Why was Jesus Tortured?

[Rose]

Have you ever wondered why part of God’s plan for sacrificing his son included torturing him? If one looks back at the Hebrew sacrificial system contained in the Bible, held by believers to be given of the biblegod, it doesn’t include torturing the animals that are to be sacrificed. The animals are killed in a humane way by slitting their throats; this wasn’t the case with Jesus. Supposedly the whole plan of salvation, construed in the mind of Yahweh included not only the horrendous death of being crucified, but also the inhumane act of being beaten to a bloody pulp by flogging.

If the biblegod needed a human sacrifice to fulfill his plan of saving people from their sins, why was it necessary to torture that person to death? If it was the death itself that was needed, what was the use of the agonizing torture that led to it? Does Yahweh delight in human suffering? The authors of the Bible seem to think so. God could have chosen to have Jesus killed without torturing him, but he didn’t…why?


Rose

[CWH]

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Have you ever wondered why part of God’s plan for sacrificing his son included torturing him? If one looks back at the Hebrew sacrificial system contained in the Bible, held by believers to be given of the biblegod, it doesn’t include torturing the animals that are to be sacrificed. The animals are killed in a humane way by slitting their throats; this wasn’t the case with Jesus. Supposedly the whole plan of salvation, construed in the mind of Yahweh included not only the horrendous death of being crucified, but also the inhumane act of being beaten to a bloody pulp by flogging.

If the biblegod needed a human sacrifice to fulfill his plan of saving people from their sins, why was it necessary to torture that person to death? If it was the death itself that was needed, what was the use of the agonizing torture that led to it? Does Yahweh delight in human suffering? The authors of the Bible seem to think so. God could have chosen to have Jesus killed without torturing him, but he didn’t…why?

There was no torture, show me any passage in which Jesus was crying or groaning in pain and agony while on the cross. There were real incidents in which our body endorphins null the pain of sufferers in an accident. It is like giving a jab of morphine. There was a case in which the victim's leg was detached in an accident without him knowing or feeling any pain. I do not know for sure if endorphins worked on Jesus but I do know that there is no mention of pain or agony when Jesus was flogged or crucified. The only claim that I can say is that Jesus did suffered the flogging and crucifixion but not the torture.

The whole story of the crucifixion is to symboliize that a believing Christian will have to go through the sufferings as He suffered and be rewarded. It also symbolizes the redemption of sin of all sinners if they believed in Him. The cross is a symbol of between earth and heaven and with Jesus in the centre as an "in-between" who will judge who goes to heaven and who goes to hell, "No one goes to the Father except through Him". I don't think God will want His people to go through the torture. He wants His people to experience the suffering so as to built character of resilience and perseverance against evil and evildoers as in the case of Jesus. Such resilience and perseverance built faith and righteousness and the love of God in the believers so that "whoever persevere will be saved".

May God help us to persevere through our sufferings.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

There was no torture, show me any passage in which Jesus was crying or groaning in pain and agony while on the cross. There were real incidents in which our body endorphins null the pain of sufferers in an accident. It is like giving a jab of morphine. There was a case in which the victim's leg was detached in an accident without him knowing or feeling any pain. I do not know for sure if endorphins worked on Jesus but I do know that there is no mention of pain or agony when Jesus was flogged or crucified. The only claim that I can say is that Jesus did suffered the flogging and crucifixion but not the torture.

Your comment is ludicrous. Everyone has endorphins but no one has ever been crucified without suffering excruciating pain. The word "excruciating" literally means "from the cross" (crucis) - it is a word that was invented to describe the worst possible pain, the pain that a crucified person would feel. For you to suggest that Christ felt no pain on the cross is perhaps the craziest thing you have ever said. And given the amount of crazy things you have said, that's saying a lot.

Why do you make up such ridiculous speculations? Do you know even ONE Christian on this planet who would agree with you on this point? If not, why do you pretend to be a Christian at all?

And while we are talking, why do you always put an extra quote tag at the top of you posts? It ruins the format and I have to remove them whenever I answer you.

The whole story of the crucifixion is to symboliize that a believing Christian will have to go through the sufferings as He suffered and be rewarded.

What sufferings? His endorphins kicked in, remember?

It also symbolizes the redemption of sin of all sinners if they believed in Him.

Well all those Canaanites and Midianites that God commanded to be slaughtered certainly didn't "believe in him." So there goes your ludicrous argument that God did them no wrong because he will "raise them up again." Have you forgotten about eternal punishment? Or what, are you now a Universalist? Everyone goes to heaven? No ... that can't be right since you said they have to "believe in him." Your comments make no sense at all, and they are not even remotely Christian. Don't you realize this? Don't you go to church? Why do you pretend to be a Christian if in reality all you have done is made up your own religion?

The cross is a symbol of between earth and heaven and with Jesus in the centre as an "in-between" who will judge who goes to heaven and who goes to hell, "No one goes to the Father except through Him". I don't think God will want His people to go through the torture. He wants His people to experience the suffering so as to built character of resilience and perseverance against evil and evildoers as in the case of Jesus. Such resilience and perseverance built faith and righteousness and the love of God in the believers so that "whoever persevere will be saved".

OK- so you do believe in hell. Great! Do all Muslims go to heaven? Do all Hindus? Do you have any idea at all what you really believe?

[weeder]

Hi Rose.

Where do you get the idea that torture was part of Gods plan.?

