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duxrow
05-18-2012, 02:48 PM
http://www.cswnet.com/~duxrow/GenChrt.htm#6x11
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New at this, and trying it out. Running it up the flagpole so to speak. Does the pattern help anyone? :confused2:

Richard Amiel McGough
05-18-2012, 03:13 PM
http://www.cswnet.com/~duxrow/GenChrt.htm#6x11 (http://www.cswnet.com/%7Eduxrow/GenChrt.htm#6x11)
:yo:
New at this, and trying it out. Running it up the flagpole so to speak. Does the pattern help anyone? :confused2:

Maybe this will help even more. I just copied it from your linked page and pasted in the editor box. I also had to click the "Table Properties" button (second from left on the bottom row of the tool icons) to tell it to show the border.

The 6x11 Pedigree Table


1. Adam
12. Arphaxad
23. Judah
34. Solomon
45. Ahaz
56. Eliakim


2. Seth
13. Salah/Shelah
24. Pharez
35. Rehoboam
46. Hezekiah
57. Azor


3. Enos
14. Eber
25. Esrom
36. Abijam
47. Manasseh
58. Sadoc


4. Cainan
15. Peleg
26. Aram
37. Asa
48. Amon
59. Achim


5. Mahalaleel
16. Reu
27. Aminidab
38. Jehoshaphat
49. Josiah
60. Eliud


6. Jared
17. Serug
28. Naason
39. Jehoram
50. *Jehoiakim
61. Eleazar


7. Enoch
18. Nahor
29. Salmon
40. *Ahaziah
51. Jeconiah
62. Matthan


8. Methuselah
19. Terah
30. Boaz
41. *Joash
52. *Assir
63. Jacob^


9. Lamech
20. Abraham
31. Obed
42. *Amaziah
53. Salathiel
64. Joseph


10. NOAH
21. Isaac
32. Jesse
43. Uzziah
54. Zorobabel
65. Mary


11. Shem
22. Jacob
33. DAVID
44. Jotham
55. Abiud
66. JESUS



Unfortunately, I don't think the table is valid for the reasons we discussed in the The 33/66 Pattern (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?3001-The-33-66-Pattern) thread. 1) Luke lists a generation (Cainan) that you leave out of your table under the presumption that the book of Luke is wrong (copyist error). 2) You reject Matthew's statement that Joseph was the husband of Mary. 3) You insert Assir into the list even though he is not said to have been the father of anyone. 4) There is no reason to believe that the genealogies are reliable in the first place. 5) Paul admonished us to avoid "fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith" (1 Tim 1:4).

But hey! Whatever floats your boat! :thumb:

duxrow
05-18-2012, 04:08 PM
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Hey thanks, Richard. That's what I wanted to do, rather than use the link.

1Ch:3:17: And the sons of Jeconiah; Assir, Salathiel his son,
This verse tells me Assir the son of Jeconiah. We (Charisma too) had a problem about Zorobabel -- more than one, but Ezra3:2 is the one that fits the pedigree.
Anyway, the 7x9=63 was the part that excited me - plus the 66 count like in The Books, of course. Cheers!:winking0071:

Richard Amiel McGough
05-18-2012, 04:14 PM
:signthankspin:
Hey thanks, Richard. That's what I wanted to do, rather than use the link.

1Ch:3:17: And the sons of Jeconiah; Assir, Salathiel his son,
This verse tells me Assir the son of Jeconiah. We (Charisma too) had a problem about Zorobabel -- more than one, but Ezra3:2 is the one that fits the pedigree.
Anyway, the 7x9=63 was the part that excited me - plus the 66 count like in The Books, of course. Cheers!:winking0071:
What is it about the 7 x 9 = 63 that excites you? Is it the symmetry of the way that those three numbers span three rows in the table? If so, it's just one "hit" - there's not a general pattern is there?

Richard Amiel McGough
05-18-2012, 04:20 PM
1. Adam

12. Arphaxad
23. Judah
34. Solomon
45. Ahaz
56. Eliakim


2. Seth

13. Salah/Shelah
24. Pharez
35. Rehoboam
46. Hezekiah
57. Azor


3. Enos

14. Eber
25. Esrom
36. Abijam
47. Manasseh
58. Sadoc


4. Cainan

15. Peleg

26. Aram
37. Asa
48. Amon
59. Achim


5. Mahalaleel

16. Reu

27. Aminidab
38. Jehoshaphat
49. Josiah
60. Eliud


6. Jared

17. Serug

28. Naason
39. Jehoram
50. *Jehoiakim
61. Eleazar


7. Enoch

18. Nahor

29. Salmon
40. *Ahaziah
51. Jeconiah
62. Matthan


8. Methuselah

19. Terah

30. Boaz
41. *Joash
52. *Assir
63. Jacob^



9. Lamech

20. Abraham

31. Obed
42. *Amaziah
53. Salathiel
64. Joseph


10. NOAH

21. Isaac

32. Jesse
43. Uzziah
54. Zorobabel
65. Mary


11. Shem

22. Jacob

33. DAVID
44. Jotham
55. Abiud
66. JESUS



Here's another similar pattern 3 x 5 = 15.

