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oxbox
02-14-2013, 02:12 PM
616

sorry folks
find all with books and on your own way
seems to be that internet is not the way for an scientist

Wolfram from Germany

God save america

Richard Amiel McGough
02-15-2013, 03:31 PM
616 a NumberTemura of שושנה 661 schoschana
and the no. of the beast means the mans name (in old aramaic)
אית־אדמ־קינ
אית is the old aramaic nota accusativi (to answer questions in hebrev)
616 seems to be the right no., also of the meaning of this no. is מרושע 'malevolent'

Hey there oxbox,

Welcome to our forum!

:welcome:

Your gematria seems rather forced to me. We all know how many possibilities there are, so if we let ourselves cherry pick using Temura and "old aramaic" and whatever we want, I don't see how we could have any confidence in that our results are anything but our own choosing. This is the biggest problem with gematria. A hundred people will have two hundred different answers. Why then should we think it means anything if there are no objective standards by which to judge?

I think the number 616 is very significant because it confirms the identity of the beast as Nero. There are two spellings of his name in Hebrew (from the wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast)):

Nron Qsr = 666: The Greek version of the name and title transliterates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transliterate) into Hebrew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew) as נרון קסר, and yields a numerical value of 666:[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast#cite_note-FOOTNOTECory200661-4)[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast#cite_note-Hillers.2C_65-30)


Resh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resh) (ר)
Samekh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samekh) (ס)
Qoph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qoph) (ק)
Nun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nun_(letter)) (נ)
Vav (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vav_(letter)) (ו)
Resh (ר)
Nun (נ)
Sum


200
60
100
50
6
200
50
666



Nro Qsr = 616: The Latin version of the name drops the second Nun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nun_(letter)) (נ), so that it appears as Nro and transliterates into Hebrew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew) as נרו קסר, yielding 616:[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast#cite_note-FOOTNOTECory200661-4)


Resh (ר)
Samekh (ס)
Qoph (ק)
Vav (ו)
Resh (ר)
Nun (נ)
Sum


200
60
100
6
200
50
616



This seems like very strong evidence to me since both values are found in ancient texts.



The greek texts of Johannes was a kabbalistic reference to the speech of Jesus: old aramaic

I was finding this solution after 20.000 hours of speech studies and only
because of many little lucky coincidences and making a mathematic mistake first.
i have informed the church several times without any response.

The old aramaic texts didn't use Aleph for the sound of the Aleph in hebrev in the beginning of a word.
Instead they use for this sound an Jod and so they hear in the sound of hebrev את 'et' (for me in german)
no sound of writing an Aleph, but they saw the original hebrev with an Aleph as beginning the nota accusativi.
So they add an Jod to write the same sound of hebrev 'et' and write אית.
The Jod or Jud (don't know in english) replaced in old aramaic the sound of 'e' (for me in german for an א)
from the hebrev את with Jud
after the soundless א

Do you have any examples of first or second century Christian writings you have any texts to support your ideas?



if you like to know more from the סוד ask me
i have since today studied over 40.000 hours of concentrated work on the old speeches and there kabbalistics

my real name include the power of raven, the symbol for gematria, Gaia measuring
i'm not a free masonary ! i was always trying to inform many people from the free masonary and the katholic church
and jews without any response ever.

Do you have a website?

All the best,

Richard

oxbox
02-16-2013, 02:04 PM
Thx for being here and Thx for your response.

The word קסר is wrong, cause it have to write קיסר (old aramaic lexica from Dalman {only in german i think})


Wolfram

God save america

Richard Amiel McGough
02-19-2013, 11:51 AM
Thx for being here and Thx for your response.

The word קסר is wrong, cause it have to write קיסר (old aramaic lexica from Dalman {only in german i think})


Wolfram

God save america
Hey there oxbow,

I don't know about "old Aramaic" but I don't see why that should matter. The Peshitta consistently uses קסר for "caesar" so that's the spelling that was probably known to the author of Revelation.

All the best,

Richard

sylvius
02-19-2013, 12:21 PM
. The Peshitta consistently uses קסר for "caesar" so that's the spelling that was probably known to the author of Revelation.




The Peshitta written in Hebrew?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshitta

sylvius
02-19-2013, 12:30 PM
I think the number 616 is very significant because it confirms the identity of the beast as Nero. There are two spellings of his name in Hebrew (from the wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast)):



No,
it says:

The Greek version of the name and title transliterates into Hebrew as נרון קסר,

and:;

The Latin version of the name drops the second Nun (נ), so that it appears as Nro and transliterates into Hebrew as נרו קסר



This seems like very strong evidence to me since both values are found in ancient texts.

Wikipedia mentions just one text:


An Aramaic scroll from Murabba'at, dated to "the second year of Emperor Nero", refers to him by his name and title

So it is very thin ice you are walking on.

Revelation seems to have been written during the reign of Domitian, years after Nero's reign.

Richard Amiel McGough
02-19-2013, 12:42 PM
The Peshitta written in Hebrew?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshitta
No, the Peshitta was written in Aramaic. But Aramaic can be written using Hebrew characters, as we seen in the Aramaic sections of Daniel for example.

Richard Amiel McGough
02-19-2013, 12:49 PM
I think the number 616 is very significant because it confirms the identity of the beast as Nero. There are two spellings of his name in Hebrew (from the wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast)):



No,
it says:

The Greek version of the name and title transliterates into Hebrew as נרון קסר,

and:;

The Latin version of the name drops the second Nun (נ), so that it appears as Nro and transliterates into Hebrew as נרו קסר

Yes, and that proves my point.




This seems like very strong evidence to me since both values are found in ancient texts.

Wikipedia mentions just one text:


An Aramaic scroll from Murabba'at, dated to "the second year of Emperor Nero", refers to him by his name and title

So it is very thin ice you are walking on.

Revelation seems to have been written during the reign of Domitian, years after Nero's reign.
The evidence that Revelation was written late is very weak - it ultimately depends upon the witness of Irenaeus who didn't do so well with numbers. E.g. he said Jesus lived past 50! :doh:

The ice is not thin. The facts all fit together to form the strongest possible conclusion. There are two Greek mss that use 616 and the two values (616 and 666) correspond to the spellings of Caesar Nero. You just don't like the facts because they don't fit with your interpretation.

