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rodgertutt
10-12-2008, 10:41 AM
WHAT I WISH I HAD KNOWN DURING MY YOUTH

How I recovered from a 12 year nervous breakdown (1966-78) I’m 71

My name is Rodger Tutt. I am 71 years old. I could have avoided a horrific twelve year nervous breakdown (1966-78) had I known as a youth about the following information concerning what a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches

You can access my website through Google by typing in hope4you rodger tutt, or
My website is http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/

You can also access most of the following writings through Google by typing in the title.

BOOKS THAT SHOW THAT THE BIBLE TEACHES UNIVERSAL SALVATION,
THE ENTIRE CONTENTS OF WHICH CAN BE READ ONLINE

If necessary, copy and paste the following urls into the address bar.

0. ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE IN JESUS CHRIST – Charles Slagle
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html
1. HOPE BEYOND HELL - Gerry Beauchemin (recently published)
http://hopebeyondhell.net/Revised_Edition.pdf
2. CHRIST TRIUMPHANT - Thomas Allin
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ChristTriumphant.htm
3. THE BIBLE HELL - J.W. Hanson
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/TheBibleHell.html
4. THE ORIGIN AND HISTORY OF THE DOCTRINE OF ENDLESS PUNISHMENT – Thomas Thayer
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/OriginandHistory.html
5. THE OUTCOME OF INFINITE GRACE – Dr. Loyal Hurley
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/infinitegrace.htm
6. JUST WHAT DO YOU MEAN "HELL" - J. Preston Eby
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/hell.htm
7. ONE HUNDRED SCRIPTURAL PROOFS THAT JESUS CHRIST WILL SAVE ALL MANKIND - Thomas Whittemore
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ScripturalProofs.html
8. TWENTY-FOUR SERMONS ON UNIVERSAL SALVATION – John Bovee Dods
http://www.tentmaker.org/Bovee2.htm#Top
9. THE SECOND DEATH AND THE RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS – Andrew Jukes
http://www.tentmaker.org/restitutionindex.htm
10. ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY REASONS FOR BELIEVING IN THE FINAL SALVATION OF ALL MANKIND – Erasmus Manford
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/150reasons.html
11. THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS – J. Patching
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/RichManandLazarus-Patching.html
12. BIBLE TRANSLATIONS THAT DO NOT TEACH ETERNAL TORMENT – Gary Amirault
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/GatesOfHell.html
13. AION – AIONIOS – John Wesley Hanson
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html
14. BIBLE THREATENINGS EXPLAINED – John Wesley Hanson
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html
15. THE CASE OF JUDAS, ETCETERA
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter16.html
16. THE PROBLEM OF EVIL – John Essex
AND THE ROLE OF THE ADVERSARY – James Webb
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/TheProblemofEvil.html
17. HIS ACHIEVEMENT ARE WE – James Coram
http://concordant.org/expohtml/HisAchievement/index.html
18. THE RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS – Andrew jukes
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/jukes2.html
19. THE RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS – George Hawtin
http://www.godfire.net/restitutionHawtin.html
20. THE SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD SERIES – J. Preston Eby
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/index.htm
ESPECIALLY THIS ONE IN THAT SERIES
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/circularity.htm

Richard Amiel McGough
10-12-2008, 10:59 AM
Dear Roger,

Welcome to our forum:

:welcome:

Theology has consequences! I would like to learn more about your "breakdown" and how this was related to the false theology you had been taught.

Many blessings,

Richard

rodgertutt
10-12-2008, 11:02 AM
Dear Roger,
Welcome to our forum:
:welcome:
Theology has consequences! I would like to learn more about your "breakdown" and how this was related to the false theology you had been taught.
Many blessings,
Richard

My testimony contains information that, according to the many entries in my guest book, and the many positive emails in my email file folders, is helping many people. My guest book can be accessed towards the bottom of my front page at
http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/

Also see the testimonies at http://www.tentmaker.org/visitorcomments.htm

Also see http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/hells_fruit.html

My guest book only holds 150 messages. Then the oldest ones are automatically deleted to make room for the newest ones.

SO MUCH SUFFERING is caused by the horrific false doctrine of endless suffering in hell, that it gives me great pleasure to guide people to the evidence that a correctly (literally, not interpretively) translated Bible teaches universal salvation, not endless suffering in hell, or even annihilation.

We agree with fundamentalist Christians that we should not believe things that go against Biblical teaching. We don’t.
http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/universalism-is-not-in-the-bible.htm

I'm 71, and I am acquainted with many people who are, or were in various stages of nervous breakdown over their inability to love a god who would let anyone suffer forever. Even though they have embraced Christ and His gospel, they are afraid of what God might do to them after they are raised from the dead for not being able to love Him. The information in my testimony has helped many of these people.

I myself suffered a twelve year nervous breakdown (1966-78) because of my inability to love an endless-hell god. I’m 69 now.

If any member or surfer on forums is suffering because they are unable to successfully emotionally cope with the idea that God is going to let any creature suffer forever, they can Google up the search engine at the top of the TENTMAKER front page. Just type in a key word or phrase from each argument or scripture passages and ten articles will appear that refute the eternal hell and annihilationist doctrines.
Then click to the next page and ten more articles will appear, and so on and so on for many pages.