duxrow
05-18-2012, 04:24 PM
The first Enoch and first Lamech (those names) were in the line of Cain, so presumably perished in the Deluge.
THIS Enoch and Lamech are both #2, and every other name in the list is unique (the only name appearing twice is that of Jacob).
I'm aware most teach Jacob as deceiver, but "supplanter" is the way scripture says it.

I didn't set out to 'make it happen', so was probably like you when you saw the Triple Acrostic. Amen?:thumb:

David M
05-19-2012, 04:12 AM
Unfortunately, I don't think the table is valid for the reasons we discussed in the The 33/66 Pattern (http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/showthread.php?3001-The-33-66-Pattern) thread. 1) Luke lists a generation (Cainan) that you leave out of your table under the presumption that the book of Luke is wrong (copyist error). 2) You reject Matthew's statement that Joseph was the husband of Mary. 3) You insert Assir into the list even though he is not said to have been the father of anyone. 4) There is no reason to believe that the genealogies are reliable in the first place. 5) Paul admonished us to avoid "fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith" (1 Tim 1:4).

But hey! Whatever floats your boat! :thumb:

Good morning Richard

Concerning the genealogies listed in Matthew and Luke, I made the following observations:
In Matthew's list including the names of Jesus and Abraham the number of names is forty(40). Matthew leaves out the generations while in captivity in Babylon. The number "40" is a good biblical number and therefore some significance could be attached to that number and the list.

I was going to quote the same figure as you posted in the thread to which you posted the link. The list in Luke numbers 77. This is interesting in that this number contains two sevens. The number 7 in scripture representing perfection. The first number seven represents God and the second number 7 represents the perfect man; Jesus. Two sevens representing perfection by God and Jesus.

I skimmed through the thread to see if this had been mentioned. I found the following post, but no referral to any significance to the number 77. You have perhaps dealt with this elsewhere.


Originally Posted by duxrow
Jesus was the 66th generation, like the number of books in the Bibleā€”THE WORD. But he wasn't really the 66th generation. Luke lists 77 generations from Adam to Christ. How are we supposed to understand that?

The other thing I noticed from Luke's list is that from Jesus to Levi this is "33" representing the priestly line. This is at least half the number of 66. From Jesus to Shem the list numbers "66". The actual number of generations from Noah (67) would be 66. Another way of looking at this is from Noah to Joseph (ommiting Jesus who was sinless) and you have 66. The number 6 is associated with sin and here we have two sixes; Noah the first number six and Joseph the second number 6. All these generations represented sinful generations before Jesus came along and out an end to the line.

It is interesting that you have "77" (two sevens) representing two perfect beings; one spirit and one man and you have "66" representing the start and end of a the generations of sinful men and the age of sacrifice before Jesus came along to put an end to animal sacrifices.

These points are not meant to prove anything, but interesting may be. The numbers are so close that it might me more than coincidence.

All the best,

David

duxrow
05-19-2012, 04:52 AM
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Hey Richard, Don't give up on this -- the cryptogram fits, and the proof of the pudding is the end-result. Began for me in the 90's sometime, with bits and pieces being added along the way, so I'd forgotten to add those details to this table of generations. Like 40 names between the two Jacobs is kinda cute, eh?

David, You probably haven't noticed the earlier discussions -- my contention is that the Matthew generations lead to Mary's Father, and the Lk3 generations to her husband (the "supposed" father of Jesus). Not only does it lead to the 66 count between Adam and Jesus, but also to the cryptogram pointing to the 2nd Jacob (two Jacobs in Mt1). To me, it's a thrilling development! :yo:

duxrow
04-09-2014, 07:45 AM
Whenever a father in the Bible has more than one son, it may take some searching to discover which one leads to Jesus; and in modern times it's the sons who carry on the family name, but daughters may choose to exchange their family name for the New Name of their husband.

:yo: That's another reason why the OT leads father-to-son until finally reaching the supplanter Jacob#63 who has a son Joseph#64 who has a daughter Mary#65.. The previous generations all had unique names, but never lacked having a son to carry on that line.