If Revelation was written after 70 AD, then it is a meaningless book because it says that the events would happen "soon" for the "time" was "at hand."

sylvius
02-19-2013, 12:58 PM
No, the Peshitta was written in Aramaic. But Aramaic can be written using Hebrew characters, as we seen in the Aramaic sections of Daniel for example.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshitta



It is written in the Syriac alphabet,


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_alphabet


. The alphabet consists of 22 letters, all of which are consonants.

Cognate to Hebrew alphabet.

sylvius
02-19-2013, 01:12 PM
Yes, and that proves my point.


No it doesn't.

The name "QSR NRW(N)" seems to be just forced into it.

Even the fact that some handwritings have 616 instead of 666 makes it likely.

The copyïsts thinking that it was about Caesar Nero.



If Revelation was written after 70 AD, then it is a meaningless book because it says that the events would happen "soon" for the "time" was "at hand."

You misinterpret the "soon" and the "near".

It is always soon and always near .
like also Mark defines the Gospel,
Mark 1:15,

"The time has been fulfilled and the kingdom of God has drawn near"

Richard Amiel McGough
02-19-2013, 01:14 PM
No it doesn't.

The name "QSR NRW(N)" seems to be just forced into it.

Even the fact that some handwritings have 616 instead of 666 makes it likely.

The copyïsts thinking that it was about Caesar Nero.

There is no "forcing" of anything. The facts are the facts. There are two ways to spell Caesar Nero and those two ways "just happen" to correspond to the two variations on the number of the beast. This is strong evidence.



You misinterpret the "soon" and the "near".

It is always soon and always near .
like also Mark defines the Gospel,
Mark 1:15,

"The time has been fulfilled and the kingdom of God has drawn near"
You are the one "misinterpreting." The words mean what they mean. Nothing could be more obvious. If they mean what you say, then they have no meaning at all.

sylvius
02-19-2013, 01:18 PM
No, the Peshitta was written in Aramaic. But Aramaic can be written using Hebrew characters, as we seen in the Aramaic sections of Daniel for example.


And more: Where in the Peshitta should occur the title Caesar (written as QSR)?

Richard Amiel McGough
02-19-2013, 01:21 PM
And more: Where in the Peshitta should occur the title Caesar (written as QSR)?
Lot's of places. There are 20 verses in the NT that mention Caesar.

Richard Amiel McGough
02-19-2013, 01:23 PM
You misinterpret the "soon" and the "near".

It is always soon and always near .
like also Mark defines the Gospel,
Mark 1:15,

"The time has been fulfilled and the kingdom of God has drawn near"
The kingdom was "near" because Christ was there. This has nothing to do with the meaning of "near" when used in reference to time, as it is explicitly used in Rev 1.3 - the TIME is NEAR.

sylvius
02-19-2013, 01:29 PM
There is no "forcing" of anything. The facts are the facts. There are two ways to spell Caesar Nero and those two ways "just happen" to correspond to the two variations on the number of the beast. This is strong evidence. You mean wo ways to spell Caesar, Kaisar (Καῖσαρ) ansd Caesar, and two ways to spell the name Nero , Neron ("Nerohn"; "oh" = Omega) and Nero.






You are the one "misinterpreting." The words mean what they mean. Nothing could be more obvious. If they mean what you say, then they have no meaning at all.

Not for you, since you embraced preterism.

sylvius
02-19-2013, 01:47 PM
The kingdom was "near" because Christ was there. This has nothing to do with the meaning of "near" when used in reference to time, as it is explicitly used in Rev 1.3 - the TIME is NEAR.


In Hebrew it is the same same notion, from the root "karav" ("kuf-resh-bet"); "karov" = near; "b'karov" = soon. From this also "kerev" = inner; "b'kerev" in the midst of

cf. the question put in Exodus 17:7,
הֲיֵשׁ יְ-ה-וָ-ה בְּקִרְבֵּנוּ, אִם-אָיִן, "hayesh hashem b'kirbeinu im-ein?" -"Is the Lord in our midst or not?"


to which Matthew 28:20 provides the answer:
"See I am with you all the days until the end of time"


Always near.

Richard Amiel McGough
02-19-2013, 02:44 PM
In Hebrew it is the same same notion, from the root "karav" ("kuf-resh-bet"); "karov" = near; "b'karov" = soon. From this also "kerev" = inner; "b'kerev" in the midst of

cf. the question put in Exodus 17:7,
הֲיֵשׁ יְ-ה-וָ-ה בְּקִרְבֵּנוּ, אִם-אָיִן, "hayesh hashem b'kirbeinu im-ein?" -"Is the Lord in our midst or not?"


to which Matthew 28:20 provides the answer:
"See I am with you all the days until the end of time"


Always near.
It's common knowledge that karav can have that meaning in certain contexts. But it is a big mistake to say that it always has that meaning.

Tell me, how would the Bible refer to an event that was actually going to happen "soon"? Are you saying that's impossible?

Richard Amiel McGough
02-19-2013, 02:55 PM
Not for you, since you embraced preterism.
It has nothing to do with "me" embracing anything. It is the Bible that is "preterist". The word "preterist" merely refers to the idea that prophecies have been fulfilled, and that's the central theme of the Gospels and Acts (NT History) which speak of the fulfillment of prophecies much more than any other section of Scripture (source (http://www.biblewheel.com/Canon/SevenfoldCanon.php#Div6)):

http://www.biblewheel.com/Canon/fulfilled.gif

sylvius
02-20-2013, 02:55 AM
It's common knowledge that karav can have that meaning in certain contexts. But it is a big mistake to say that it always has that meaning.

Tell me, how would the Bible refer to an event that was actually going to happen "soon"? Are you saying that's impossible?


"near" and "soon" are relative notions.

The first word of Revelation reveals already that it is not about future events.



1Ἀποκάλυψις Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, ἣν ἔδωκεν αὐτῷ ὁ θεός, δεῖξαι τοῖς δούλοις αὐτοῦ ἃ δεῖ γενέσθαι ἐν τάχει, καὶ ἐσήμανεν ἀποστείλας διὰ τοῦ ἀγγέλου αὐτοῦ τῷ δούλῳ αὐτοῦ Ἰωάννῃ, 2ὃς ἐμαρτύρησεν τὸν λόγον τοῦ θεοῦ καὶ τὴν μαρτυρίαν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, ὅσα εἶδεν. 3μακάριος ὁ ἀναγινώσκων καὶ οἱ ἀκούοντες τοὺς λόγους τῆς προφητείας καὶ τηροῦντες τὰ ἐν αὐτῇ γεγραμμένα, ὁ γὰρ καιρὸς ἐγγύς

Ἀποκάλυψις - from καλύπτω = cover, hide

It is about the uncovering of hidden things.