Most fundamentalist Christians are not even aware that there are two sides to the argument about what the Bible teaches.
I have exhaustively studied both sides myself. This debate nearly always ends with the words, "My Greek scholars are more reliable than your Greek scholars," and the result is a stalemate.

If your readers think it glorifies God more to believe that He is going to let some of His creatures suffer forever, then they should keep believing that.
But if they think it glorifies God more to eventually meet everyone on the level of their greatest and deepest need, which is a change in their stubborn will, then I would like them to know that that is exactly what the Bible teaches that God is like.

I am a Concordant Christian. I have read and recorded gleanings into my more than four thousand page personal journal from most of the back issues of UNSEARCHABLE RICHES that has been published back to 1909. Every argument that I have ever heard against the Bible teaching universal salvation have been repeatedly dealt with in these magazines.

http://www.concordant.org/unsearchable/UnsearchableRiches.html

Largely, but not exclusively, because of the contents in these magazines, I am convinced that the evidence in support of the Bible teaching universal salvation is irrefutable. That is why the argument that we should teach endless suffering in hell just in case it might be true is unacceptable to me. IMHO the greatest of all manifestations of God's grace in action on this earth is that anyone can believe in "eternal suffering" for anyone and not have a nervous breakdown thinking about it.

Here are several Concordant websites.
http://www.concordant.org/
http://www.saviourofall.org/
http://gtft.org/
http://www.tentmaker.org/

Regarding arguments against the Bible teaching universal salvation, see
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/BibleThreateningsExplained.html

Any hell that anyone will experience the Bible calls "kolasis aionian," which means age-during corrective chastisement.
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/asw/Chapter11.html

It is limited in duration, and corrective in purpose.
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html

Regarding the most common argument that the same word for "punishment" is also used for "life" see the following:
All three of these articles should be studied with care, especially the third one.

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/eon1.html
http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/eon2.html
http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/eon3.html

also see:

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/aion.html
http://concordant.org/version/tranprin.html

I also would like to leave you with one more link. I am going to guide you to the testimony of a man whose experience was almost identical to mine. Even the thought processes that took him into, through, and out of his breakdown are the same as mine. Only he is more eloquent in telling his story than I am in telling mine. His name is Charles Slagle.
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Absolute-Assurance-in-Jesus-Christ.html

It may begin to change your thinking.

The url of my own site is
http://greater-emmanuel.org/Hope4You/

God bless you in your study!
From Rodger Tutt in Toronto, Canada

Rose
10-13-2008, 08:02 AM
Hi Roger :yo:

:welcome: to the forum. Here's a post from another thread I thought you might enjoy reading.


Originally Posted by Victor
1. Torah
2. OT History
3. Wisdom Books
4. Major Prophets ç The canonical heart
5. Minor Prophets
6. NT History
7. Epistles

The Major Prophets stand in the center of the top-level sevenfold division. It is the canonical heart of Scripture.

But we are not just looking for the heart, but for the Heart of hearts of the Bible! We proceed to the next structural level: the Books. We take this heart we’ve just found – the Major Prophets – and look for its center:

Isaiah
Jeremiah
Lamentations ç The heart of the Major Prophets
Ezekiel
Daniel

Lamentations is a very special book, different from all other books in this canonical division. It is the heart of the Major Prophets. But there’s one last structural level to zoom in – the chapter level. What is the central chapter of Lamentations?

Chapter 1
Chapter 2
Chapter 3 ç The heart of Lamentations
Chapter 4
Chapter 5
So I took a closer look at the heart of the heart of the heart of Scripture, that is, Lamentations 3:33, and found this:

Lamentations 3:33 For he doth not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of men.

The word translated as "willingly" is the Hebrew מלבו (millibo) which literally means "from His heart"!

Is that not an utterly perfect message to be found hidden in the heart of the heart of the heart of the heart of Scripture? The affliction we receive from our Loving God is for our good and He suffers with us ... it is not "from His heart" - which we know to be LOVE, for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Amen! :pray:

Thanks Victor! Your insights led to more of God's Treasure.

RichardIn the heart of hearts of Gods Word we see a very special verse indeed! It is speaking from Gods heart, His true desire for the children of men....that they "all mankind" would not be afflicted with grief from Him.

What a merciful God we serve. :pray:

Rose

rodgertutt
10-13-2008, 09:33 AM
Read and study the following scriptures and allow your spirit to soar to heavenly heights as the Spirit of Truth guides you into the riches of His kingdom and His love for you, your family, your friends, and the enemies in your mind.

