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[gilgal]

What I am trying to illustrate is that those who participated in the antichrist and anti-Israel system will be punished. Would God allowed the destruction of Jerusalem and more than 1 million Jews in AD 70? Of course not but the curse was on them because of their participation in the condemnation of Jesus, an act that could be considered an antichrist conspiracy.

Yes, Palestinians are God's creation too, so are Zionist Jews. I am not against Palestinians or Arabs or Zionist Jews but I believe that whoever from whichever race who participated in anti-christ activities and are unrepentent will not go unpunished. Same as those who have the mark of the anti-christ which represents their support and endorsement of their allegiance to the antichrist and his activities. They also will not go unpunished if they are unrepentent.

Many Blessings.

You're not against Zionists? So you don't mind the government taking your taxpayer's money and sending to Israel? or sending your fine men as soldiers to Iraq to fight for Israel? Who cares if they die or kill innocent Iraqis, right?

Did you hear about what Barak Obama did to Rahm Emanuel?
Obama Tells Jews, "No More"
The President Finally Stands Up to the World’s Tormentors—Will All Hell Now Break Loose?

This same Rahm Emanuel was the reason Clinton got impeached because he brought in Monica Lewinsky who told Clinton's secrets since he didn't want to invade Iraq at first.

[CWH]

You're not against Zionists? So you don't mind the government taking your taxpayer's money and sending to Israel? or sending your fine men as soldiers to Iraq to fight for Israel? Who cares if they die or kill innocent Iraqis, right?

Did you hear about what Barak Obama did to Rahm Emanuel?
Obama Tells Jews, "No More"
The President Finally Stands Up to the World’s Tormentors—Will All Hell Now Break Loose?

This same Rahm Emanuel was the reason Clinton got impeached because he brought in Monica Lewinsky who told Clinton's secrets since he didn't want to invade Iraq at first.

Of course, there are always black sheep in the family. Don't the American soldiers in Iraq killed innocent victims? Do you think most Iraqis like the American presence on their soil?

As Christians, I think whether you like or hate someone, our outlook should be this:

"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.....if you love those who love you, what reward will you get?".

Love it or hate it, we are all God's creation.

Many Blessings.

[CWH]

I am interested in the identity of the feet of the clay mixed with Iron. We all know without doubt the identity of the head of gold, the chest and arms of silver, the torso of bronze and the legs of iron but the feet and toes of clay mixed with iron?

The followings so far has been associated with the feet and toes of clay mixed with iron:

1) the statue started with the head of gold and ended up at the ten toes i.e. from the Babylonians empire in the 6th century BC to the Romans empire in the 5th century AD to ?? AD with the ten toes representing 10 kings or kingdoms.
2) the timeline using the atomic number of the metals and materials of gold, silver, copper, iron, aluminium silicate mixed with iron suggest a timeline from BC to AD
3) the metals and material seems to suggest decreasing monetary value from gold, silver, bronze, iron, clay mixed with iron. It does reminds me of how small our currency is compared to the currency used in ancient times. I heard 1 denarius is about US$20. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denarius
4) they also suggest hardness from soft gold, to hard steel/iron to the impenetrable hardness of clay mixed with iron....?concrete with reinforced steel (material used in modern day construction)
5) Using a world map, the capitals and empires of Babylon, Mede/Persian, Greek, Romans seems to move in a north to north westernly direction from Babylon (gold), Susa(silver), Athens(bronze), Rome(iron) and ??? (clay mixed with iron)......?Brussels.
6) The rock hitting the feet of the statue suggests Christ or Christianity destroying all these kingdoms/descendants/countries in one fell swoop.
7) All the countries listed in the empires of Babylon, Persian/Mede, Greek, Romans, ? Clay mixed with Iron comprised of almost all modern days countries of the EU and Arab League.
8) According to Daniel 2, this clay mixed with iron kingdom is a divided kingdom, a mixture of nations, partially strong but not very united. Certainly sounds like the EU and the AL which comprises of various independent nations under pacts with their own national policies and not very agreeable among themselves in regards to certain policies such as trade and defence policies.

41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. 42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. 43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay

Anyone?

Many Blessings.

[CWH]

I have superimpose the statue in Daniel into the map of Europe and Middle East. The statue of Daniel is obviously facing the northwest direction from Babylon towards Europe.The golden head of the statue is in Iraq where Babylon was, the silver right arm in Persia (Susa) and the left arm somewhere in Jordan (both were once parts of the Persian Empire), the body/torso of Bronze somewhere near Greece (Athens) and the iron legs somewhere near Rome and the ten toes somewhere in Europe in Germany and Spain which are members of the EU. This is to show that the statue Daniel indicates the positionings of the countries and capitals representing the Babylonian Empire, the Persian and Medes, the Greek and the Roman Empire.....And the feet with the ten toes made of iron mixed with clay?......? Western Europe......? the EU....... ? the Revived Roman Empire?




Many Blessings.

[gilgal]

I have superimpose the statue in Daniel into the map of Europe and Middle East. The statue of Daniel is obviously facing the northwest direction from Babylon towards Europe.The golden head of the statue is in Iraq where Babylon was, the silver right arm in Persia (Susa) and the left arm somewhere in Jordan (both were once parts of the Persian Empire), the body/torso of Bronze somewhere near Greece (Athens) and the iron legs somewhere near Rome and the ten toes somewhere in Europe in Germany and Spain which are members of the EU. This is to show that the statue Daniel indicates the positionings of the countries and capitals representing the Babylonian Empire, the Persian and Medes, the Greek and the Roman Empire.....And the feet with the ten toes made of iron mixed with clay?......? Western Europe......? the EU....... ? the Revived Roman Empire?




Many Blessings.

