View Full Version : Christian Dilemmas

04-29-2014, 08:43 PM
A three part series on the many dilemmas that riddle the doctrines of Christianity.




07-27-2017, 06:39 AM
I thought I would add the following to your post here. Perhaps it will be helpful
at least to encourage all of us to THINK. it is not intended to belittle anyone,
nor is it intended to divide. It is only intended to help us stop and think
about the construct of religion and its origins, and how enslaving it can be.

I did not write the following, although it mirrors some things I have come to see
over the years, after being on the inside as a young man for years, and saw how so many
people are often manipulated emotionally, how threats of a vengeful god keeps
people in a state of fear and controls their every thought and demands them to
submit OR ELSE. It is this "else" we really need to understand if we are to realize
how religion attempts to control us for its own obvious benefit.

It is something to ponder and think critically about, so as not to be living in cognitive dissonance.
I have come to realize that I have no interest in following a god that many believe supports
violence and bloodshed against its own creation, that he himself subjected to failure and futility
and then condemns this very creation because of it. It fails to make sense and should be
viewed for what it is. (see Romans 8 in regards to creation and whose WILL it was that subjected it to
frailty and futility, and who it was NOT.)

Perhaps the bible as well as other sacred texts is mostly allegory and should be viewed as
a type of "astro-theology" that follows what many religions have throughout history...the
fascination of the planets that were converted into "gods" that men thought to bow down to.

What ever happened to the beautiful simplicity of "love your neighbor as yourself, and treat others
as you desire to be treated"? A universal principle that appears to have been exchanged for
dogma's, doctrines, and ritual. No man needs religious belief in order to be a decent moral person.
I say be very wary of ANY ideology or belief that separates you from other human beings and
divides humanity based upon a religion.

Have a good day :)

Video: Origin of Christianity

Religion is designed to focus the people's attention and energy on a single, unchanging, uncompromising and invisible supreme being who allegedly created an inferior human race just for some extra companionship and love for himself and then supposedly foisted a set of oppressive and in some cases arbitrary rules on them, which if broken would be met with unimaginable punishment.

This keeps the followers in a continuing state of fear and compliance.

They are afraid to question the intentions of this invisible being and they are afraid of even expressing their own individuality in many cases. Christians and others are taught that they have virtually no power to do anything except pray, worship and do good deeds.

They are taught to practice self denial and are told that their own will is totally irrelevant. Religious followers believe that they are yielding their will over to a benevolent cosmic individual who has single-handedly created the whole universe and has their best interests at heart when in fact they are handing over their will and freedoms to hidden groups of religious elites for the elites own personal gains.

It appears that religion must constantly degrade and humiliate its followers in order to glorify and elevate its god. Unfortunately many people appear eager to give away their power to authority and seem to have a need and even a desire to be ruled and disciplined by it.

Worshiping gods is futile and is nothing more than an ancient primitive custom practiced by weak minded and superstitious people. It has no place in the 21st century. The reason we have life in this world is to experience life in this world, not to spend our entire lives studying an old book, looking up to the sky and worshiping an invisible ruler in another realm.

The main method by which Christians in particular are trapped and deceived is with the messiah or saviour story. This is linked to the 'original sin' story which is designed to impose a large amount of guilt onto the whole of humanity. The believers are then so grateful that they have been saved by the son (sun) of God nearly 2000 years before they were born that in some cases they abandon all reason, logic and good judgment to obey and worship this god and his son.

Anyone who believes this story is indeed lost because to believe that a god would send his only son to help us, only to see his son get tortured and murdered, and then instead of unleashing all his wrath, simply absolve us from all crimes past and present, is pure madness to say the least.

Where is the lesson for us in that? What has been achieved? There is no lesson or purpose because it's all about mass psychological enslavement and dis-empowerment.

The so called god that we are expected to worship is undoubtedly just a dictator strawman concocted by the religious elites for the purpose of controlling the masses.

If there is a prime creator in this universe then it is unlikely that he would interfere and impose on us by foisting his arbitrary laws, let alone need and demand our frivolous worship and blind obedience. Neither of those things requires any level of mental aptitude or creativity. The intelligence and skills that's been given to many has gone totally to waste.

