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    Jonah's chapters

    One thing going through my mind at the moment is the book of Jonah:

    Check these links for now because it's going ot take a while to highlight the words in the forum tools:
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    Jonah 1
    1Now the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying,
    2Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.
    3But Jonah rose up to flee unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD, and went down to Joppa; and he found a ship going to Tarshish: so he paid the fare thereof, and went down into it, to go with them unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD.
    4But the LORD sent out a great wind into the sea, and there was a mighty tempest in the sea, so that the ship was like to be broken.
    5Then the mariners were afraid, and cried every man unto his god, and cast forth the wares that were in the ship into the sea, to lighten it of them. But Jonah was gone down into the sides of the ship; and he lay, and was fast asleep.
    6So the shipmaster came to him, and said unto him, What meanest thou, O sleeper? arise, call upon thy God, if so be that God will think upon us, that we perish not.
    7And they said every one to his fellow, Come, and let us cast lots, that we may know for whose cause this evil is upon us. So they cast lots, and the lot fell upon Jonah.
    8Then said they unto him, Tell us, we pray thee, for whose cause this evil is upon us; What is thine occupation? and whence comest thou? what is thy country? and of what people art thou?
    9And he said unto them, I am an Hebrew; and I fear the LORD, the God of heaven, which hath made the sea and the dry land.
    10Then were the men exceedingly afraid, and said unto him. Why hast thou done this? For the men knew that he fled from the presence of the LORD, because he had told them.
    11Then said they unto him, What shall we do unto thee, that the sea may be calm unto us? for the sea wrought, and was tempestuous.
    12And he said unto them, Take me up, and cast me forth into the sea; so shall the sea be calm unto you: for I know that for my sake this great tempest is upon you.
    13Nevertheless the men rowed hard to bring it to the land; but they could not: for the sea wrought, and was tempestuous against them.
    14Wherefore they cried unto the LORD, and said, We beseech thee, O LORD, we beseech thee, let us not perish for this man's life, and lay not upon us innocent blood: for thou, O LORD, hast done as it pleased thee.
    15So they look up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging.
    16Then the men feared the LORD exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice unto the LORD, and made vows.
    17Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
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    Jonah 3
    1And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,
    2Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.
    3So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.
    4And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
    5So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
    6For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
    7And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
    8But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
    9Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
    10And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
    So the first and third chapters share phrases. And so do chapters 2 and 4:
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    Jonah 2
    1Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,
    2And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
    3For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.
    4Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.
    5The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.
    6I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.
    7When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.
    8They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.
    9But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.
    10And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.
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    Jonah 4
    1But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.
    2And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.
    3Therefore now, O LORD, take, I beseech thee, my life from me; for it is better for me to die than to live.
    4Then said the LORD, Doest thou well to be angry?
    5So Jonah went out of the city, and sat on the east side of the city, and there made him a booth, and sat under it in the shadow, till he might see what would become of the city.
    6And the LORD God prepared a gourd, and made it to come up over Jonah, that it might be a shadow over his head, to deliver him from his grief. So Jonah was exceeding glad of the gourd.
    7But God prepared a worm when the morning rose the next day, and it smote the gourd that it withered.
    8And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live.
    9And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death.
    10Then said the LORD, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:
    11And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more then sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?
    When you read chapters 1 and 3 you'll notice that the phrase occur on the same verses. Chapter 1:1-3 and chapter 3:1-3

    But two and four are 1 verse apart. Why? Because the King James has Jonah 2:1 as Jonah 1:17. Putting this into consideration the words fall on the same verses.
    Last edited by gilgal; 11-15-2011 at 12:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilgal View Post
    One thing going through my mind at the moment is the book of Jonah:

    Check these links for now because it's going ot take a while to highlight the words in the forum tools:
    http://n.1asphost.com/wheelofgod/sho...rde=&Keywordf=

    http://n.1asphost.com/wheelofgod/sho...rde=&Keywordf=
    So the first and third chapters share phrases. And so do chapters 2 and 4:
    http://n.1asphost.com/wheelofgod/sho...rde=&Keywordf=

    http://n.1asphost.com/wheelofgod/sho...rde=&Keywordf=
    When you read chapters 1 and 3 you'll notice that the phrase occur on the same verses. Chapter 1:1-3 and chapter 3:1-3

    But two and four are 1 verse apart. Why? Because the King James has Jonah 2:1 as Jonah 1:17. Putting this into consideration the words fall on the same verses.
    Hi Gilgal,

    I think smaller bites with some explanations of what we are supposed to be seeing would help. I clicked on the links, but I didn't understand what you were trying to share.

