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sylvius
04-16-2017, 10:43 AM
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Richard Amiel McGough
04-16-2017, 08:11 PM
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Yep. That's pretty much how it seems to me.

How you been sylvius?

sylvius
04-17-2017, 07:12 AM
Yep. That's pretty much how it seems to me.

How you been sylvius?

So is there not just physical evolution but also spiritual evolution?

Would this also be the meaning of "God is spirit"?

John 4:24,
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth

God being the highest level of spiritual evolution? The target and the end of all evolution?

Richard Amiel McGough
04-17-2017, 09:33 AM
So is there not just physical evolution but also spiritual evolution?

Would this also be the meaning of "God is spirit"?

John 4:24,
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth

God being the highest level of spiritual evolution? The target and the end of all evolution?
It's not impossible, and it might be a nice idea, but I have no reason to think it true. Do you?

sylvius
04-17-2017, 10:05 AM
It's not impossible, and it might be a nice idea, but I have no reason to think it true. Do you?

I do

Revelation 22:13,

ἐγὼ τὸ Ἄλφα καὶ τὸ Ὦ, ὁ πρῶτος καὶ ὁ ἔσχατος, ἡ ἀρχὴ καὶ τὸ τέλος.


τέλος = end, target, purpose

Richard Amiel McGough
04-17-2017, 02:37 PM
I do

Revelation 22:13,

ἐγὼ τὸ Ἄλφα καὶ τὸ Ὦ, ὁ πρῶτος καὶ ὁ ἔσχατος, ἡ ἀρχὴ καὶ τὸ τέλος.


τέλος = end, target, purpose
You mean you think God evolved, that he's not eternal? There was a time before he existed? He is not the creator?

sylvius
04-17-2017, 09:48 PM
You mean you think God evolved, that he's not eternal? There was a time before he existed? He is not the creator?


I thought eternity exists in every single moment of time and that every moment of time is eternal, the eternal one surpassing time, i.e. the one is and who was and who is coming (ὁ ὢν καὶ ὁ ἦν καὶ ὁ ἐρχόμενος, Revelation 1:8)

Richard Amiel McGough
04-18-2017, 07:38 AM
I thought eternity exists in every single moment of time and that every moment of time is eternal, the eternal one surpassing time, i.e. the one is and who was and who is coming (ὁ ὢν καὶ ὁ ἦν καὶ ὁ ἐρχόμενος, Revelation 1:8)
What then does the word "eternity" even mean?

What does it mean to "surpass time"?

What does it mean to say that "every moment of time is eternal"?

I am not sure that the word "eternity" has any meaning at all.

sylvius
04-18-2017, 08:47 AM
What then does the word "eternity" even mean?

What does it mean to "surpass time"?

What does it mean to say that "every moment of time is eternal"?

I am not sure that the word "eternity" has any meaning at all.

Eternal is what not passes away

Like "this generation" of the Olivet discourse :winking0071:

Isaiah 40:8, יָבֵשׁ חָצִיר נָבֵל צִיץ וּדְבַר אֱלֹהֵינוּ יָקוּם לְעוֹלָם


LXX,
(v.7) ἐξηράνθη ὁ χόρτος καὶ τὸ ἄνθος ἐξέπεσεν
τὸ δὲ ῥῆμα τοῦ θεοῦ ἡμῶν μένει εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα

cf. Mark 13:13,

ὁ δὲ ὑπομείνας εἰς τέλος οὗτος σωθήσεται.

davidjayjordan
08-18-2017, 08:06 AM
So is there not just physical evolution but also spiritual evolution?

Would this also be the meaning of "God is spirit"?

John 4:24,
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth

God being the highest level of spiritual evolution? The target and the end of all evolution?

Ridiculous conclusion.... evolution is an untruth, and God has not evolved and changed as you hoped for in your new religion.

The Great I AM, is was and will always be the same...... perfection cant be made more perfect.

Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever.

This is why people that have received the Lord of Lords, have confidence in his eternal, unchanging principles...because they are established and set....and can be trusted, just as He can be trusted.

Spiritual evolution is a twisting of a physical lie into a spiritual lie, that tickles the ears of listeners and readers.

The only change a person can get, must come from outside their bodies and spirits. This is called 'new birth' or salvation or similiar words and phrases.

You can not lift yourself up, the FORCE must come from outside and above. Sorry just a spiritual, physical truth.

Please dont extend the term and impossibility of evolutionary theory to the spiritual. It totally negates your words, and can totally negate your life, if you think you can spiritually evolve by yourself via some magical beneficial mutations.