The Scarlet Thread

[duxrow]

3 generations after Noach is Shelach, with "chet" at the end of his name, Genesis 10:24
. וְאַרְפַּכְשַׁד יָלַד אֶת שָׁלַח וְשֶׁלַח יָלַד אֶת עֵבֶר And Arpachshad begot Shelach, and Shelach begot Eber

Roger. Is that spelled same as the 3rd son of Judah?

Hadn't seen this before - now will add Selah/shelah/shelach to my list of names belonging to two persons: Enoch, Lamech,
Jacob, Lazarus, etc. (More, but can't think of 'em off top of my head..)

[sylvius]

Roger. Is that spelled same as the 3rd son of Judah?

Shelah with letter "hey" at the end.
Genesis 38:5,
וַתֹּסֶף עוֹד וַתֵּלֶד בֵּן וַתִּקְרָא אֶת שְׁמוֹ שֵׁלָה

Hadn't seen this before - now will add Selah/shelah/shelach to my list of names belonging to two persons: Enoch, Lamech,
Jacob, Lazarus, etc. (More, but can't think of 'em off top of my head..)

There are two Eliezers.
The one servant of Abraham and the other son of Moses.

[duxrow]

Young's concordance lists eleven Eliezer - the last one from Luke3 genealogy.

By Two (2), I meant ONLY TWO in all 66 books..

An interesting study is to compare the twice-used copy-cat names (used only by two(2) persons named: Enoch, Lamech, Jacob, Lazarus, Adah, Noah, Joanna, John, Saul, Shelah, etc.)

Gen41:32 KJV paraphrase - "By two it's established!"

Noah and Joanna of special interest because of one male, one female!

[sylvius]

Young's concordance lists eleven Eliezer - the last one from Luke3 genealogy.

By Two (2), I meant ONLY TWO in all 66 books..

Gen41:32 KJV paraphrase - "By two it's established!"

Noah and Joanna of special interest because of one male, one female!

You should say where they are to be found, so we can check.

Genesis 41:32,
And concerning the repetition of the dream to Pharaoh twice that is because the matter is ready [to emanate] from God, and God is hastening to execute it.

I don't see what you mean.
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[duxrow]

Gen41:32 "And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass".

Suppose it's the word 'established' that impressed me -- the two dreams (of the cows, and of the corn) were "One", kind of like the 7 yrs. for Rachel and then 7 yrs. for Leah. Also, 7 yrs. of good crops (putting the words of the Bible into the storehouse), followed by 7 yrs. (really more like 2,000) for the Gentiles to feed off that stored crop. (Like money in the bank).

The two Enoch's and two Lamech's got my attention early on, and when Jude failed to mention that he was referring to the SECOND Enoch, it piqued my interest even more.

Have referred to the Bible as a 'picture puzzle', and you, Sylvius, filled in a piece for me with your Eliezer mention -- I matched it with the eleven Josephs in scripture! Maybe there'll be more eleven count, and I won't quit looking, but its my opinion just now that those two (Joseph and Eliezer) will be the only two we'll find.

The 5 daughters of Zelophehad in Nu26 are a contrast to the 5 sons of Judah -- the female Noah, and the Red Thread in Judah are a curious match, like the Joanna in Luke genealogy who is a 'son', but the Joanna in Jesus time was female.

Putting two and two together is what we like to do,
To some the answer's four, and to others twenty-two.

[sylvius]

The two Enoch's and two Lamech's got my attention early on, and when Jude failed to mention that he was referring to the SECOND Enoch, it piqued my interest even more.

There are two generation-lists of Adam, the one via Cain and the other via Shet (Seth).

you might see them as two aspects of mankind, I think.

Human history ending with the flood.

Enoch is also the name of the city Cain built.

In the second generations-list Enoch is the seventh generation, coinciding the seventh day, of which is not written :"and it was evening and it was morning", like with the other days, so that you might consider the seventh day as the ever-enduring now ("Das immerwährende Jetzt").

And the city Cain did build being eternal city.

Hebrew "ïr" = city, from root "ur"= to wake.

Lamech in the Cain-list being the seventh generation of Adam, the one to prophecy:
"" If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, then for Lemech it shall be seventy seven fold."
Rashi:

seventy-seven fold: Heb. שִׁבְעִים וְשִׁבְעָה An expression meaning many sevens is used here.

In the generation-list via Shet Lamech is the 9th and father of Noach, who is presented as ben-Adam =- son of man (since only in the case of Lamech there is written; "And he fathered a son" , "vayoled ben".)

Rashi:

and he begot a son: Heb. בֵּן, from whom the world was built (נִבְנָה). - [from Tanchuma Bereishith 11]

It might that for these reasons that Luke mentions 77 generations from Adam to Jesus and that Daniel mentions seventy year-weeks.

[sylvius]

One fine Rabbiner Hrisch on Genesis 4:17, for if you can read German;

[sylvius]

Genesis 4:17,

וַיְהִי בֹּנֶה עִיר, "vay'hi boneh ir".
Not: "and he builded a city".
But: "and he became a citybuilder"
The city is still builded on, and its name is Enoch. חֲנוֹךְ, "chanoch", the name of the ever enduring now.

cf. Genesis 5:28,
וַיּוֹלֶד בֵּן, "vayoled ben", "and he fathered a son".
Rashi:
שממנו נבנה העולם, "shèmimmenu nivnah ha'olam", "from whom the world was built"


but also:
Genesis 4:24
וַתֵּלֶד בֵּן "and she bore a son"

And Genesis 4:25
גַּם הוּא יֻלַּד בֵּן "gam hu yulad ben", "and also to him was born a son"

Lamech being the only one that "fathered".

Noach being the one to find favor in the eyes of Hashem.

Favor = "chen", gematria 58, like of Noach.

So from "chen" the world was built, "b'chinnom" = without reason.

"chen" root of the name "Y'hochanan" = John (who came baptizing and preaching a baptism for forgiveness of sin)

[sylvius]

Ïn der Stadt werden alle im Menschen schlummernden Kräfte geweckt, der Mensch wird wach; vielleicht heisst darum die Stadt 'ir" von ür", wachwerden, und ist es eine buchstäbliche Wahrheit.

In the city all the in man slumbering powers are waked up, Man becomes awake; maybe for that reason the city is called "ïr", from "ur", to wake up, and is it a literal truth.

[duxrow]

Hey Sylvius, I don't mean to be under false colors, but don't read German, or Greek, or Hebrew. (Though I try sometimes..).
There are others on this forum who do, and may be following along, so maybe will step in. I've gleaned some interesting ideas from what you say.

The generations thru Cain, and then thru Seth, may be another examples of the "old ONE-TWO" like in Cain-Abel, Esau-Jacob, Zarah-Pharez, etc. First Peter, then Paul.