Jesus ,as he hung in agony, didnt blame God for that torure, but rather asked his Father to forgive those who tortured him.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

There was no torture, show me any passage in which Jesus was crying or groaning in pain and agony while on the cross.

You're right Cheow. I can't believe how all those stupid Christians went and made up all those silly stories about the suffering of Christ on the cross.

I now understand the Gospel according to Monty Python, all thanks to you and your diligent study of the Truth of God's Word!

All we need to do is "Look on the Bright Side of Life" - that's all that's needed:

[Rose]

Hi Rose.

Where do you get the idea that torture was part of Gods plan.?

Jesus ,as he hung in agony, didnt blame God for that torure, but rather asked his Father to forgive those who tortured him.

Hi Weeder,

If it wasn't part of God's plan it never would have happened. According to Jesus everything that he did was the will of his father, so that means allowing himself to be tortured was part of God's plan.

Rose

[weeder]

Hi Weeder,

If it wasn't part of God's plan it never would have happened.

Mankind does have a mind of its own. It was Gods will that we recieve him, not crucify him.

According to Jesus everything that he did was the will of his father, so that means allowing himself to be tortured was part of God's plan.

Rose

Jesus sweated blood as he asked the Father that there might be another way, hoping to avoid the inevitable. He knew there wasnt and trusted Father to raise him on the 3rd day...which he did.

Being sinless, death had no power to hold him..death lost its grip on the human race through the resurrection and the promise of Eternal life. This complete restoration from the curses of death could not have been met any other way.

[Rose]

Mankind does have a mind of its own. It was Gods will that we recieve him, not crucify him.

The Bible says that it was God's plan from the foundation of the world that Jesus should be slain for the sins of man.

Jesus sweated blood as he asked the Father that there might be another way, hoping to avoid the inevitable. He knew there wasnt and trusted Father to raise him on the 3rd day...which he did.

Being sinless, death had no power to hold him..death lost its grip on the human race through the resurrection and the promise of Eternal life. This complete restoration from the curses of death could not have been met any other way.

That still does not answer the question as to why it was necessary for Jesus to be tortured before he was killed. Like I said, none of the animals that God commanded the Hebrew to sacrifice were ever tortured before they were killed. If it was needful that a sinless man die for the sins of man, why was it necessary for that man to be tortured when it should have been fully within the power of an omnipotent God to do otherwise.

All the best,
Rose

[CWH]

Your comment is ludicrous. Everyone has endorphins but no one has ever been crucified without suffering excruciating pain. The word "excruciating" literally means "from the cross" (crucis) - it is a word that was invented to describe the worst possible pain, the pain that a crucified person would feel. For you to suggest that Christ felt no pain on the cross is perhaps the craziest thing you have ever said. And given the amount of crazy things you have said, that's saying a lot.

Does that looks like a man in excruciating pain, torture and agony when He could speak so well? Where is the passage that says Jesus was crying and groaning ion pain and agony?...Nothing, NONE!

Luke 22:
32 Two other men, both criminals, were also led out with him to be executed. 33 When they came to the place called the Skull, they crucified him there, along with the criminals—one on his right, the other on his left. 34 Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”[c] And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.......

38 There was a written notice above him, which read: this is the king of the jews.
39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”
40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.[d]”
43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

John 19:
25 Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 [B]When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman, here is your son,” 27 and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.

28 Later, knowing that everything had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, “I am thirsty.” 29 A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus’ lips. 30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Why do you make up such ridiculous speculations? Do you know even ONE Christian on this planet who would agree with you on this point? If not, why do you pretend to be a Christian at all?

You and I knows that not all mainstream Christian beliefs are correct; we are in the same boat.

Well all those Canaanites and Midianites that God commanded to be slaughtered certainly didn't "believe in him." So there goes your ludicrous argument that God did them no wrong because he will "raise them up again." Have you forgotten about eternal punishment? Or what, are you now a Universalist? Everyone goes to heaven? No ... that can't be right since you said they have to "believe in him." Your comments make no sense at all, and they are not even remotely Christian. Don't you realize this? Don't you go to church? Why do you pretend to be a Christian if in reality all you have done is made up your own religion?

I have always been a Universalist in the sense that only the incorrigible will be destroyed. Those who are righteous and who repented will be saved. What's wrong with having my own interpretations different from main stream Christians? Am I not supposed to have my own opinions? What about the thousands of Christian sects who have different doctrines?.... Are they wrong by not following mainstream Christianity?

OK- so you do believe in hell. Great! Do all Muslims go to heaven? Do all Hindus? Do you have any idea at all what you really believe?

Almost every religion belief in hell, what's wrong with that? Whether Muslim or Hindus or whatever goes to heaven or not is not for me to judge. But I do know that for God to ultimately convert them to believe in a Christian God is as easy as ABC as after all we can only have one Creator God. This is what I mean by that whatever God one believes ultimately refers to the Creator God.

May God Bless all those who believes in Him.

[Rose]

Does that looks like a man in excruciating pain, torture and agony when He could speak so well? Where is the passage that says Jesus was crying and groaning ion pain and agony?...Nothing, NONE!

If Jesus did not suffer excruciating pain after being flogged to almost the point of death, then having to carry a huge cross on his back that was no more than raw meat, and finally being nailed and hung on a stake, then he was no flesh and blood man like you or me.

Rose