1Tim 2:4 God will have all to be saved. (KJV) Can His will be thwarted?
1Tim 2:4 God desires all to come to the knowledge of truth Will His desire come to pass?
1Tim 2:6 Salvation of all is testified in due time Are we judging God before due time?
Jn 12:47 Jesus came to save all Will He succeed?
Eph 1:11 God works all after the counsel of His will Can your will overcome His?
Jn 4:42 Jesus is Savior of the world Can He be Savior of all without saving all?
1Jn 4:14 Jesus is Savior of the world Why don't we believe it?
Jn 12:32 Jesus will draw all mankind unto Himself To roast or to love?
Col 1:16 By Him all were created Will He lose a part of His creation?
Rm 5:15-21 In Adam all condemned, in Christ all live The same all?
1Cor 15:22 In Adam all die, in Christ all live Again, the same all?
Eph 1:10 All come into Him at the fullness of times Are you getting tired of seeing the word, all?
Phl 2:9-11 Every tongue shall confess Jesus is Lord Will the Holy Spirit be given to everyone?
1 Cor 12:3 Cannot confess except by Holy Spirit See what I mean?
Rm 11:26 All Israel will be saved But most Jews don't believe yet!
Acts 3:20,21 Restitution of all How plain can you get?
Luke 2:10 Jesus will be joy to all people Is there joy is "hell"?
Heb 8:11,12 All will know God How long, O Lord?
Eph 2:7 His grace shown in the ages to come Have we judged Him before the time?
Titus 2:11 Grace has appeared to all Experientially to prophetically?
Rm 8:19-21 Creation set at liberty How much of creation?
Col 1:20 All reconciled unto God There's that word "all" again.
1Cor 4:5 All will have praise of God What for?
Jms 5:11 End of the Lord is full of mercy Is "hell" mercy?
Rev 15:4 All nations worship when God's judgments are seen Could His judgment be mercy?
Rm 11:32 All subject to unbelief, mercy on all All?
Rm 11:36 All out of, through, and into Him All into Him?
Eph 4:10 Jesus will fill all things Including "hell?"
Rev 5:13 All creation seen praising God Including Satan?
1Cor 15:28 God will be all in all What does that mean, preacher?
Rev 21:4,5 No more tears, all things made new "All" made new?
Jn 5:25 All dead who hear will live How many will hear?
Jn 5:28 All in the grave will hear & come forth How will the "righteous" judge, judge?
1 Cor 3:15 All saved, so as by fire How can fire save you?
Mk 9:49 Everyone shall be salted with fire Including you?
Rm 11:15 Reconciliation of the world Will fire save the world instead of destroy it?
2Cor 5:15 Jesus died for all Did He died in vain?
Jn 8:29 Jesus always does what pleases His Father What pleases the Father? (1Tim 2:4)
Heb 1:2 Jesus is Heir of all things Does "things" include people?
Jn 3:35 All has been given into Jesus' hands Can you accept this?
Jn 17:2 Jesus gives eternal life to all that His Father gave Him How many did the Father give Him?
Jn 13:35 The Father gave Him all things Study the word "things" in the Greek.
1 Tim 4:9-11 Jesus is Savior of all! Can't seem to get away from that word "all."
Heb. 7:25 Jesus is able to save to the uttermost How far is "uttermost?"
1Cor 15:26 Last enemy, death, will be destroyed Including "lake of fire" which is "second death?"
Is 46:10 God will do all His pleasure Does Old Testament agree with the New?
Gen 18:18 All families of the earth will be blessed Here comes that word "all" again.
Dan 4:35 God's will done in heaven and earth What can defeat His will?
Ps 66:3,4 Enemies will submit to God Can any stay rebellious in "hell?"
Ps 90:3 God turns man to destruction, then says return How can one return from "destruction?"
Is 25:7 Will destroy veil spread over all nations All nations?
Deut 32:39 He kills and makes alive Kills to bring life?
Ps 33:15 God fashions all hearts "All" hearts, including men like "Hitler?"
Prv 16:9 Man devises, God directs his steps What about "free will?"
Prv 19:21 Man devises, but God's counsel stands So much for "free will."
La 3:31,32 God will not cast off forever Why does He cast off in the first place? (1 Cor 11)
Is 2:2 All nations shall flow to the Lord's house "All" nations?
Ps 86:9 All nations will worship Him "All" nations!
Is 45:23 All descendants of Israel justified Including the wicked ones?
Ps 138:4 All kings will praise God Are you catching on?
Ps 65:2-4 All flesh will come to God That sounds wondrous.
Ps 72:18 God only does wondrous things I wish we would believe that.
Is 19:14,15 Egypt & Assyria will be restored Really?
Ezk 16:55 Sodom will be restored to former estate Sounds impossible.
Jer 32:17 Nothing is too difficult for Him Nothing? No, nothing!
Ps 22:27 All ends of the earth will turn to Him For what purpose?
Ps 22:27 All families will worship before Him Praise His name!
Ps 145:9 He is good to all Including your worst enemies.
Ps 145:9 His mercies are over all his works Let's start believing that.
Ps 145:14 He raises all who fall Who hasn't fallen in sin?
Ps 145:10 All His works will praise Him For "eternal torment?"
Is 25:6 Lord makes a feast for all people And you are invited.
Jer 32:35 Never entered His mind to torture his children with fire This came from the carnal mind.
Jn 6:44 No one can come to Him unless He draws them You can't "chose" to follow Him.
Jn 12:32 I will draw all mankind unto Myself Amen!!!
Ps 135:6 God does what pleases Him If it pleases Him to save all that He might be in all, are you upset?