Especially about the uncovering of God's name hidden in the initial letters of "yom hashishi vay'chulu hashamyim", the very central theme of NT.

Revelation 13:18 reads: "Here is the wisdom! Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, etc"

If he meant Caesar Nero he could have said it straightways: "Caesar Nero is the beast".


Interesting LXX Daniel 12:4,
καὶ σύ δανιηλ κάλυψον τὰ προστάγματα καὶ σφράγισαι τὸ βιβλίον ἕως καιροῦ συντελείας ἕως ἂν ἀπομανῶσιν οἱ πολλοὶ καὶ πλησθῇ ἡ γῆ ἀδικίας

12:9,
καὶ εἶπέν μοι ἀπότρεχε δανιηλ ὅτι κατακεκαλυμμένα καὶ ἐσφραγισμένα τὰ προστάγματα ἕως ἂν


So here καλύπτω is used tot translate Hebrew "satam"

v.4,
וְאַתָּה דָנִיֵּאל, סְתֹם הַדְּבָרִים וַחֲתֹם הַסֵּפֶר--עַד-עֵת קֵץ; יְשֹׁטְטוּ רַבִּים, וְתִרְבֶּה הַדָּעַת

v.9
וַיֹּאמֶר, לֵךְ דָּנִיֵּאל: כִּי-סְתֻמִים וַחֲתֻמִים הַדְּבָרִים, עַד-עֵת קֵץ


Daniel ending with a play on the letters "mem-s'tumah" (closed Mem) "nun-p'shutah" (outstretched Nun);

v.13,
וְאַתָּה, לֵךְ לַקֵּץ; וְתָנוּחַ וְתַעֲמֹד לְגֹרָלְךָ, לְקֵץ הַיָּמִין.

so instead of "l'keits hayamim" it reads "l'keits hayamin"

"yamin" = right hand.

Mark 14:62,

Then Jesus answered, “I am; and

‘you will see the Son of Man

seated at the right hand of the Power

and coming with the clouds of heaven.’”


coming = ἐρχόμενος , a participium praesens, present participle

the coming one = ὁ ἐρχόμενος

He is coming all of the time, every single moment new,

which is also the clue of the sayings "I am the Alpha and the Omega"

ὁ ὢν καὶ ὁ ἦν καὶ ὁ ἐρχόμενος,

who is and who was and who is coming

sylvius
02-20-2013, 10:09 AM
Revelation 22:12,

- Ἰδοὺ ἔρχομαι ταχύ,

says the same:

"see I come quick"

not: "see, I will come after a short while", not even "after a very short while"

He is coming quick, even faster than light, overtaking time.

Richard Amiel McGough
02-20-2013, 10:37 AM
Tell me, how would the Bible refer to an event that was actually going to happen "soon"? Are you saying that's impossible?
"near" and "soon" are relative notions.

The first word of Revelation reveals already that it is not about future events.



1Ἀποκάλυψις Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, ἣν ἔδωκεν αὐτῷ ὁ θεός, δεῖξαι τοῖς δούλοις αὐτοῦ ἃ δεῖ γενέσθαι ἐν τάχει, καὶ ἐσήμανεν ἀποστείλας διὰ τοῦ ἀγγέλου αὐτοῦ τῷ δούλῳ αὐτοῦ Ἰωάννῃ, 2ὃς ἐμαρτύρησεν τὸν λόγον τοῦ θεοῦ καὶ τὴν μαρτυρίαν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, ὅσα εἶδεν. 3μακάριος ὁ ἀναγινώσκων καὶ οἱ ἀκούοντες τοὺς λόγους τῆς προφητείας καὶ τηροῦντες τὰ ἐν αὐτῇ γεγραμμένα, ὁ γὰρ καιρὸς ἐγγύς

Ἀποκάλυψις - from καλύπτω = cover, hide

It is about the uncovering of hidden things.

Especially about the uncovering of God's name hidden in the initial letters of "yom hashishi vay'chulu hashamyim", the very central theme of NT.

Revelation 13:18 reads: "Here is the wisdom! Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, etc"

If he meant Caesar Nero he could have said it straightways: "Caesar Nero is the beast".

You didn't answer my question. Tell me, how would the Bible refer to an event that was actually going to happen "soon"? Are you saying that's impossible?

Your assertion that the Apocalypse is "about the uncovering of hidden things" is not entirely accurate. It is not about the uncovering of "things" but rather the uncovering of the person Jesus Christ. It declares many events that would happen "soon" for the time was "at hand."

Your hobby horse doesn't make any sense. As far as I know, you have never explained how "yom hashishi vay'chulu hashamyim" has anything to do with "the very central theme of NT."

Your assertion that John could have spoken explicitly, saying "Caesar Nero is the beast," is absurd in the context of Revelation where everything is presented in symbols.



Interesting LXX Daniel 12:4,
καὶ σύ δανιηλ κάλυψον τὰ προστάγματα καὶ σφράγισαι τὸ βιβλίον ἕως καιροῦ συντελείας ἕως ἂν ἀπομανῶσιν οἱ πολλοὶ καὶ πλησθῇ ἡ γῆ ἀδικίας

12:9,
καὶ εἶπέν μοι ἀπότρεχε δανιηλ ὅτι κατακεκαλυμμένα καὶ ἐσφραγισμένα τὰ προστάγματα ἕως ἂν


So here καλύπτω is used tot translate Hebrew "satam"

v.4,
וְאַתָּה דָנִיֵּאל, סְתֹם הַדְּבָרִים וַחֲתֹם הַסֵּפֶר--עַד-עֵת קֵץ; יְשֹׁטְטוּ רַבִּים, וְתִרְבֶּה הַדָּעַת

v.9
וַיֹּאמֶר, לֵךְ דָּנִיֵּאל: כִּי-סְתֻמִים וַחֲתֻמִים הַדְּבָרִים, עַד-עֵת קֵץ


Daniel ending with a play on the letters "mem-s'tumah" (closed Mem) "nun-p'shutah" (outstretched Nun);

v.13,
וְאַתָּה, לֵךְ לַקֵּץ; וְתָנוּחַ וְתַעֲמֹד לְגֹרָלְךָ, לְקֵץ הַיָּמִין.

so instead of "l'keits hayamim" it reads "l'keits hayamin"

"yamin" = right hand.

