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gilgal
03-25-2009, 10:24 PM
It seems to me not a coincidence that the tribe of Dan was more mentioned in the book of Judges (7th book) and that Dan is the 7th son overall of Jacob (Bilhah's 1st son though).


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Genesis 30
1 And when Rachel saw that she bare Jacob no children, Rachel envied her sister; and said unto Jacob, Give me children, or else I die.
2 And Jacob's anger was kindled against Rachel: and he said, Am I in God's stead, who hath withheld from thee the fruit of the womb?
3 And she said, Behold my maid Bilhah, go in unto her; and she shall bear upon my knees, that I may also have children by her.
4 And she gave him Bilhah her handmaid to wife: and Jacob went in unto her.
5 And Bilhah conceived, and bare Jacob a son.
6 And Rachel said, God hath judged me, and hath also heard my voice, and hath given me a son: therefore called she his name Dan.
7 And Bilhah Rachel's maid conceived again, and bare Jacob a second son.
8 And Rachel said, With great wrestlings have I wrestled with my sister, and I have prevailed: and she called his name Naphtali.
9 When Leah saw that she had left bearing, she took Zilpah her maid, and gave her Jacob to wife.
10 And Zilpah Leah's maid bare Jacob a son.
11 And Leah said, A troop cometh: and she called his name Gad.
12 And Zilpah Leah's maid bare Jacob a second son.
13 And Leah said, Happy am I, for the daughters will call me blessed: and she called his name Asher.
14 And Reuben went in the days of wheat harvest, and found mandrakes in the field, and brought them unto his mother Leah. Then Rachel said to Leah, Give me, I pray thee, of thy son's mandrakes.
15 And she said unto her, Is it a small matter that thou hast taken my husband? and wouldest thou take away my son's mandrakes also? And Rachel said, Therefore he shall lie with thee to night for thy son's mandrakes.
16 And Jacob came out of the field in the evening, and Leah went out to meet him, and said, Thou must come in unto me; for surely I have hired thee with my son's mandrakes. And he lay with her that night.
17 And God hearkened unto Leah, and she conceived, and bare Jacob the fifth son.
18 And Leah said, God hath given me my hire, because I have given my maiden to my husband: and she called his name Issachar.
19 And Leah conceived again, and bare Jacob the sixth son.
20 And Leah said, God hath endued me with a good dowry; now will my husband dwell with me, because I have born him six sons: and she called his name Zebulun.
21 And afterwards she bare a daughter, and called her name Dinah.
22 And God remembered Rachel, and God hearkened to her, and opened her womb.
23 And she conceived, and bare a son; and said, God hath taken away my reproach:
24 And she called his name Joseph; and said, The LORD shall add to me another son.
25 And it came to pass, when Rachel had born Joseph, that Jacob said unto Laban, Send me away, that I may go unto mine own place, and to my country.
26 Give me my wives and my children, for whom I have served thee, and let me go: for thou knowest my service which I have done thee.
27 And Laban said unto him, I pray thee, if I have found favor in thine eyes, tarry: for I have learned by experience that the LORD hath blessed me for thy sake.
28 And he said, Appoint me thy wages, and I will give it.
29 And he said unto him, Thou knowest how I have served thee, and how thy cattle was with me.
30 For it was little which thou hadst before I came, and it is now increased unto a multitude; and the LORD hath blessed thee since my coming: and now when shall I provide for mine own house also?
31 And he said, What shall I give thee? And Jacob said, Thou shalt not give me any thing: if thou wilt do this thing for me, I will again feed and keep thy flock.
32 I will pass through all thy flock to day, removing from thence all the speckled and spotted cattle, and all the brown cattle among the sheep, and the spotted and speckled among the goats: and of such shall be my hire.
33 So shall my righteousness answer for me in time to come, when it shall come for my hire before thy face: every one that is not speckled and spotted among the goats, and brown among the sheep, that shall be counted stolen with me.
34 And Laban said, Behold, I would it might be according to thy word.
35 And he removed that day the he goats that were ring-streaked and spotted, and all the she goats that were speckled and spotted, and every one that had some white in it, and all the brown among the sheep, and gave them into the hand of his sons.
36 And he set three days' journey betwixt himself and Jacob: and Jacob fed the rest of Laban's flocks.
37 And Jacob took him rods of green poplar, and of the hazel and chestnut tree; and pilled white streaks in them, and made the white appear which was in the rods.
38 And he set the rods which he had pilled before the flocks in the gutters in the watering troughs when the flocks came to drink, that they should conceive when they came to drink.
39 And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ring-streaked, speckled, and spotted.
40 And Jacob did separate the lambs, and set the faces of the flocks toward the ring-streaked, and all the brown in the flock of Laban; and he put his own flocks by themselves, and put them not unto Laban's cattle.
41 And it came to pass, whensoever the stronger cattle did conceive, that Jacob laid the rods before the eyes of the cattle in the gutters, that they might conceive among the rods.
