CLX-XVI) that are each multiples of 16:

MDC = 16 x 100
CLX = 16 x 10
XVI = 16 x 1

Furthermore, the idea of a "stone" forms a strong link between Zechariah and 1 Peter on Spoke 16, and the idea of a "stone pyramid" is strongly associtated with the historical person of Zechariah, as seen here in this picture of Zechariah's Tomb in Israel:

http://www.biblewheel.com/images/tombofzechariah.gif

I talked about this a bit in this post (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/showpost.php?p=218&postcount=11).

Richard

gilgal
05-06-2010, 10:21 AM
Hi Gilgal,

There are many fascinating connections between the seal and the number 16. Most notable is that the number MDCCLXXVI (1776) naturally divides into three triplets (MDC-CLX-XVI) that are each multiples of 16:

MDC = 16 x 100
CLX = 16 x 10
XVI = 16 x 1

Furthermore, the idea of a "stone" forms a strong link between Zechariah and 1 Peter on Spoke 16, and the idea of a "stone pyramid" is strongly associtated with the historical person of Zechariah, as seen here in this picture of Zechariah's Tomb in Israel:

http://www.biblewheel.com/images/tombofzechariah.gif

I talked about this a bit in this post (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/showpost.php?p=218&postcount=11).

Richard
Oh this I haven't realized! But I get confused between Zechariah's tomb and Zedekiah's.

Richard Amiel McGough
05-06-2010, 11:22 AM
Oh this I haven't realized! But I get confused between Zechariah's tomb and Zedekiah's.
Yeah, the connections run very deep.

gilgal
05-09-2010, 10:49 PM
Yeah, the connections run very deep.
I noticed 1 Peter mentioned the stones and links with Matthew 16 just as 2Peter links with Matthew 17.

Rose
05-10-2010, 07:10 AM
I noticed 1 Peter mentioned the stones and links with Matthew 16 just as 2Peter links with Matthew 17.

Hi Gilgal,

Isn't that cool! :specool:

Here's a link to a Thread I started on some of the cool connections in Matt.16. (http://biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1378)


Rose

gilgal
05-10-2010, 02:48 PM
Hi Gilgal,

Isn't that cool! :specool:

Here's a link to a Thread I started on some of the cool connections in Matt.16. (http://biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1378)


Rose
Thanks. So Petros and Petra...what's the difference?

Richard Amiel McGough
05-10-2010, 10:11 PM
Thanks. So Petros and Petra...what's the difference?
Petros is masculine and Petra is feminine. Here is what Thayer's says concerning Matt 16:18:
some interpretations regard the distinction between petra, the massive living rock, and petros, a detached but large fragment, as important for the correct understanding of this passage; others explain the different genders here as due first to the personal then to the material reference.
I go with the second option. There is no meaningful difference - it just would have been really weird for Jesus to give Peter the feminine name Petra.

gilgal
05-10-2010, 11:03 PM
Petros is masculine and Petra is feminine. Here is what Thayer's says concerning Matt 16:18:
some interpretations regard the distinction between petra, the massive living rock, and petros, a detached but large fragment, as important for the correct understanding of this passage; others explain the different genders here as due first to the personal then to the material reference.
I go with the second option. There is no meaningful difference - it just would have been really weird for Jesus to give Peter the feminine name Petra.

Is there another word to which Petra is attached to which makes it feminine? Faith? or what?

Richard Amiel McGough
05-11-2010, 10:09 AM
Is there another word to which Petra is attached to which makes it feminine? Faith? or what?
What do you mean by "attached"?

Protestants have taken it to signify the "Rock" of Faith - Peter's testimony that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, but this is obviously motivated by their attempt to refute the Catholic claim that this passage confirms Peter is the first Pope. But there is no need to invent a lousy argument to confute the Catholic doctrine because their doctrine is not really established in this verse anyway. There is nothing in the Bible about Popes and an institutional priesthood, so there is no need to invent an lousy interpretation to refute it.

gilgal
05-11-2010, 11:03 AM
What do you mean by "attached"?