Mark 14:62,
Then Jesus answered, “I am; and

‘you will see the Son of Man

seated at the right hand of the Power

and coming with the clouds of heaven.’”

The relation between κάλυψον and סְתֹם is self-evident - they are synonyms. It has nothing to do with the "closed Mem." The word just happens to end with Mem Sofit which is always "closed." It's fine if you want to read your esoteric philosophy into the text, but there is no reason to think that is what Daniel intended.



coming = ἐρχόμενος , a participium praesens, present participle

the coming one = ὁ ἐρχόμενος

He is coming all of the time, every single moment new,

which is also the clue of the sayings "I am the Alpha and the Omega"

ὁ ὢν καὶ ὁ ἦν καὶ ὁ ἐρχόμενος,

who is and who was and who is coming
By your logic, if that's what the John meant he could have simply said so. But he didn't. You are making up your own meanings of the words.

sylvius
02-20-2013, 11:30 AM
You didn't answer my question. Tell me, how would the Bible refer to an event that was actually going to happen "soon"? Are you saying that's impossible?

Isaiah 7:14,

Therefore, the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign; behold, the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel.




Your assertion that the Apocalypse is "about the uncovering of hidden things" is not entirely accurate. It is not about the uncovering of "things" but rather the uncovering of the person Jesus Christ. It declares many events that would happen "soon" for the time was "at hand."

Your hobby horse doesn't make any sense. As far as I know, you have never explained how "yom hashishi vay'chulu hashamyim" has anything to do with "the very central theme of NT."

You just couldn't get it.





Your assertion that John could have spoken explicitly, saying "Caesar Nero is the beast," is absurd in the context of Revelation where everything is presented in symbols.

But why present him as the number 666?

Which is not even the number of his name.
You must add the title Caesar, which in Hebrew is "kaisar", written "kuf-yud-samech-resh", and not "kasar".

While the number 666 occurs in different places as meaningful number f.e. as gematria of "meah sh'arim" = hundredfold, which seems to be the key of the parable of the sower (Satan immediately taking away the seed from the rationalists)

666 is also gematria of the name Setur, one of the ten spies who came back with evil report (Numbers 14)

The name Setur is certainly cognate to "soteir"= denier, also with gematria 666.

LXX has Satour, which might be well the name Saturn(us), after which again is called Saturday (for those who do not partake in Sabbath)

But first of all it is hidden in Genesis 1:31.





The relation between κάλυψον and סְתֹם is self-evident - they are synonyms. not quite,

Greek "kalumma" = veil ; "kalupto"= to veil.
A meaning that's not innate "satam" = to close up, clog, keep secret, conceal.





It has nothing to do with the "closed Mem."

Daniel 12:13 ends with an outstretched Nun where a closed Mem would have been expected.

וְאַתָּה, לֵךְ לַקֵּץ; וְתָנוּחַ וְתַעֲמֹד לְגֹרָלְךָ, לְקֵץ הַיָּמִין


By your logic, if that's what the John meant he could have simply said so. But he didn't. You are making up your own meanings of the words.


He did do so.

Richard Amiel McGough
02-20-2013, 12:15 PM
You didn't answer my question. Tell me, how would the Bible refer to an event that was actually going to happen "soon"? Are you saying that's impossible?
Isaiah 7:14,

Therefore, the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign; behold, the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel.

Man, you sure have a problem answering a simple question!

Either you don't you understand the basic meaning of words or you delight in absurdity.




Your assertion that the Apocalypse is "about the uncovering of hidden things" is not entirely accurate. It is not about the uncovering of "things" but rather the uncovering of the person Jesus Christ. It declares many events that would happen "soon" for the time was "at hand."

Your hobby horse doesn't make any sense. As far as I know, you have never explained how "yom hashishi vay'chulu hashamyim" has anything to do with "the very central theme of NT."
You just couldn't get it.

You just can't explain it any more than you can answer the simple question I've asked twice now.




Your assertion that John could have spoken explicitly, saying "Caesar Nero is the beast," is absurd in the context of Revelation where everything is presented in symbols.
But why present him as the number 666?

No one actually knows for sure why John (or whoever) wrote what he wrote. But the symbolic meaning of the number 6 is rather plain in Scripture. And it is associated with the greatest "man of wisdom" (Solomon) who received 666 talents of gold. So there are lots of possibilities. Your idea of Yom Shishi is based on what is NOT written - why should anyone believe it? What does it even mean? How does it relate to anything in the NT? You've been pushing this idea for years but you don't care enough to even try to explain yourself. It's just plain silly.



Which is not even the number of his name.
You must add the title Caesar, which in Hebrew is "kaisar", written "kuf-yud-samech-resh", and not "kasar".

Not true. The title caesar is written in the Peshitta as kuf samech resh. You just reject reality because it doesn't suit your speculations.



While the number 666 occurs in different places as meaningful number f.e. as gematria of "meah sh'arim" = hundredfold, which seems to be the key of the parable of the sower (Satan immediately taking away the seed from the rationalists)

666 is also gematria of the name Setur, one of the ten spies who came back with evil report (Numbers 14)

The name Setur is certainly cognate to "soteir"= denier, also with gematria 666.

LXX has Satour, which might be well the name Saturn(us), after which again is called Saturday (for those who do not partake in Sabbath)

But first of all it is hidden in Genesis 1:31.

That's ridiculous. Setur is not "cognate" in any way at all with the Greek soteir (savior).

And as I've explained a dozen times, sitro means "his secret place" and it describes the "secret place" of YHWH:

Psalm 18:11 He made darkness his secret place (sitro = 666) ; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.

You just ignore all the facts and constantly assert things that are demonstrably false.

sylvius
02-20-2013, 01:30 PM
Man, you sure have a problem answering a simple question!

Either you don't you understand the basic meaning of words or you delight in absurdity.

You must suffer from some mental problem





You just can't explain it any more than you can answer the simple question I've asked twice now.

It is very simple. Complicated minds dont get.



No one actually knows for sure why John (or whoever) wrote what he wrote. But the symbolic meaning of the number 6 is rather plain in Scripture.
Creation was completed, perfected, on the sixth day.


