Noah Ark

[NumberX]

I don't think you are worth replying on. Go make your time useful and go search for an ark in publications of excavations

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Dear CWH,

Ah there are Bible translations who give info like that. In my Bible translation they kept the original numbers. Translations we see as further from the real deal. You say you are not sure of the meaning of the numbers, well I am. This bible story can not be taken literally like with excavations. There are many like this which can not be taken literally like with excavations and performance, who gave you that idea?
And numerology is not the right word. It is the Hebrew language that is connected to these numbers. We are talking about the Hebrew language here, not a seperated designation.

Now you like to draw my attention to another part of the Bible. But I don't go for that. I stick to the subject.

Because the word 'language' made out of the numbers of the language itself, language which connects with the word tebah in the same language which means 'word', it is like this.

One can ask him/herself why is the sequence in Gen. 6:15 another sequence then the word LaSHoN has? An explanation I have read about is that the first sign (letter) of a hebrew word (or word-stem, don't remember) is seen as vertically connecting heaven with earth. In this occasion it is the Lamed in the hebrew signs, which coincidentally is the one that reaches most high. LaSHoN, language.

Did you learn from it? Or can we be sure you remain unsure and later on you like to support an earthly excavationed arc again and do not connect with the hebrew language where the site mainly is about. I understand it draws attention from all kinds of languages

Very interesting connections.

Tebah (Ark, Vessel) does indeed mean "word" in modern Hebrew. Furthermore, it is directly connected to the name of the Second Letter, Bet, which means "house" -

The Ark (HaTebah) = 412 = Bet (House)

And Bet is itself the symbol of the Word, the title of the Second Person of the Trinity. Words are "containers" that define things by saying what is "in" and what is "out." I have written about that here and here.

The dimensions 30, 300, 50 do indeed correspond to the values of Lamed, Shin, Nun which spell Lashan (tongue).

So the connections run deep here.

[NumberX]

Lashan is tongue too yes and where do we then think about in the N.T.? Speaking, expressing yourself, in tongues..?

[Victor]

Now you like to draw my attention to another part of the Bible. But I don't go for that. I stick to the subject.

Because the word 'language' made out of the numbers of the language itself, language which connects with the word tebah in the same language which means 'word', it is like this.

One can ask him/herself why is the sequence in Gen. 6:15 another sequence then the word LaSHoN has? An explanation I have read about is that the first sign (letter) of a hebrew word (or word-stem, don't remember) is seen as vertically connecting heaven with earth. In this occasion it is the Lamed in the hebrew signs, which coincidentally is the one that reaches most high. LaSHoN, language.

Very interesting connections.

Tebah (Ark, Vessel) does indeed mean "word" in modern Hebrew. Furthermore, it is directly connected to the name of the Second Letter, Bet, which means "house" -

The Ark (HaTebah) = 412 = Bet (House)

And Bet is itself the symbol of the Word, the title of the Second Person of the Trinity. Words are "containers" that define things by saying what is "in" and what is "out." I have written about that here and here.

The dimensions 30, 300, 50 do indeed correspond to the values of Lamed, Shin, Nun which spell Lashan (tongue).

So the connections run deep here.

I was reading NumberX's posts on Tebah and didn't quite understand them, but things begin to get clearer now.

The Ark was a symbol of the Word. Tebah = Word. The Ark was a container just like a word is. Words are like houses - they contain meaning.

Words are linguistic signs. In Hebrew, sign is Oth, whose numerical value is 407. We have:

Ark (Tebah) = 407 = Sign (Oth)

Noah's Ark had three stories, just like the Cosmos had three levels - heaven, land and sea. As a "word/sign/house," the Ark contained a small transitional world - a microcosmos that carried the Adamic covenant order onto the new one. Genesis 8 narrates the new creation.

The concepts of Cosmos and Word are congruent. (Matthew 24:35) The Ark was thus both "cosmos" and "word." It is very interesting then to find that the measurements of the ark correspond to the gematria of tongue (lashon) and firmament (raqiya)! Psalm 19 says:

Psa 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
Psa 19:2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
Psa 19:3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
Psa 19:4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world.

The Ark speaks volumes. In fact, 450,000 cubic cubits! I'll write more as I find time.

[NumberX]

Great! Sign, Oth, means also planet right? Nasa searching for life on other planets is .. yeah what to think about that
Words create also. They are on the base of let's say creating a sky scraper. And they create feelings, in ourselves and in others. And we think and dream in words. God created with words. Examples of Psa 19:4 can be found here

Is there also a connection with tebah and aron? Both are translated by arc (too). Aron is like 'light-box'.
I already see one, written in psa 19:4 and 6.

When the arc (aron) starts to move something important happens and that is written in Num. 10:35-36. These verses are inclosed by two nun's that are written upside down. My professor has written about these two upside down nun's, if anyone likes to know I can look it up.