    Thanks!

    Richard

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    Ok I fixed it. It should be clear. Compare Chapter 1 with 3 and then 2 with 4. The words in common are structured to appear in the same verses. Except for 2 :1 and 4:2 because the King James takes the 1st verse of 2:1 and gives it to chapter 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilgal View Post
    Ok I fixed it. It should be clear. Compare Chapter 1 with 3 and then 2 with 4. The words in common are structured to appear in the same verses. Except for 2 :1 and 4:2 because the King James takes the 1st verse of 2:1 and gives it to chapter 1.
    Oh - I get it. You are looking at Jonah like an interwoven tapestry, correct? A common thread runs through Chapters 1 & 3, and another thread through Chapters 2 & 4.

    I think that kind of insight is very important. I am always delighted when we find symmetry in the Bible. Many scholarly papers have been written on patterns like that, but usually they are attributed to nothing but human artifice. That's why modern scholars stumble over the Bible Wheel, they can't study it because the patterns can not be attributed to mere humans, and the idea that God actually had anything to do with the Bible is anathema to the modern mind and mocked (if not completely ignored) in most seminaries.

    Your pattern reminds me of the alternating occurrence of "Nineveh" in the Minor Prophets. I discuss this in the Spoke 12 article Assyria, the Rod of God's Anger:




    The challenge now is to learn to present your ideas in a more compact form. It is difficult to discern the pattern when too much text is displayed. I'll give it some thought and let you know if I have any good ideas.

    Thanks for your contribution gilgal!

    Richard

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    That's right.

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    This new forum is amazing. Now you can display tables which is very useful.

    Since this new forum allows tables I wanted to redisplay the book of Jonah. As I inserted the verses I got some new insights as well:

    Looking for the word of the lord came unto jonah/arise, go, rose/of the lord, to Nineveh, that great city, and went/to
    Jonah 1 Jonah 3
    1Now the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying,
    Amittai: h573
    אמתי 'Amittay = my truth an Aleph word, relating to the verse number
    saying is an Aleph word: h559
    אמר 'amar , relating to the verse number
    1And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,
    saying is an Aleph word: h559
    אמר 'amar , relating to the verse number
    2Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.
    Nineveh/great city appears in the Bible for the first time in Genesis 10:

    Genesis 10
    11
    Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,
    12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same [is] a great city.

    Jonah is the 10th prophetic book from Isaiah and is the 32nd book overall thus Spoke 10 (102).
    2Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.
    Nineveh/great city appears in the Bible for the first time in Genesis 10:

    Genesis 10
    11
    Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah,
    12 And Resen between Nineveh and Calah: the same [is] a great city.

    Jonah is the 10th prophetic book from Isaiah and is the 32nd book overall thus Spoke 10 (102).
    3But Jonah rose up to flee unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD, and went down to Joppa; and he found a ship going to Tarshish: so he paid the fare thereof, and went down into it, to go with them unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD.
    rose/arose h6965
    קום quwm is related to the resurrection of Jesus Christ on the 3rd day; note the number of the verse is 3
    Tarshish appears in the Bible for the first time in Genesis 10:

    Genesis 10
    4
    And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
    3So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.
    rose/arose h6965
    קום quwm is related to the resurrection of Jesus Christ on the 3rd day; note the number of the verse is 3
    4But the LORD sent out a great wind into the sea [ h3220
    ים yam ]
    , and there was a mighty tempest in the sea [ h3220
    ים yam ]
    , so that the ship was like to be broken.
    Now here's an observation.

    Compare day, sea and the number 40 with Jonah 3.

    First of all the number 40 appears in verse 4 related to the 4th book Numbers and Matthew and Luke 4.

    Also the letter Mayim has a Gematria/Numerical value of 40. The letter also means from the sea. Also the word for day is Yom which is a Vav inserted in between the letters Yam (sea).
    4And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's [ h3117
    יום yowm ]
    journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty [ h705
    ארבעים 'arba`iym ]
    days [ h3117
    יום yowm ]
    , and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
    Now here's an observation.

    Compare day, sea and the number 40 with Jonah 1.

    First of all the number 40 appears in verse 4 related to the 4th book Numbers and Matthew and Luke 4.

