Times of the Gentiles

[CWH]

What I mean is that Gentile is derived from Latin "gentilis" and it usually means non-Christians. In the OT, Gentile could also mean non-Jew as stated in the online dictionary. I admit my mistake when I stated that "it was only found in the NT" in which I actually mean that the word Gentile which is a derivative of Latin was incorporated during translation of the OT from Hebrew. And "Gentile" in the NT usually mean non-Christian rather than non-Jew as taught in church when I was a young Christian. Since Gentile means non-Christian, therefore the times of the Gentiles means the non-Christian era which is the era after Christ.

God Blessed.

[duxrow]

Gal 5:11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
Gal 5:12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you. whoops!

Can't tell by looking at someone whether they've been baptized or circumcized -- aren't we glad it's a 'hidden' condition ? Makes a person wonder if those OT blokes may have flashed their robes from time to time?

The cutting-off of the flesh was a precept -- ready for the real thing?

[sylvius]

What I mean is that Gentile is derived from Latin "gentilis" and it usually means non-Christians. In the OT, Gentile could also mean non-Jew as stated in the online dictionary. I admit my mistake when I stated that "it was only found in the NT" in which I actually mean that the word Gentile which is a derivative of Latin was incorporated during translation of the OT from Hebrew. And "Gentile" in the NT usually mean non-Christian rather than non-Jew as taught in church when I was a young Christian. Since Gentile means non-Christian, therefore the times of the Gentiles means the non-Christian era which is the era after Christ.

God Blessed.

You confuse "Heathen" with "Gentile".

Gentiles are not non-Christians (also not in NT)
but (most) Christians are Gentiles.
Jewish Christians don't exist anymore, although there are "Jews for Christ" and "Messianic Jews".

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Jewish Christians don't exist anymore, although there are "Jews for Christ" and "Messianic Jews".

That doesn't make any sense. Jews who believe in Jesus are "Jewish Christians."

[sylvius]

That doesn't make any sense. Jews who believe in Jesus are "Jewish Christians."

They lose their Jewishness.
They are "shmadded".

"nishmad" (root "shamad")= to be destroyed.
"shimeid" = to apostatise
"nishtammeid" = to become an apostate, be converted, baptised.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

They loose their Jewishness.
They are "shmadded".

No Jew can "lose his Jewishness."

And besides, you just contradicted yourself because you said that first century Jews could be Christians without losing their "Jewishness."

[sylvius]

No Jew can "lose his Jewishness."

And besides, you just contradicted yourself because you said that first century Jews could be Christians without losing their "Jewishness."

First there were only Jewish Christians.

It changed with Paul.

Later there were only Gentile Christians.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

First there were only Jewish Christians.

It changed with Paul.

Later there were only Gentile Christians.

What changed? Why could the first century Jews be Christian, but not modern Jews?

[sylvius]

What changed? Why could the first century Jews be Christian, but not modern Jews?

The breakpoint might be the destruction of the Temple.

The Jewish Messiah having to rebuild the Temple, but not so the Christian (Gentile) Messiah.

[duxrow]

Rebuilding Temple, the attempt, an exercise in futility. Under the New Covenant it's the Believers who ARE the Temple of the Holy Spirit.
Watch this if you can -- a real eye-opener that may not be seen again... !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28