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  1. #131
    Sorry Richard,

    I will do a little research and compile a list of citations for you. It would be interesting for me to do that anyway.

    Here is the List -

    1. http://www.whatabeginning.com/Misc/G...enetics_VS.htm by Vernon Jenkins

    2. http://jean-yves.boulay.pagesperso-o...g/pagelin.html by Boulay

    3. Origins of Life and Evolution of Biospheres Volume 26, Numbers 3-5, 442-443, DOI: 10.1007/BF02459858

    4. The “START” and “STOP” of the genetic code: Why exactly ATG and TAG, TAA? Journal of Theoretical Biology, Volume 139, Issue 2, 21 July 1989, Pages 283-286
    V.I. Shcherbak

    5. Ways of wobble pairing are formalized with the co-operative symmetry of the genetic code Journal of Theoretical Biology, Volume 139, Issue 2, 21 July 1989, Pages 277-281
    V.I. Shcherbak

    6. The co-operative symmetry of the genetic code Journal of Theoretical Biology, Volume 132, Issue 1, 7 May 1988, Pages 121-124 V.I. Shcherbak

    7. Rumer's rule and transformation in the context of the co-operative symmetry of the genetic code Journal of Theoretical Biology, Volume 139, Issue 2, 21 July 1989, Pages 271-276
    V.I. Shcherbak

    8. Twenty Canonical Amino Acids of the Genetic Code: The Arithmetical Regularities. Part I Journal of Theoretical Biology, Volume 162, Issue 3, 7 June 1993, Pages 399-401
    V.I. Shcherbak

    9. Sixty-four Triplets and 20 Canonical Amino Acids of the Genetic Code: The Arithmetical Regularities. Part II Journal of Theoretical Biology, Volume 166, Issue 4, 21 February 1994, Pages 475-477 V.I. Shcherbak

    10. The Symmetrical Architecture of the Genetic Code Systematization Principle Journal of Theoretical Biology, Volume 162, Issue 3, 7 June 1993, Pages 395-398 V.I. Shcherbak

    11. Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code Original Research Article Biosystems, Volume 70, Issue 3, August 2003, Pages 187-209 Vladimir I. shCherbak

    12. The Symmetrical Architecture of the Genetic Code Systematization Principle Journal of Theoretical Biology, Volume 162, Issue 3, 7 June 1993, Pages 395-398 V.I. Shcherbak

    13. Shcherbak, Vladimir. "The Arithmetical Origin of the Genetic Code." In Marcello Barbieri, ed., The Codes of Life: The Rules of Macroevolution. New York: Springer, 2008, pp. 153-186


    When I am in the British Library, tomorrow, I will use their citation system to find a complete list of all the places that Shcherbak has been cited concerning his genetics work.

    Talking about the British Library, I noticed something interesting today. Outside is a huge statue of the Creator with dividing compass in hand. In front of the statue is a large circular paved area surrounded by 8 large stones. The paved area consists of 23 circles of bricks, with two breaks in the circle.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/bolckow/2599684193/




    Craig
    Last edited by Craig.Paardekooper; 09-14-2011 at 08:40 AM.

  2. #132

    Citations for Shcherbak

    I used the Scopus Database to get all the places where Shcherbak is cited. Here is the list -

    1. Mišić, N.Z.
    The self-similar numbers as a special case of cyclic numbers and their relation to the cyclic (genetic) codes
    (2010) 10th Symposium on Neural Network Applications in Electrical Engineering, NEUREL-2010 - Proceedings, art. no. 5644099, pp. 97-102.
    http://geneticcode.webs.com/Paper1.pdf


    Document Type: Conference Paper
    Source: Scopus


    2. Stojković, M.D.
    Study of the structure and polarity of amino acids in high-school teaching with the help of computer programs
    (2010) Chemistry, 19 (5), pp. 129-141.
    http://khimiya.org/pdfs/EKHIMIYA_19_5_STOIKOVIC.pdf


    Document Type: Article
    Source: Scopus


    3. Jestin, J.-L.
    A rationale for the symmetries by base substitutions of degeneracy in the genetic code
    (2010) BioSystems, 99 (1), pp. 1-5.
    http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0704/0704.0331.pdf


    Document Type: Article
    Source: Scopus


    4. Négadi, T.
    The genetic code degeneracy and the amino acids chemical composition are connected
    (2009) NeuroQuantology, 7 (1), pp. 181-187.
    http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0903/0903.4131.pdf

    Document Type: Article
    Source: Scopus


    5. Schmitt, A.O., Schuchhardt, J., Ludwig, A., Brockmann, G.A.
    Protein evolution within and between species
    (2007) Journal of Theoretical Biology, 249 (2), pp. 376-383. Cited 5 times.