Protestants have taken it to signify the "Rock" of Faith - Peter's testimony that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, but this is obviously motivated by their attempt to refute the Catholic claim that this passage confirms Peter is the first Pope. But there is no need to invent a lousy argument to confute the Catholic doctrine because their doctrine is not really established in this verse anyway. There is nothing in the Bible about Popes and an institutional priesthood, so there is no need to invent an lousy interpretation to refute it.
No I'm not pointing to the Popes. I'm trying to understand the Greek grammar. Why masculine/feminine?

gilgal
06-06-2010, 10:57 PM
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_moneymisterymagick.htm
Concerning the eagle:

Obadiah 1:4
Though thou exalt [thyself] as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.

The eagle is headed to the stars. Edom had this vision and so does America.

I wonder if he is taking the 13 arrows and 13 branches to build his nest?

gilgal
06-23-2010, 08:26 PM
I wonder if sepulcher has any significance:

Mark 16

1And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

2And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

3And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?

4And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.

5And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted.

6And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.

7But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you.

8And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulchre; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.

9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

10And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept.

11And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.

12After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

13And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them.

14Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

19So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

20And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
...since Zechariah's tomb is spoken of.

And how about this:

2 Chronicles 16
14And they buried him in his own sepulchres, which he had made for himself in the city of David, and laid him in the bed which was filled with sweet odours and divers kinds of spices prepared by the apothecaries' art: and they made a very great burning for him.

Victor
07-24-2010, 01:50 PM
No I'm not pointing to the Popes. I'm trying to understand the Greek grammar. Why masculine/feminine?

That's very simple. In English, nouns often do not have a gender like Greek does. Let's say, the word Wisdom. You don't see a gender in English, but, in Greek, it is feminine - sophia.

Now, the word Rock in Greek is petra. It is feminine. If Christ wanted to give Simon a new name that meant Rock, it wouldn't be fitting to call him Petra, since he was a male and petra is feminine. So He called him Petros, a masculinized form.

There's no such problem in Aramaic. Rock is kephas, but there's no gender conflict in that word, so Christ called Simon by the name of Kephas:

Joh 1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
If Matthew was first written in Aramaic as it is traditionally held, Christ's recorded words were probably "thou art Cephas, and upon this cephas I will build my church."

gilgal
07-24-2010, 01:58 PM
That's very simple. In English, nouns often do not have a gender like Greek does. Let's say, the word Wisdom. You don't see a gender in English, but, in Greek, it is feminine - sophia.

Now, the word Rock in Greek is petra. It is feminine. If Christ wanted to give Simon a new name that meant Rock, it wouldn't be fitting to call him Petra, since he was a male and petra is feminine. So He called him Petros, a masculinized form.

There's no such problem in Aramaic. Rock is kephas, but there's no gender conflict in that word, so Christ called Simon by the name of Kephas:

Joh 1:42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
If Matthew was first written in Aramaic as it is traditionally held, Christ's recorded words were probably "thou art Cephas, and upon this cephas I will build my church."

Cephas... I'm going to look into that. Thanks.

Victor
07-24-2010, 02:10 PM
I wonder if sepulcher has any significance:



You have found a Spoke 16 KeyLink!

Mar 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
Mar 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

2Ch 16:14 And they buried him in his own sepulchres, which he had made for himself in the city of David, and laid him in the bed which was filled with sweet odours and divers kinds of spices prepared by the apothecaries' art: and they made a very great burning for him.
The "sepulchre" theme links to the "gates of hell" (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1705) motif.

Mad Mick
08-01-2010, 10:59 AM
Yes books 14 and 41 links to Christ, see my post on missing three kings.

gilgal
10-22-2011, 09:19 PM
Zechariah 4:7 KJV - Who [art] thou, O great [1419] mountain [2022]? before [6440] Zerubbabel [2216] [thou shalt become] a plain [4334]: and he shall bring forth [3318] the headstone [68 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H68&t=KJV)] [7222 (http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=H7222&t=KJV)] [thereof with] shoutings [8663], [crying], Grace [2580], grace [2580] unto it.