And it is associated with the greatest "man of wisdom" (Solomon) who received 666 talents of gold. So there are lots of possibilities. Your idea of Yom Shishi is based on what is NOT written - why should anyone believe it? What does it even mean? How does it relate to anything in the NT? You've been pushing this idea for years but you don't care enough to even try to explain yourself. It's just plain silly.
I never did receive not even one talent of gold.
The talent is defined by the menorah



Exodus 25:39,
He shall make it of a talent of pure gold, with all these implements.
Rashi on Exodus 25:40

Now see and make: See here on the mountain the pattern that I am showing you. [This] informs us that Moses had difficulties with the construction of the menorah, until the Holy One, blessed is He, showed him a [model] menorah of fire. -[from Men. 29a]



Not true. The title caesar is written in the Peshitta as kuf samech resh.

It dates from after Revelation was written




You just reject reality because it doesn't suit your speculations. just that is no reality



That's ridiculous. Setur is not "cognate" in any way at all with the Greek soteir (savior). Hebrew "soteir", written "samech-vav-tav-resh".




And as I've explained a dozen times, sitro means "his secret place" and it describes the "secret place" of YHWH:

Psalm 18:11 He made darkness his secret place (sitro = 666) ; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.



Now you're flawing your own argument.

sylvius
02-20-2013, 01:47 PM
From my Alcalay:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/suivlys/denier-1.jpg

Richard Amiel McGough
02-20-2013, 02:30 PM
You didn't answer my question. Tell me, how would the Bible refer to an event that was actually going to happen "soon"? Are you saying that's impossible?
You must suffer from some mental problem

You can't even follow the most elementary conversation. I have asked you a simple question two times and you have failed to answer it. Here it is again:

Tell me, how would the Bible refer to an event that was actually going to happen "soon"? Are you saying that's impossible?

Are you able to answer that question?




You just can't explain it any more than you can answer the simple question I've asked twice now.
It is very simple. Complicated minds dont get.

Yes, it is very very simple! So why can't answer it?

Richard Amiel McGough
02-20-2013, 02:32 PM
From my Alcalay:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/suivlys/denier-1.jpg
So what? That's modern Hebrew.

This is getting totally nuts. You reject the ancient spelling of caesar in the Peshitta because it was written later than Revelation, but you base your entire argument about soter on a modern Hebrew dictionary! You're arguments are totally inconsistent.

sylvius
02-21-2013, 12:35 AM
So what? That's modern Hebrew.

This is getting totally nuts. You reject the ancient spelling of caesar in the Peshitta because it was written later than Revelation, but you base your entire argument about soter on a modern Hebrew dictionary! You're arguments are totally inconsistent.

It is not an argument, but it is a word with number 666, a word that translates "arnoumenos" of 1John 2:22, the denier that is the anti-christ.
So it fits well to Revelation 13:18, better than "kasar neron".

But it remains that the main instance of the number 666 is Genesis 1:31.

It is the number of "yom shishi", sixth day. Which per se is a miracle of the written word.
But it is written "yom hashishi", the sixth day.
The letter "hey" serving as definite article is missing in the other day-indications.
It is "day one, second day, third day, fourth day, fifth day" and then: "the sixth day".
Now with "the sixth day" the name of God appears to be present in the initial letters of "yom hashihsi vay'chulu hashamayim", the last two words of Genesis 1:31 and the first two words of Genesis 2:1, so exactly at the entrance of Sabbath, coinciding the place where the body of Jesus was laid in the grave while a huge stone was rolled on the door.
It is simple as that!

Richard Amiel McGough
02-21-2013, 10:39 AM
It is not an argument, but it is a word with number 666, a word that translates "arnoumenos" of 1John 2:22, the denier that is the anti-christ.
So it fits well to Revelation 13:18, better than "kasar neron".

But it remains that the main instance of the number 666 is Genesis 1:31.

It is the number of "yom shishi", sixth day. Which per se is a miracle of the written word.
But it is written "yom hashishi", the sixth day.
The letter "hey" serving as definite article is missing in the other day-indications.
It is "day one, second day, third day, fourth day, fifth day" and then: "the sixth day".
Now with "the sixth day" the name of God appears to be present in the initial letters of "yom hashihsi vay'chulu hashamayim", the last two words of Genesis 1:31 and the first two words of Genesis 2:1, so exactly at the entrance of Sabbath, coinciding the place where the body of Jesus was laid in the grave while a huge stone was rolled on the door.
It is simple as that!
Hey there sylvius,

In English, the word "argument" has a two basic meanings:

1) An exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one: "I've had an argument with my father".
2) A reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong.

I was using it in the sense of the second definition. You have given many reasons in your effort to support your idea about the acronym YHVH formed from the words yom hashishi vaykulu hashamayim and how we get the number 666 from the phase yom shishi if we remove the letter hey. This is your argument.

I can see why you would find this intriguing given the explicit reference to 666 in Rev 13:18, but on the other hand, it doesn't have anything to do with "buying and selling" so the connection with that verse is not clear. I see no reason to accept your assertion that it fits better than kasar neron. On the contrary, when many facts converge to a single conclusion they give strong evidence for the truth of that conclusion, and that's what we see with the pair of identities kasar neron = 666 and kasar nero = 616. And there are many other reasons that confirm this, such as the fact that Nero was a "beast" to the first century Christians. Your reasons for rejecting these facts are inconsistent. You reject the standard ancient spelling of kasar found in the Peshitta but base your argument about the "denier" on a modern Hebrew dictionary. You seem to be willing to just make up whatever you want to suit your argument. That is not the path to truth. And besides, the truth of your argument would not imply that 666 could not also refer to Nero. It could be both. A literal and a symbolic meaning like many other things in the Bible.

I think it makes perfect sense that the letter hey, which indicates the definite article, was added to the sixth day because the sixth day was different than the others because it was the final day of creation - it was THE day which summed up the whole process.

And I note that you have not yet answered my simple question. Is it possible in Hebrew to say that something is actually going to happen "soon"? If so, how would you say it?

All the best,

Richard

sylvius
02-21-2013, 01:29 PM
Hey there sylvius,

In English, the word "argument" has a two basic meanings:

1) An exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one: "I've had an argument with my father".
2) A reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong.

I was using it in the sense of the second definition. You have given many reasons in your effort to support your idea about the acronym YHVH formed from the words yom hashishi vaykulu hashamayim and how we get the number 666 from the phase yom shishi if we remove the letter hey. This is your argument.

