Good line! But you know why Freud had to say it. He had a wicked cigar habit and the Freudian implica ...
But your point is well taken.
KJV Ezekiel 43:18 ¶ And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.
I never noticed that before. It certainly puts some weight on your side of the scales.
But I can't "just accept the plain text" here if it contradicts the plain text there. In other words, a proper understanding of Scripture will have to make sense overall, on a grand scale, and the idea of a Temple with sacrifices that sound just like what was going on when Jesus first came makes no sense at all in light of the whole Bible.
KJV Hebrews 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
It seems like a horrible backwards movement, completely out of harmony with the entire message of Scripture, to suggest that they will go back to types and shadows.
And that's why your question about Ezekiel's Temple is "curly" as you put it in the other post. You know we aren't just dodging when we have trouble accepting the literal meaning of this vision.
Now we still have a lot of work to do with that whole "replacement theology" thang which does not seem well defined because you yourself admit that Paul refers to the Church as Israel. So I really don't know what you are getting at when you complain about "attempts to subsume everything into the church" since that's exactly what Paul did!
Ephesians 1:20-23 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
The church is heir of the world because only those in the house of faith are sons of Abraham:
Romans 4:13 13 ¶ For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
It is my contention that True Israel was transformed into the church when Christ came. If you were a physical son of Abraham at the time of Christ, and you rejected the Lord, your spiritual state was no different than any other unbeliever. There is no Jew or Gentile in Christ. The wall of separation has been abolished in his flesh by the cross. Its done. I am guessing we still need to hash this one out. Its amazing how interconnected theology really is. Joel and I found that we had to discuss the rapture before we could sort out the Body vs. Bride thing, and now you and I find that we need to sort out the basic relation between the Church and Israel before we can sort out this thing Ezekiel's Temple.
What part of his material did you think applies to the question at hand, and how?
I understand you are frustrated. I hope "blowing off" a little steam in this thread helped. And I really hope you know that I hear you, but my beliefs are based on a very large and profoundly coherent image of the message of the whole Bible so I can't randomly change one part without another part changing into something else since everything is interconnected and so we have to discuss the whole Bible at once and that aint no task for the faint-hearted! Or the impatient!
But seriously, that was a great post Stephen! Very challenging. I look forward to working this out with you and our friends .. I know I have a lot to learn about Ezek 40-48.