42 But when the cattle were feeble, he put them not in: so the feebler were Laban's, and the stronger Jacob's.
43 And the man increased exceedingly, and had much cattle, and maidservants, and menservants, and camels, and asses.
Judges 18
1 In those days there was no king in Israel: and in those days the tribe of the Danites sought them an inheritance to dwell in; for unto that day all their inheritance had not fallen unto them among the tribes of Israel.
2 And the children of Dan sent of their family five men from their coasts, men of valor, from Zorah, and from Eshtaol, to spy out the land, and to search it; and they said unto them, Go, search the land: who when they came to mount Ephraim, to the house of Micah, they lodged there.
3 When they were by the house of Micah, they knew the voice of the young man the Levite: and they turned in thither, and said unto him, Who brought thee hither? and what makest thou in this place? and what hast thou here?
4 And he said unto them, Thus and thus dealeth Micah with me, and hath hired me, and I am his priest.
5 And they said unto him, Ask counsel, we pray thee, of God, that we may know whether our way which we go shall be prosperous.
6 And the priest said unto them, Go in peace: before the LORD is your way wherein ye go.
7 Then the five men departed, and came to Laish, and saw the people that were therein, how they dwelt careless, after the manner of the Zidonians, quiet and secure; and there was no magistrate in the land, that might put them to shame in any thing; and they were far from the Zidonians, and had no business with any man.
8 And they came unto their brethren to Zorah and Eshtaol: and their brethren said unto them, What say ye?
9 And they said, Arise, that we may go up against them: for we have seen the land, and, behold, it is very good: and are ye still? be not slothful to go, and to enter to possess the land.
10 When ye go, ye shall come unto a people secure, and to a large land: for God hath given it into your hands; a place where there is no want of any thing that is in the earth.
11 And there went from thence of the family of the Danites, out of Zorah and out of Eshtaol, six hundred men appointed with weapons of war.
12 And they went up, and pitched in Kirjathjearim, in Judah: wherefore they called that place Mahanehdan unto this day: behold, it is behind Kirjathjearim.
13 And they passed thence unto mount Ephraim, and came unto the house of Micah.
14 Then answered the five men that went to spy out the country of Laish, and said unto their brethren, Do ye know that there is in these houses an ephod, and teraphim, and a graven image, and a molten image? now therefore consider what ye have to do.
15 And they turned thitherward, and came to the house of the young man the Levite, even unto the house of Micah, and saluted him.
16 And the six hundred men appointed with their weapons of war, which were of the children of Dan, stood by the entering of the gate.
17 And the five men that went to spy out the land went up, and came in thither, and took the graven image, and the ephod, and the teraphim, and the molten image: and the priest stood in the entering of the gate with the six hundred men that were appointed with weapons of war.
18 And these went into Micah's house, and fetched the carved image, the ephod, and the teraphim, and the molten image. Then said the priest unto them, What do ye?
19 And they said unto him, Hold thy peace, lay thine hand upon thy mouth, and go with us, and be to us a father and a priest: is it better for thee to be a priest unto the house of one man, or that thou be a priest unto a tribe and a family in Israel?
20 And the priest's heart was glad, and he took the ephod, and the teraphim, and the graven image, and went in the midst of the people.
21 So they turned and departed, and put the little ones and the cattle and the carriage before them.
22 And when they were a good way from the house of Micah, the men that were in the houses near to Micah's house were gathered together, and overtook the children of Dan.
23 And they cried unto the children of Dan. And they turned their faces, and said unto Micah, What aileth thee, that thou comest with such a company?
24 And he said, Ye have taken away my gods which I made, and the priest, and ye are gone away: and what have I more? and what is this that ye say unto me, What aileth thee?
25 And the children of Dan said unto him, Let not thy voice be heard among us, lest angry fellows run upon thee, and thou lose thy life, with the lives of thy household.
26 And the children of Dan went their way: and when Micah saw that they were too strong for him, he turned and went back unto his house.
27 And they took the things which Micah had made, and the priest which he had, and came unto Laish, unto a people that were at quiet and secure: and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and burnt the city with fire.
28 And there was no deliverer, because it was far from Zidon, and they had no business with any man; and it was in the valley that lieth by Bethrehob. And they built a city, and dwelt therein.
29 And they called the name of the city Dan, after the name of Dan their father, who was born unto Israel: howbeit the name of the city was Laish at the first.
30 And the children of Dan set up the graven image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land.
31 And they set them up Micah's graven image, which he made, all the time that the house of God was in Shiloh.