In the light of the topic where this is under - Current events - let's now all take a look at The Arc the Triomph. This one does not float very well, but we don't need to excavate something to see The Arc The Triomph do we?

[Victor]

The volume of the Ark is 300 x 50 x 30 cubic cubits, which is 450,000 and can thus be factorized into:

Ark's Volume = (15 + 15 + 15) x 10,000 cubic cubits

The measurements of the Ark appear in Genesis 6:15. So we have some connections between the Number 15 and the Ark's measurements.

Since these measurements also spell the letters of the word "tongue", I associated the tongue with Spoke 15. In James on Spoke 15 we learn about the correct use of our tongues. James 3:4 even compares the tongue to the helm of a great ship. This reminds me that the Ark probably didn't have a helm - it was a ship that was itself a "helm" controlled by the Almighty.

What does the Ark "speak"? It preaches the Gospel of Salvation. The Ark is a prophetic pre-image of baptism and our salvation in Christ. The Ark account in Genesis is then followed by the confusion of tongues.

In the NT there's a similar plot, but reversed. Acts 2 is Babel in reverse. Gentiles are not scattered but instead attracted to the Gospel, which is heard in their own tongues. When they hear the Word, they are baptized and saved.

[Victor]

I don't think you are worth replying on. Go make your time useful and go search for an ark in publications of excavations

Speaking of the tongue, NumberX, I think you could have shown a little more grace to brother Cheow. Maybe his comments were off mark somewhat but he is "worth replying on".

[CWH]

Speaking of the tongue, NumberX, I think you could have shown a little more grace to brother Cheow. Maybe his comments were off mark somewhat but he is "worth replying on".

Thanks Victor for your support.

It's ok, I don't expect everyone to like me in this forum as after all I don't talk in the same "frequency" as them.

God don't give specific instructions on how to built something unless there is significance in His instructions. I am very sure that if Noah did not follow those specifications given by God to build the Ark, the Ark would have been smash to pieces by the raging flood waters and the pounding rain. Many modern ships are also build based on such specifications to ensure stability... width 1/6 of the length, height 1/10 of the length etc. including the cubic volume. This show the wisdom of God. I believe that such instructions were not only based on scientific principles but it may also carry numerical codes and it would be best to leave it for numerology experts such as yourself Victor and RAM to dig them out. This goes for the meticulous instructions given by God in the building of His Temple not only to ensure structural stability but awaiting for someone to discover the numerological codes.

As for the Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat, it may have been disintegrated after so long or certain parts of the Ark may still be intact, no one is sure. But as Christians, we certainly should have the aspiration and support that the Ark still exist on Mount Ararat as that will prove to the world that what the Bible said is true. Things may take a few thousand years to be discovered, take for example, it took 2,200 years for the mausoleum and the terra cotta of the first Qin Emperor of China to be discovered. Therefore, that has been my hope and aspiration that one day, Noah's Ark will also be discovered as a witness to the world of the accuracy of biblical record.

Many Blessings.

[NumberX]

Speaking of the tongue, NumberX, I think you could have shown a little more grace to brother Cheow. Maybe his comments were off mark somewhat but he is "worth replying on".

Well you go ahead with replying on him I can see it has no sense. I see him more like a spirit that wanders around, that likes to change biblical words, is not able to learn and is not able to change point of view, as he says himself. Do we learn from him? Did he learn from us?
You by the way made an excellent post, we learn from each other. I know enough of the subject now.

[CWH]

Well you go ahead with replying on him I can see it has no sense. I see him more like a spirit that wanders around, that likes to change biblical words, is not able to learn and is not able to change point of view, as he says himself. Do we learn from him? Did he learn from us?
You by the way made an excellent post, we learn from each other. I know enough of the subject now.

Learning is an on-going process. Yes, I do learn from others in this forum. Even if what is said is disagreeable or make no sense does not mean it is useless. This forum comprises of people from other theological positions; there are futurists, partial futurists, Full preterists, partial preterists, historists and I believe idealists also. What is disagreeable to you or make no sense to you does not mean it is disagreeable and non-sense to others. This is what makes this forum lively. Even comments made that seem disagreeable and non-sense to me, I do put aside as it may come useful to me one day in my understanding of the scriptures, who knows? As I have said, we should be very glad if 50% of what we said comes true. To say that one is 100% right and others are totally wrong is not only disrespectful of the view of others but arrogant. I have nothing against you NumberX but that arrogance that you have portrayed. Everybody has the right to believe what he wants to believe, hear what he wants to hear, say what he wants to say, it's perfectly ok with me. I am just merely putting my ideas across in the pursuit to understand the scriptures for myself and for others. One day we may be inspired and reflect, "Oh yes, I remember Richard and Rose said this, or Victor said this" and so on.

Many Blessings.