I can see why you would find this intriguing given the explicit reference to 666 in Rev 13:18, but on the other hand, it doesn't have anything to do with "buying and selling" so the connection with that verse is not clear. I see no reason to accept your assertion that it fits better than kasar neron. On the contrary, when many facts converge to a single conclusion they give strong evidence for the truth of that conclusion, and that's what we see with the pair of identities kasar neron = 666 and kasar nero = 616. And there are many other reasons that confirm this, such as the fact that Nero was a "beast" to the first century Christians. Your reasons for rejecting these facts are inconsistent. You reject the standard ancient spelling of kasar found in the Peshitta but base your argument about the "denier" on a modern Hebrew dictionary. You seem to be willing to just make up whatever you want to suit your argument. That is not the path to truth. And besides, the truth of your argument would not imply that 666 could not also refer to Nero. It could be both. A literal and a symbolic meaning like many other things in the Bible.

I think it makes perfect sense that the letter hey, which indicates the definite article, was added to the sixth day because the sixth day was different than the others because it was the final day of creation - it was THE day which summed up the whole process.

And I note that you have not yet answered my simple question. Is it possible in Hebrew to say that something is actually going to happen "soon"? If so, how would you say it?

All the best,

Richard


It might be also about Mark's denarius, I can't deny

Mark 12:15-16,

"Bring me a denarius to look at.” They brought one to him and he said to them, “Whose image and inscription is this?” They replied to him, “Caesar’s.”

See:
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?103836-proof-that-the-synoptics-were-written-after-81-CE


(...)

Now you will say maybe, Sylvius, but you keep on saying that it is all about "yom hashishi" of Genesis 1:31?

but I say the one thing doesn't contradict the other

(...).


Mark 12:16,
They brought one to him and he said to them, "Whose image and inscription is this?" They replied to him, "Caesar's."

image= Greek "eikon";
you'll find also in Revelation 13:14-15,
It deceived the inhabitants of the earth with the signs it was allowed to perform in the sight of the first beast, telling them to make an image for the beast who had been wounded by the sword and revived. It was then permitted to breathe life into the beast's image, so that the beast's image could speak and (could) have anyone who did not worship it put to death.

inscription = Greek "epigraphè",
word that returns in Mark 15:26,
The inscription of the charge against him read, "The King of the Jews."

which is about the sixth day, the day on which he was crucified.

(and remember gematria of "Yeshu Notsri" is 666. )

About the coin, it's meaning, read Rashi on Genesis 1:27, (consider that image, Hebrew "tselem" , = Greek "eikon")
http://www.chabad.org/library/articl.../Chapter-1.htm
And God created man in His image In the form that was made for him, for everything [else] was created with a command, whereas he [man] was created with the hands (of God), as it is written (Ps. 139:5): “and You placed Your hand upon me.” Man was made with a die, like a coin, which is made by means of a die, which is called coin in Old French. And so Scripture states (Job 38:14): “The die changes like clay.” - [from Letters of Rabbi Akiva , second version; Mid. Ps. 139:5; Sanh. 38a]

in the image of God He created him It explains to you that the image that was prepared for him was the image of the likeness of his Creator. — [from B.B. 58a]

By then I did find also this:

http://www.truthorfables.com/Mark_Of_The_Beast.htm


Titus Flavius Domitianus
Most Bible expositors give us two candidates from Imperial Rome, Nero and Titus Flavius Domitianus. My choice is Domitian, (A.D. 81-96) the very Roman Emperor who was beginning to demand that his citizens worship him, virtually as a god, at the very time that John penned his prophecy. This simple historical detail is beyond all quibble. Most importantly, his official title in Latin was Imperator Caesar Domitianus Augustus Germanicus. This was rendered as Autokrator Kaisar Dometianos Sebastos Germanikos for his Greek-speaking subjects. And in turn, for their coins, this abbreviated to A.KAI.DOMET.SEB.GE=666 (1+20+1+10+4+70+40+5+300+200+5+2+3+5).
How could they possibly miss John’s point, or even look elsewhere, with the very coins with his picture jangling in their pockets had his picture! And of course Domitain's name added up to 666. It is significant that, contrary to every other explanation of 666 of which I am aware, the Domitian employs every last letter of his official title in Greek in summing to 666! One of the threats facing the NT Christians was economic. They would not be able to buy or sell. Rev 13:16 - Rev 13:17 (NIV)


Although there was someone who contended that there were coins with Hebrew inscription "NRVN KSR", but there was never showed up one,

sylvius
02-21-2013, 01:38 PM
The name of God doesn't occur in the first story of creation, except for hidden in the inital letters of "yom hashishi vay'chulu hashamyim" --

That's exactly what makes the letter "hey" of "hashishi" special.

sylvius
02-22-2013, 02:28 AM
The name of God is also hidden in the 26 generations from Adam to Moses = revelation at mount Sinai.

Adam to Noach 10 generations
Shem to Peleg 5 generations
Reu to Isaac 6 generations
Jacob (via Levi) to Moses 5 generations.

See also this;
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?149006-The-four-times-quot-eileh-toldot-quot-and-resurrection


Now I got some new idea to work out:

"b'reishit bara" (Genesis 1:1) coincides "b'hibaram" (Genesis 2:4) in that "reishit" coincides the letter "hey" that was added to "shishi" (Genesis 1:31).


"bara" usually translated as "to create", has the connotation of "to separate".
I did hear already from my teacher at university, pater J.T. Nelis. Intensive form "beirei" means to cut down, fell (trees), deforest.


Ellen van Wolde, who attended college from the same pater Nelis, did exaggerate this (and became world-famous) by stating that it just means "to separate", OIW God didn't create the heaven and the earth, but did separate the already existing heaven and earth.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/6274502/God-is-not-the-Creator-claims-academic.html
She is now professor.

Pater Nelis was enthousiast about gematria, something forbidden by pope and bishop.
Fe. he saw the versenumber Genesis 1:26 as alluding to the name of God.
If God wouldn't have created man then v.25 would have been the last verse of Genesis 1.

By that time I did find the number 666 in Genesis 1:31. So pater Nelis is kind of father of my invention.

I am ever still working on it.

E. van Wolde's mistake is the (her) misinterpretation of "b'reishit".

It is not: "In the beginning long time ago"

I say "He created two separate things, heaven and earth, but with "reishit" ".