Many have lowered themselves to the pointless practice of hero worship.

Furthermore, Christianity, Islam and a few other religions are polarized religions. They are polarized against each other. One is believed to be good and the other is seen as bad. The funny thing is, is that each one thinks that their's is good and the other's is bad. In most ways they're both bad. The only good kind of religion is a neutral and all loving one.

Polarized religions have been devised by influential elite leaders to play the people off against each other. That way the elite can defeat and enslave the population practically without lifting a finger.

Religion is like a drug to some. And they need a 2000 year old hero to save them - from themselves that is!

The churches don't permit their followers to have any real truth and knowledge because that would empower the people too much so they spoon feed them kiddie stories, half truths, distortions and even lies and the followers value it highly even though they must spend the rest of their lives just making sense of it.

The irony is that religion is pretty much man made, so mankind has really brought this onto themselves.

The religious elites are not totally to blame because many people actually enjoy listening to mystical sounding stories, performing rituals, customs and traditions, playing polarity roles and dramas and waging battles against what they perceive to be a devil boogie man. They also have a secret fetish to be dominated and ruled with an iron fist by a supreme ruler or king.

After all these centuries people still haven't learned to take back their power and start taking responsibility for themselves .


What is God?
Is there a white bearded old man up there creating and presiding over everything?

If there is then what are all the zillions of other smart and creative souls doing in the cosmos besides sitting on their hands?

For millennia people have been asking this question but there is one thing that some have thought might be the answer, and that is that maybe collectively WE are God.

God might be like a computer CPU and we might be the millions of transistors inside it.

There is no master transistor (God) which gives life to all the others and on which all the others depend. We each function independently and also as one. One of the transistors (Jesus) did possibly emerge briefly to show us an example of a better way to operate but we are all equally part of the CPU as was he.

Essentially we could be God's guts.

Why would we need a big master when in the higher realms (which could be our destination), we will know everything and we will be able to govern ourselves?

We really have no real need to be ruled and dictated to.


What is worship?
Worship is the act of sending/offering love, devotion and gratitude to a deity or idol.

They say that love is understanding and yet no one really understands God at all. How can you love something or someone whom you can neither understand or communicate with properly?

Love and worship is also about admiration, adoration and gratitude but how can one feel these things towards someone whom they've never seen or spent time with?

No God has ever asked anyone to worship him so man's desire to worship a deity is nothing more than an ego based need to make himself feel useful to a god who otherwise probably has no real use for anything man has to offer.

There is no evidence that whatever or whoever created us needs us to worship them because the probability is that if we were created by a god or an advanced race then they were doing it for their own purpose and agenda. Why would you worship someone just for carrying out their own agenda? Would an all powerful creator create a dysfunctional bunch of lemmings just for the purpose of worship? Why then give us intelligence, free choice, diversity, individuality and a strong will and then threaten to disown or terminate us as soon as we try to use them?

If a single true God does exist then creating a race of selfish, sinful, ignorant, arrogant, egotistical, money hungry and sex obsessed beings for the sole purpose of worshiping him would have to be the stupidest thing he's ever done.

It's fairly clear that some people have allowed themselves to become ignorant and dumbed-down by the pompous tradition of religion.


Is prayer effective?
Prayer is different from worship. Unfortunately there's little information given by religion on what makes up prayer and how to use it effectively, however there is an indication that it could start with something as simple as the focusing of a positive thought towards someone or oneself.

There have been scientific tests carried out which suggest that prayer can help heal people.

Unfortunately religion focuses on negativity mostly regarding humans and teaches followers to send all the positive energy up to God. The problem here is that this positive energy is desperately needed down here on earth because here is where all the problems are that need to be solved.

We should be sending positive vibes to each other to heal each other, end wars and foster harmony, not up to the well endowed gods who have no need for it.

Greatest I am
07-20-2020, 12:25 PM
Hello Rose.

It has been a while.

Thanks for those good links.

I doubt that many Christians will care about dilemmas and contradictions in scriptures.

If they cared about the morals of Christianity and not just pampering their tribal instincts, they would not be Christians in the first place.

Christians who care about morals become Gnostic Christians.