Oh come on Cheow Wee Hock you're making up stories. How do you know this:

The statue of Daniel is obviously facing the northwest direction from Babylon towards Europe.

What were the capital/s of Greece? It was divided into four so I imagine it to have 4 capitals.

[CWH]

Oh come on Cheow Wee Hock you're making up stories. How do you know this:

What were the capital/s of Greece? It was divided into four so I imagine it to have 4 capitals.

Hi Gigal,

You are entitled to your own opinion as I am entitled to mine. I am not seeking an argument with you. Yes, Greece empire was broken up into 4 capitals, so was the Persian empire broken up into 2 and the capitals were shifted to more than 2 capitals, so were the Romans broken up into 2 capitals of the Western and Eastern Roman Empires. And into numerous capitals after the disintegration of the Western Roman Empire. What I am saying here is that I am using the main capitals as just one of the reference points, note I also mentioned about the regions that were occupied by those empires. And it SEEMS to me that the direction that those empires were moving in a western or northwestern direction. This can be proved by the Babylonian empire which started from Iraq and moving westward into Middle East and then towards Turkey and Egypt, followed by the Persian Empire which occupied most of the regions of the Babylonian empire and also seemed to move westward towards Greece, then followed by Greece empire which also occupied most of the regions of the Persian and Baylonian Empire and also seemed to expand westward occupying towards Italy, followed by the Roman Empire which occupied most of the region of the Greece empire and seemed to moved westward occupying Britain and Spain. So all those 4 empires seemed to be occupying those former regions occupied by former empires and expanded in a western/northwestward direction.....How about the (kingdom) of the feet and the ten toes made of iron and clay?.....which likely also moved in a westward and northwestward direction whilst occupying the regions of those former great empires.

41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. 42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. 43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay

Many Blessings.

[CWH]

Below are the maps of the 4 empires of Babylonian, Persian, Greek and Roman. They seemed to show the expand of these 4 empires towards the west or northwest starting from Babylonian Empire:

Babylonian Empire:


Mede/Persian Empire:


Greek Empire:


Roman Empire:



And the map of the kingdom of the feet and ten toes made of iron mixed with clay?.........

Many Blessings.

[gilgal]

Greek Empire:

Notice the Scythians were up in the north? Ezekiel's Gog.

[CWH]

Hi Gigal,

You are entitled to your own opinion as I am entitled to mine. I am not seeking an argument with you. Yes, Greece empire was broken up into 4 capitals, so was the Persian empire broken up into 2 and the capitals were shifted to more than 2 capitals, so were the Romans broken up into 2 capitals of the Western and Eastern Roman Empires. And into numerous capitals after the disintegration of the Western Roman Empire. What I am saying here is that I am using the main capitals as just one of the reference points, note I also mentioned about the regions that were occupied by those empires. And it SEEMS to me that the direction that those empires were moving in a western or northwestern direction. This can be proved by the Babylonian empire which started from Iraq and moving westward into Middle East and then towards Turkey and Egypt, followed by the Persian Empire which occupied most of the regions of the Babylonian empire and also seemed to move westward towards Greece, then followed by Greece empire which also occupied most of the regions of the Persian and Baylonian Empire and also seemed to expand westward occupying towards Italy, followed by the Roman Empire which occupied most of the region of the Greece empire and seemed to moved westward occupying Britain and Spain. So all those 4 empires seemed to be occupying those former regions occupied by former empires and expanded in a western/northwestward direction.....How about the (kingdom) of the feet and the ten toes made of iron and clay?.....which likely also moved in a westward and northwestward direction whilst occupying the regions of those former great empires.

41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. 42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. 43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.

Many Blessings.

If those empires of Babylon, Persian, Greek and Romans were expanding in an Westward or Northwestward direction while occupying those regions of the empires before them and the ten toes of the feet of the statue in Daniel seems to represent the nations of Europe then it reminds us of the colonial powers...the British, French, Italians, Spanish who later came and occupy Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon Libya, Tunisia, Ethiopia, Algeria, Morocco which were once the regions of the Babylon, Persian, Greek and Romans empires. The British, French, Portuguese and Spaniards even went further westwards or northwestwards or southwesternwards into colonizing North America and Middle America and eventually, the whole of the North and South America were colonized by the Western European powers. Therefore, were those Western colonial powers which presently are members of the EU, the ten toes of the statue in Daniel?

Many Blessings

[gilgal]

Many Blessings.

If those empires of Babylon, Persian, Greek and Romans were expanding in an Westward or Northwestward direction while occupying those regions of the empires before them and the ten toes of the feet of the statue in Daniel seems to represent the nations of Europe then it reminds us of the colonial powers...the British, French, Italians, Spanish who later came and occupy Egypt, Israel, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon Libya, Tunisia, Ethiopia, Algeria, Morocco which were once the regions of the Babylon, Persian, Greek and Romans empires. The British, French, Portuguese and Spaniards even went further westwards or northwestwards or southwesternwards into colonizing North America and Middle America and eventually, the whole of the North and South America were colonized by the Western European powers. Therefore, were those Western colonial powers which presently are members of the EU, the ten toes of the statue in Daniel?

Many Blessings

I still find it difficult to associate them with present day Europe. That was the impression of the early reformers while they viewed the Catholic Church as the Mother of Harlots because of the Inquisition. And the main city was Rome, the Vatican. And it may meant to be true back then especially since it is located on 7 hills. But now they say that there were (and are) other cities, big and important cities that are located on 7 hills/mountains, Jerusalem being one of them.

I jumped off topic to give you an illustration for caution in interpreting prophecies. I would advise however to look for the meaning of the symbolism used within these prophecies. What is the significance of horns, beasts, metals...