"Reishit" being "the key of knowledge" (Luke 11:25)

"b'hibaram" (which I said coincides "b'reishit bara") is the 474th word from the beginning. 474 being gematria of "da'at", knowledge.

Key is Hebrew "mafteach" = opener (from "patach"= to open)

It opens the door. Door = "delet", gematria 434.

"hashishi" being the 434th word from the beginning.

"The key" I got from F. Weinreb, he handed it over. It is the "ed" ("alef-dalet" = "1-4", gematria 5, conciding the value of the letter "hey") of Genesis 2:6.

Now you can see "reishit" also as the ladder in Jacob's dream, Genesis 28:12,
סֻלָּם מֻצָּב אַרְצָה וְרֹאשׁוֹ מַגִּיעַ הַשָּׁמָיְמָה

"sulam", ladder, having same gematria as "sinai", viz. 130.

130 = 5 x 26

The name Peleg, the 15th generation of Adam, coinciding the "y-h"- part of the name, is from root "palag" which means "to separate".

After this the dispersion, Babylonian confusion of languages, is called "haflagah"

They wanted to reach heaven by building a tower, "migdal", מִגְדָּל וְרֹאשׁוֹ בַשָּׁמַיִם, kind of a man-made ladder, made from earthen materials.


Much more to say about it.

sylvius
02-22-2013, 02:53 AM
Yesterday I did "deforest" the Hündfelder Moor:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/suivlys/GrosseHuumlndfeld21-2-13008.jpg

to have a real magic stick:

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/suivlys/GrosseHuumlndfeld001.jpg

I say it is the Jacob's ladder.

(spiral-growth is caused by the honeysuckle (woodbind)).

sylvius
02-22-2013, 05:00 AM
I also saw cranes

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/suivlys/GrusGrus.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/suivlys/kraanvogels-1.jpg

which means luck!

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q262/suivlys/GrosseHuumlndfeld21-2-13043.jpg

http://www.origamihara.com/2005_website_003.htm


The crane is not only a symbol for luck, but for longevity as it is believed that the crane lives one thousand years. The crane also mates for life

duxrow
02-22-2013, 07:40 AM
:cool: OK, Sylvie, l liked your number 26; not sure about the stork bringing him though...:winking0071:
From Levi to Kohath to Amram to Moses -- and since Levi was the 3rd son of Jacob#22, this agrees about Moses being Generation#26.

The 4th son of Jacob was Judah#23 in the generations leading to Jesus -- and David was #33, Solomon#34, Assir#52, and the final four were Jacab, Joseph, Mary, and Jesus#66. (The TRIPLE ACROSTIC!) Compare to Lamentations chapt. 3.

sylvius
02-22-2013, 01:59 PM
This is remarkable:

LXX has for Hebrew "palag"("pilleig") διαμερίζω

Genesis 10:25
καὶ τῷ Eβερ ἐγενήθησαν δύο υἱοί ὄνομα τῷ ἑνὶ φαλεκ ὅτι ἐν ταῖς ἡμέραις αὐτοῦ διεμερίσθη ἡ γῆ καὶ ὄνομα τῷ ἀδελφῷ αὐτοῦ Iεκταν
To Eber two sons were born: the name of the first was Peleg, for in his time the world was divided; and the name of his brother was Joktan.


Verb used in Luke 11:17-18,
Πᾶσα βασιλεία ἐφ' ἑαυτὴν διαμερισθεῖσα ἐρημοῦται, καὶ οἶκος ἐπὶ οἶκον πίπτει. εἰ δὲ καὶ ὁ Σατανᾶς ἐφ' ἑαυτὸν διεμερίσθη, πῶς σταθήσεται ἡ βασιλεία αὐτοῦ; ὅτι λέγετε ἐν Βεελζεβοὺλ ἐκβάλλειν με τὰ δαιμόνια.
“Every kingdom divided against itself will be laid waste and house will fall against house. And if Satan is divided against himself, how will his kingdom stand? For you say that it is by Beelzebul that I drive out demons.

Mark has the same verb, only without δια, just μερίζω, Mark3:24-26 (= Matthew 12:25-27),
καὶ ἐὰν βασιλεία ἐφ' ἑαυτὴν μερισθῇ, οὐ δύναται σταθῆναι ἡ βασιλεία ἐκείνη: καὶ ἐὰν οἰκία ἐφ' ἑαυτὴν μερισθῇ, οὐ δυνήσεται ἡ οἰκία ἐκείνη σταθῆναι. καὶ εἰ ὁ Σατανᾶς ἀνέστη ἐφ' ἑαυτὸν καὶ ἐμερίσθη, οὐ δύναται στῆναι ἀλλὰ τέλος ἔχει.
If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand; that is the end of him.

Satan was also the one to take away the seed, Mark 4:15,
οὗτοι δέ εἰσιν οἱ παρὰ τὴν ὁδὸν ὅπου σπείρεται ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὅταν ἀκούσωσιν εὐθὺς ἔρχεται ὁ Σατανᾶς καὶ αἴρει τὸν λόγον τὸν ἐσπαρμένον εἰς αὐτούς
These are the ones on the path where the word is sown. As soon as they hear, Satan comes at once and takes away the word sown in them.

sylvius
02-23-2013, 02:49 AM
διαμερίζω also in Acts 2:3,

καὶ ὤφθησαν αὐτοῖς διαμεριζόμεναι γλῶσσαι ὡσεὶ πυρός, καὶ ἐκάθισεν ἐφ' ἕνα ἕκαστον αὐτῶν


And there appeared to them tongues as of fire that divided themselves and took seat on each one of them.


This was Pentecost, the fifitieth day after Jesus's sepulture


Pentecost is on the sixth day of the month Sivan.

So seemingly Luke had the same thing in mind as Rashi:

http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/8165


the sixth day: Scripture added a “hey” on the sixth [day], at the completion of the Creation, to tell us that He stipulated with them, [“you were created] on the condition that Israel accept the Five Books of the Torah.” [The numerical value of the “hey” is five.] (Tanchuma Bereishith 1). Another explanation for “the sixth day” : They [the works of creation] were all suspended until the “sixth day,” referring to the sixth day of Sivan, which was prepared for the giving of the Torah (Shab. 88a). [The“hey” is the definite article, alluding to the well-known sixth day, the sixth day of Sivan, when the Torah was given (ad loc.).]