    Document Type: Article
    Source: Scopus


    6. Jestin, J.-L., Soulé, C.
    Symmetries by base substitutions in the genetic code predict 2′ or 3′ aminoacylation of tRNAs
    (2007) Journal of Theoretical Biology, 247 (2), pp. 391-394. Cited 6 times.
    http://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/docs.../PDF/MS737.pdf


    Document Type: Letter
    Source: Scopus


    7. Frappat, L., Sciarrino, A.
    Conspiracy in bacterial genomes
    (2006) Physica A: Statistical Mechanics and its Applications, 369 (2), pp. 699-713. Cited 3 times.


    Document Type: Article
    Source: Scopus


    8. Stortchevoi, A.A.
    Misacylation of tRNA in prokaryotes: A re-evaluation
    (2006) Cellular and Molecular Life Sciences, 63 (7-8), pp. 820-831. Cited 1 time.


    Document Type: Review
    Source: Scopus


    9. Jestin, J.-L.
    Degeneracy in the genetic code and its symmetries by base substitutions
    (2006) Comptes Rendus - Biologies, 329 (3), pp. 168-171. Cited 6 times.


    Document Type: Article
    Source: Scopus


    10. Gonzalez, D.L., Giannerini, S., Rosa, R.
    Detecting structure in parity binary sequences
    (2005) IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Magazine, 25 (1), art. no. 1578666, pp. 69-81. Cited 1 time.


    Document Type: Article
    Source: Scopus


    11. Yang, C.M.
    On the structural regularity in nucleobases and amino acids and relationship to the origin and evolution of the genetic code
    (2005) Origins of Life and Evolution of the Biosphere, 35 (3), pp. 275-295. Cited 1 time.


    Document Type: Review
    Source: Scopus


    12. Gusev, V.A., Schulze-Makuch, D.
    Genetic code: Lucky chance or fundamental law of nature?
    (2004) Physics of Life Reviews, 1 (3), pp. 202-229. Cited 3 times.


    Document Type: Review
    Source: Scopus


    13. Igamberdiev, A.U.
    Quantum computation, non-demolition measurements, and reflective control in living systems
    (2004) BioSystems, 77 (1-3), pp. 47-56. Cited 2 times.


    Document Type: Review
    Source: Scopus


    14. Trevors, J.T., Abel, D.L.
    Chance and necessity do not explain the origin of life
    (2004) Cell Biology International, 28 (11), pp. 729-739. Cited 18 times.
    http://www.creationism.org.pl/groups...0of%20life.pdf



    Document Type: Review
    Source: Scopus


    15. Yang, C.M.
    On the 28-gon symmetry inherent in the genetic code intertwined with aminoacyl-tRNA synthetases - The Lucas series
    (2004) Bulletin of Mathematical Biology, 66 (5), pp. 1241-1257. Cited 2 times.


    Document Type: Article
    Source: Scopus


    16. Rakočević, M.M.
    A harmonic structure of the genetic code
    (2004) Journal of Theoretical Biology, 229 (2), pp. 221-234. Cited 3 times.
    http://arxiv.org/ftp/q-bio/papers/0610/0610044.pdf


    Document Type: Article
    Source: Scopus


    17. Gonzalez, D.L.
    Can the genetic code be mathematically described?
    (2004) Medical Science Monitor, 10 (4), pp. HY11-HY17. Cited 5 times.


    Document Type: Article
    Source: Scopus


    18. Négadi, T.
    Rumer's transformation, in biology, as the negation, in classical logic
    (2003) International Journal of Quantum Chemistry, 94 (2), pp. 65-74. Cited 2 times.


    Document Type: Article
    Source: Scopus


    19. ShCherbak, V.I.
    Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code
    (2003) BioSystems, 70 (3), pp. 187-209. Cited 9 times.


    Document Type: Review
    Source: Scopus


    20. Négadi, T.
    Cracking the genetic code(s) with a modular determinative degree: An algebraic approach
    (2003) International Journal of Quantum Chemistry, 91 (6), pp. 651-662. Cited 1 time.