Victor
03-26-2009, 02:43 PM
Gilgal,

You missed one thing: Dan was the 5th son of Jacob, not the 7th. But I don't think that is much of a problem, because God gave us more than one sequence of Jacob's sons in Scripture, and in the sequence outlined in the blessings of Genesis 49, Dan is 7th son mentioned (that's where you probably got the link from). I wonder if that means there's more than one number associated to each tribe. And that seems to be a more advanced study.

So Dan relates to Spoke 5 because it links to both Deuteronomy and Daniel (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/showpost.php?p=7244&postcount=45). Richard wrote about this subject:

When Jacob blessed Dan, he said "Dan shall judge his people" [Gen 49:16] and in Deuteronomy, Moses says "The Lord shall judge His people" and that phrase is very rare; it appears elsewhere only in Ps 135.14. And Daniel aligns with Deuteronomy on Spoke 5. [Dan and Daniel have an obvious common root.]
But since Dan is the seventh son blessed by Jacob, there may be something else going on with the Number 7 and Dan.

First, Dan means Judge and the Seventh Book is the Book of Judges! The Hebrew words are different but the sense is the same.
The theme that "the Lord shall judge" in Dan's blessing is very strong in both Judges and Joel on Spoke 7.
This same phrase is also found in Psalm 7.
His name is clearly maximized on Spoke 7 because of the many mentions in the Book of Judges. (There's also a secondary peak on Spoke 4 because of Numbers and Ezekiel, and that links to the fact that Dan begins with Dalet, the fourth letter.)
The sofit value of his name is 704 (linking to both 7 and 4).
Samson was a Danite and he was a judge in Israel in Book 7, perhaps in fulfillment of the words "Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel".
In the New Testament, there's only one listing of the tribes. It is in Revelation 7, and, guess what?, Dan is missing in this chapter 7! It is a kind of emphasis through absence.So there's pretty much stuff that links Dan to both Spokes 5 and 7. Maybe there's much more into this.

gilgal
03-26-2009, 04:16 PM
Gilgal,

You missed one thing: Dan was the 5th son of Jacob, not the 7th. But I don't think that is much of a problem, because God gave us more than one sequence of Jacob's sons in Scripture, and in the sequence outlined in the blessings of Genesis 49, Dan is 7th son mentioned (that's where you probably got the link from). I wonder if that means there's more than one number associated to each tribe. And that seems to be a more advanced study.