Binding Pentecost to the Haflagah that took place after the 15th generation of Adam, constituting the Y-H part of God's name present in the intial letters of "yom hashishi vay'chulu hashamayim" and also in the 26 generations from Adam till the revelation at mount Sinai on the day of Pentecost.

Gematria of Sinai being the same as of "sulam"= ladder, viz. 130 (= 5 x 26), the ladder of Jacob's dream, he dreamt in Luz which he renamed Bet-El = house of God, dreaming when he was flying from his brother Esau who had sold to him his birthright on the day that Abraham (with the letter "hey" of "hashishi" in his name) died.

duxrow
02-23-2013, 07:18 AM
Sylvie said: "This was Pentecost, the fifitieth day after Jesus's sepulture"..

The 50 days count was to begin when the high priest 'waved' the FIRSTFRUITS -- so Caiaphas must've done so on Resurrection Sunday! Right? :thumb:

sylvius
02-23-2013, 09:20 AM
Sylvie said: "This was Pentecost, the fifitieth day after Jesus's sepulture"..

The 50 days count was to begin when the high priest 'waved' the FIRSTFRUITS -- so Caiaphas must've done so on Resurrection Sunday! Right? :thumb:

The count began with Jesus' sepulture, at the end of the sixth day (friday) (the 15th of Nisan) = beginning Sabbath (the 16th of Nisan)

That this is what Luke meant might also be clear from Acts 1:3,
To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:


It says "after his passion", not: "after his resurrection".

It is also a play with the numbers 40 and 50.

40 being value of the letter Mem, 50 value of the letter Nun,

Like Daniel did (writing "hayamin" instead of "hayamim" , Daniel 12:13)

Jesus' ascension also alluding to Daniel, ch. 7 v.13

Acts 1:11,
Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

"in like manner" = coming with the cloud(s)

like a crane...

duxrow
02-23-2013, 09:36 AM
No set date for the Feast of Weeks (harvest).

The first feast (Passover) was observed in the first month, and the third feast (Tabernacles) was observed in the seventh month, and the second feast (Harvest or Pentecost) had no set date--it was seasonal, depending on the time the firstfruits of the crop appeared. This Harvest, or Feast of Weeks, is better known as Pentecost (Greek "50") to Christians familiar with Acts chapter two.

http://www.cswnet.com/~duxrow/webdoc22.htm

sylvius
02-23-2013, 10:05 AM
No set date for the Feast of Weeks (harvest).

The first feast (Passover) was observed in the first month, and the third feast (Tabernacles) was observed in the seventh month, and the second feast (Harvest or Pentecost) had no set date--it was seasonal, depending on the time the firstfruits of the crop appeared. This Harvest, or Feast of Weeks, is better known as Pentecost (Greek "50") to Christians familiar with Acts chapter two.

http://www.cswnet.com/~duxrow/webdoc22.htm

Pentecost is the fiftieth day after the second day of Passover, seven weeks have passed, or seven times seven days = 49 days.

sylvius
03-04-2013, 11:53 PM
It might be also about Mark's denarius, I can't deny

Mark 12:15-16,

"Bring me a denarius to look at.” They brought one to him and he said to them, “Whose image and inscription is this?” They replied to him, “Caesar’s.”

See:
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?103836-proof-that-the-synoptics-were-written-after-81-CE



By then I did find also this:

http://www.truthorfables.com/Mark_Of_The_Beast.htm


Titus Flavius Domitianus
Most Bible expositors give us two candidates from Imperial Rome, Nero and Titus Flavius Domitianus. My choice is Domitian, (A.D. 81-96) the very Roman Emperor who was beginning to demand that his citizens worship him, virtually as a god, at the very time that John penned his prophecy. This simple historical detail is beyond all quibble. Most importantly, his official title in Latin was Imperator Caesar Domitianus Augustus Germanicus. This was rendered as Autokrator Kaisar Dometianos Sebastos Germanikos for his Greek-speaking subjects. And in turn, for their coins, this abbreviated to A.KAI.DOMET.SEB.GE=666 (1+20+1+10+4+70+40+5+300+200+5+2+3+5).
How could they possibly miss John’s point, or even look elsewhere, with the very coins with his picture jangling in their pockets had his picture! And of course Domitain's name added up to 666. It is significant that, contrary to every other explanation of 666 of which I am aware, the Domitian employs every last letter of his official title in Greek in summing to 666! One of the threats facing the NT Christians was economic. They would not be able to buy or sell. Rev 13:16 - Rev 13:17 (NIV)




So this Domitiian coin might prove that also the Gospel of Mark dates from the time of Domitian's reign.

http://socalcoins.blogspot.nl/2008/04/d-o-m-i-t-i-n.html

http://bp3.blogger.com/_fEx4D37pjdI/R_ggGOE1lFI/AAAAAAAAAFI/289ngYsqTRM/s400/Domitian+tet.jpg


And this:

Autokrator Kaisar Dometianos Sebastos Germanikos


might be reflected by the "Pantokrator" of Revelation 1:8,

Ἐγώ εἰμι τὸ Ἄλφα καὶ τὸ ω, λέγει κύριος ὁ θεός, ὁ ὢν καὶ ὁ ἦν καὶ ὁ ἐρχόμενος, ὁ παντοκράτωρ.

Translated as Almighty = Omnipotens

Hebrew "shadai"

I think it is also the "dunamis", δύναμις, of Mark 14:62,

ὁ δὲ Ἰησοῦς εἶπεν, Ἐγώ εἰμι, καὶ ὄψεσθε τὸν υἱὸν τοῦ ἀνθρώπου ἐκ δεξιῶν καθήμενον τῆς δυνάμεως καὶ ἐρχόμενον μετὰ τῶν νεφελῶν τοῦ οὐρανοῦ.

sylvius
03-05-2013, 10:41 AM
:cool: OK, Sylvie, l liked your number 26; not sure about the stork bringing him though...:winking0071:
From Levi to Kohath to Amram to Moses -- and since Levi was the 3rd son of Jacob#22, this agrees about Moses being Generation#26.

The 4th son of Jacob was Judah#23 in the generations leading to Jesus -- and David was #33, Solomon#34, Assir#52, and the final four were Jacab, Joseph, Mary, and Jesus#66. (The TRIPLE ACROSTIC!) Compare to Lamentations chapt. 3.

I think you are right, they were storks, not cranes.

But today two large groups of cranes flew over my garden, very high, very far, I was alarmed by their "grr-grr"- chattering.

So I am lucky anyway.