    Document Type: Article
    Source: Scopus


    21. Downes, A.M., Richardson, B.J.
    Relationships between genomic base content and distribution of mass in coded proteins
    (2002) Journal of Molecular Evolution, 55 (4), pp. 476-490. Cited 1 time.


    Document Type: Article
    Source: Scopus


    22. Qiu, Y., Zhu, L.
    The rearranged genetic code and its implications in evolution and biochemistry
    (2000) BioSystems, 56 (2-3), pp. 139-144. Cited 3 times.


    Document Type: Article
    Source: Scopus


    23. Jestin, J.-L., Kempf, A.
    Chain termination codons and polymerase-induced frameshift mutations
    (1997) FEBS Letters, 419 (2-3), pp. 153-156. Cited 11 times.


    Document Type: Review
    Source: Scopus


    24. Nieselt-Struwe, K., Wills, P.R.
    The emergence of genetic coding in physical systems
    (1997) Journal of Theoretical Biology, 187 (1), pp. 1-14. Cited 13 times.


    Document Type: Article
    Source: Scopus


    25. Rakočević, M.M.
    Two classes of the aminoacyl-tRNA synthetases in correspondence with the codon path cube
    (1997) Bulletin of Mathematical Biology, 59 (4), pp. 645-648. Cited 2 times.


    Document Type: Article
    Source: Scopus
    Last edited by Craig.Paardekooper; 09-20-2011 at 09:43 PM.

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    A Unifying Concept for the Amino Acid Code

    Title : "A Unifying Concept for the Amino Acids"
    By Rosemarie Swanson, Department of Chemistry, Texas A & M University, College Station, TX, 77834, U.S.A.
    Ref : Bulletin of Mathematical Biology, Vol 46, No 2, pp. 187-203, 1984

    In this paper, Swanson shows that the detailed relationships of the amino acids may be summarised in the following "similarity alphabets" :

    ala, thr, gly, pro, ser

    asp, asn, glu, gln, lys

    his, arg, trp, tyr, phe

    leu, met, ile, val, cys

    She argues that there are 4 groups of amino acids : small, external, large and internal.

    What is interesting is that these groups approximate to Rakocevics groupings, though of course, Rakocevic's findings were many years later, and based on more data.

    Still, it is interesting that Swanson detected fundamental groupings within the amino acids that eventually led to Rakocevics classifications and their numerical expression in the 703/666 matrix.

  5. #135

    Message from Natasa Misic

    Dear Craig,

    Thank you so much you contacted me.

    I looked your and Vernon’s site and it is great what both of you have done. I also saw your text Structural Numbers of the Bible on the wonderful McGough’s site - The Bible Wheel. I deeply support yours efforts.

    I sent you a part of my M.S. thesis which is related to citation in paper from NEUREL conference. You will see from that part that prof. Rakočević and me were in collaboration, but then we separated because he was mainly interesting in different alphanumerical regularities, while I was mainly in mathematical properties of number 037. Whole my story is coming from the simple question: “Why just 037?”

    I had seen your site about one-two years ago, but from the similar reasons that I am not so much interested in various arithmetical regularities, I didn’t pay full attention. This time I have seen result about total AAs molar masses (2738) which I have revealed before about two months, but I didn’t make such detailed research as you – terrific results.

    Because of my aggravating circumstances, I didn’t publish the most of my research, but in next year I will reveal most of things. Right now, I am preparing a paper which is related to water, and as soon as it is accepted, I will send it. So, please, be a patient about my papers.

    Best wishes for all and yours sincerely,

    Nataša Mišić

    University of Belgrade
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    Paper by Natasa Misic - Mišić, N.Z. The self-similar numbers as a special case of cyclic numbers and their relation to the cyclic (genetic) codes
    (2010) 10th Symposium on Neural Network Applications in Electrical Engineering, NEUREL-2010 - Proceedings, art. no. 5644099, pp. 97-102.

    http://geneticcode.webs.com/Paper1.pdf
    Last edited by Craig.Paardekooper; 10-02-2011 at 09:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig.Paardekooper View Post
    Dear Craig,

    Thank you so much you contacted me.

    I looked your and Vernon’s site and it is great what both of you have done. I also saw your text Structural Numbers of the Bible on the wonderful McGough’s site - The Bible Wheel. I deeply support yours efforts.