So Dan relates to Spoke 5 because it links to both Deuteronomy and Daniel (http://www.biblewheel.com/Forum/showpost.php?p=7244&postcount=45). Richard wrote about this subject:

When Jacob blessed Dan, he said "Dan shall judge his people" [Gen 49:16] and in Deuteronomy, Moses says "The Lord shall judge His people" and that phrase is very rare; it appears elsewhere only in Ps 135.14. And Daniel aligns with Deuteronomy on Spoke 5. [Dan and Daniel have an obvious common root.]
But since Dan is the seventh son blessed by Jacob, there may be something else going on with the Number 7 and Dan.

First, Dan means Judge and the Seventh Book is the Book of Judges! The Hebrew words are different but the sense is the same.
The theme that "the Lord shall judge" in Dan's blessing is very strong in both Judges and Joel on Spoke 7.
This same phrase is also found in Psalm 7.
His name is clearly maximized on Spoke 7 because of the many mentions in the Book of Judges. (There's also a secondary peak on Spoke 4 because of Numbers and Ezekiel, and that links to the fact that Dan begins with Dalet, the fourth letter.)
The sofit value of his name is 704 (linking to both 7 and 4).
Samson was a Danite and he was a judge in Israel in Book 7, perhaps in fulfillment of the words "Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel".
In the New Testament, there's only one listing of the tribes. It is in Revelation 7, and, guess what?, Dan is missing in this chapter 7! It is a kind of emphasis through absence.So there's pretty much stuff that links Dan to both Spokes 5 and 7. Maybe there's much more into this.

You got a point. Dan was the 5th son overall not the 7th. But since it was mentioned that Zebulun was Leah's 6th son then she bare Dinah The feminine word for Dan then Dinah is clearly the 7th of Leah.

I wonder though. Genesis 49 says that Dan shall judge his people and Deuteronomy 32 says that God shall judge his people. Is there anything that shows in Daniel that one or two of these cases are true?

Victor
03-26-2009, 04:58 PM
You got a point. Dan was the 5th son overall not the 7th. But since it was mentioned that Zebulun was Leah's 6th son then she bare Dinah The feminine word for Dan then Dinah is clearly the 7th of Leah.
This is amazing!! So we have another link between Judging and the Number 7, with an interplay between the sequences of Genesis 30 and 49 via the name of Jacob's daughter!


I wonder though. Genesis 49 says that Dan shall judge his people and Deuteronomy 32 says that God shall judge his people. Is there anything that shows in Daniel that one or two of these cases are true?

Very good question! We find the answer in Daniel (Spoke 5) chapter 7 (Spoke 7):

Daniel 7:9-10 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
We find both God and His People judging in Daniel 7! Since Israel pictures God's People, I suppose the tribe of Dan could be seen as a type of God's People acting as Judges (= Dan)!

gilgal
03-26-2009, 09:03 PM
This is amazing!! So we have another link between Judging and the Number 7, with an interplay between the sequences of Genesis 30 and 49 via the name of Jacob's daughter!



Very good question! We find the answer in Daniel (Spoke 5) chapter 7 (Spoke 7):

Daniel 7:9-10 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
We find both God and His People judging in Daniel 7! Since Israel pictures God's People, I suppose the tribe of Dan could be seen as a type of God's People acting as Judges (= Dan)!

Fascinating Victor!
It seems to me that spoke 5 and 7 have almost similar themes. Look at Ephesians and Colossians concerning "Psalms and hymns and spiritual songs..." then Revelation 5 and 7 (I think).

Victor
03-27-2009, 04:47 PM
It seems to me that spoke 5 and 7 have almost similar themes. Look at Ephesians and Colossians concerning "Psalms and hymns and spiritual songs..." then Revelation 5 and 7 (I think).

Right on target! And Ephesians and Colossians have MANY more themes in common. There's much going in this relationship between Spokes 5 and 7. I wish I had the time to present it. There's also a link between Revelation 5 and 7.