    Also the letter Mayim has a Gematria/Numerical value of 40. The letter also means from the sea. Also the word for day is Yom which is a Vav inserted in between the letters Yam (sea).
    5Then the mariners were afraid, and cried every man unto his god, and cast forth the wares that were in the ship into the sea, to lighten it of them. But Jonah was gone down into the sides of the ship; and he lay, and was fast asleep. 5So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
    6So the shipmaster came to him, and said unto him, What meanest thou, O sleeper? arise, call upon thy God, if so be that God will think upon us, that we perish not. 6For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
    7And they said every one to his fellow, Come, and let us cast lots, that we may know for whose cause this evil is upon us. So they cast lots, and the lot fell upon Jonah. 7And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
    8Then said they unto him, Tell us, we pray thee, for whose cause this evil is upon us; What is thine occupation? and whence comest thou? what is thy country? and of what people art thou? 8But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
    9And he said unto them, I am an Hebrew; and I fear the LORD, the God of heaven, which hath made the sea and the dry land. 9Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
    10Then were the men exceedingly afraid [ h3374
    יראה yir'ah ]
    , and said unto him. Why hast thou done this? For the men knew [ h3045
    ידע yada` ]
    that he fled from the presence of the LORD, because he had told them.
    10And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
    11Then said they unto him, What shall we do unto thee, that the sea may be calm unto us? for the sea wrought, and was tempestuous.
    12And he said unto them, Take me up, and cast me forth into the sea; so shall the sea be calm unto you: for I know that for my sake this great tempest is upon you.
    13Nevertheless the men rowed hard to bring it to the land; but they could not: for the sea wrought, and was tempestuous against them.
    14Wherefore they cried unto the LORD, and said, We beseech thee, O LORD, we beseech thee, let us not perish for this man's life, and lay not upon us innocent blood: for thou, O LORD, hast done as it pleased thee.
    15So they look up Jonah, and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging.
    16Then the men feared the LORD exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice unto the LORD, and made vows.

    So the first and third chapters share phrases. And so do chapters 2 and 4:

    Looking for prayed unto the lord, Nineveh, that great city
    Jonah 2 Jonah 4
    1:17Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

    The Masoretic Text
    shows 1:17 as 2:1
    1But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.
    1Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly, 2And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.

    Verse 2 relates to the 2nd book Exodus
    Exodus 34
    6
    And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
    7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear [the guilty]; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth [generation].

    Also the 2nd chapter of Romans
    Romans 2
    4
    Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
    2And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice. 3Therefore now, O LORD, take, I beseech thee, my life from me; for it is better for me to die than to live.
    3For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me. 4Then said the LORD, Doest thou well to be angry?
    4Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple. 5So Jonah went out of the city, and sat on the east side of the city, and there made him a booth, and sat under it in the shadow, till he might see what would become of the city.
    5The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head. 6And the LORD God prepared a gourd, and made it to come up over Jonah, that it might be a shadow over his head, to deliver him from his grief. So Jonah was exceeding glad of the gourd.
    6I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God. 7But God prepared a worm when the morning rose the next day, and it smote the gourd that it withered.
    7When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple. 8And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live.
    8They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy. 9And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death.
    9But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD. 10Then said the LORD, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:
    10And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land. 11And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more then sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?

    When you read chapters 1 and 3 you'll notice that the phrase occur on the same verses. Chapter 1:1-3 and chapter 3:1-3

    But two and four are 1 verse apart. Why? Because the King James has Jonah 2:1 as Jonah 1:17. Putting this into consideration the words fall on the same verses.

    More on Jonah:
    http://www.biblewheel.com/forum/sear...?searchid=1087
    Last edited by gilgal; 11-15-2011 at 11:13 PM.

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    I was hoping Iwould find something on Amittai other than the name of Jonah's father and found none:
    http://www.biblewheel.com/gr/GR_Data...ngs=573&Lang=H

    Amittai means my truth right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilgal View Post
    I was hoping Iwould find something on Amittai other than the name of Jonah's father and found none:
    http://www.biblewheel.com/gr/GR_Data...ngs=573&Lang=H

    Amittai means my truth right?
    Yep, that's what it means.
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    Jonah on the other hand has:
    http://www.biblewheel.com/gr/GR_Data...gs=3124&Lang=H

    It means dove:
    http://www.biblewheel.com/gr/GR_Data...gs=3123&Lang=H

    The reason I'm searching these is that usually the BibleWheel shows a name or the meaning of the name within the same spoke and sometimes the same context/chapter as well. But this one doesn't.

    Unless the focus of Spoke 10 is that it's the yod at the end of Amittai which indicates possession mine.
    Jonah is a yod word.
    Last edited by gilgal; 11-24-2011 at 02:16 PM.

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    2 Samuel 11:27 KJV - And when the mourning was past, David sent and fetched her to his house, and she became his wife, and bare him a son. But the thing that David had done displeased the LORD.
    Jonah 4:1 KJV - But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.
    Dislease h3415 ירע yara` a yod word

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