    I sent you a part of my M.S. thesis which is related to citation in paper from NEUREL conference. You will see from that part that prof. Rakočević and me were in collaboration, but then we separated because he was mainly interesting in different alphanumerical regularities, while I was mainly in mathematical properties of number 037. Whole my story is coming from the simple question: 'Why just 037?'

    I had seen your site about one-two years ago, but from the similar reasons that I am not so much interested in various arithmetical regularities, I didn’t pay full attention. This time I have seen result about total AAs molar masses (2738) which I have revealed before about two months, but I didn’t make such detailed research as you – terrific results.

    Because of my aggravating circumstances, I didn’t publish the most of my research, but in next year I will reveal most of things. Right now, I am preparing a paper which is related to water, and as soon as it is accepted, I will send it. So, please, be a patient about my papers.



    Best wishes for all and yours sincerely,

    Nataša Mišić


    Paper by Natasa Misic - Mišić, N.Z.
    The self-similar numbers as a special case of cyclic numbers and their relation to the cyclic (genetic) codes
    (2010) 10th Symposium on Neural Network Applications in Electrical Engineering, NEUREL-2010 - Proceedings, art. no. 5644099, pp. 97-102.
    http://geneticcode.webs.com/Paper1.pdf
    Fascinating stuff. Thanks for sharing this info, and the link to her paper.
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    Pattern of alternating cells built around 0.55
    Vernon Jenkins compared the sums of alternating cells within the amino acid table.
    He found that –
    Sum of odd cells (coloured white) = 1331.45 = 2 x 666 – 0.55
    Sum of even cells (coloured blue) = 1406.55 = 2 x 703 + 0.55
    Stephen Coneglan observed that 55 is the exact midpoint between 0.37 and 0.73
    0.55 = 0.73 – 0.18
    0.55 = 0.37 + 0.18
    This quote is taken from my paper "The Creation of the Genetic Code"
    http://www.craigdemo.co.uk/geneticscode1.pdf

    What is curious is the play on numbers. As Vernon and Steve Coneglan pointed out - 55 is the midpoint between 37 and 73.

    What is also noticed is that 55 = 73 - (6 + 6 + 6)

    which is an extraordinary play on the pattern 703 - 666

    It will be recalled that the whole of Rakocevic's pattern is built around 703 and 666, as is also Vernons Genesis 1 pattern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig.Paardekooper View Post
    This quote is taken from my paper "The Creation of the Genetic Code"
    http://www.craigdemo.co.uk/geneticscode1.pdf

    What is curious is the play on numbers. As Vernon and Steve Coneglan pointed out - 55 is the midpoint between 37 and 73.

    What is also noticed is that 55 = 73 - (6 + 6 + 6)

    which is an extraordinary play on the pattern 703 - 666

    It will be recalled that the whole of Rakocevic's pattern is built around 703 and 666, as is also Vernons Genesis 1 pattern.
    I was going to mention that I wrote a lot about the connection between 37, 73 and 55 in my article called The Work of Creation but I read your pdf and noticed that you used the graphic from that article:



    I think you did a good job with the article. It was nice that you acknowledged Stephen Coneglan and Vernon Jenkins. Is there a reason you didn't you acknowledge my contribution? You even clipped the reference to my site from the image that you used. What's up with that?
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    Hey Craig,

    When reading your pdf, I noticed that you linked to a different page of wikipedia for the molecular weight of each of the 20 amino acids. Why didn't you use this page?

    http://www.webqc.org/aminoacids.php

    It gives all the weights in a single table on a single page, and to four decimal places! That's two orders of magnitude more accurate than the numbers you used in your paper. It would really help if you used the more accurate values.

    All the best,

    Richard
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    Well, you finally got me sufficiently curious to check the numbers using the values to four decimal places given on this page:

    http://www.webqc.org/aminoacids.php

    Here are the results:



    The results are very close. The total comes to 2738.016. The sums are not quite as perfect as your "two decimal place" improvement over Rakocevic's "one decimal place" approximation. The alternating sums are very close but slightly different. I find the whole thing mystifying and intriguing. The numbers are tightly integrated with the alphanumeric structure of Genesis 1. This "coincidence" - that the same numbers govern the opening verse of Genesis and the elements of DNA is exceedingly striking.
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