God loves the evil ones more than the good because he is the greatest sinner.

[Greatest I am]

This tells us that the land belongs to God.
David

God gave A & E dominion over the earth. Satan somehow was also given dominion here and used it in the temptation of Jesus in the desert.

God did not own anything if you follow scripture.

If God owned it as you say, then the temptation of Jesus was a lie and so was God giving mandominion. Right?

Regards
DL

[David M]

Hello DL

Quote Originally Posted by David M View Post

Again, I disagree that God created a major defect. Jesus proved it was possible to lead a perfect life and remain sinless. God is vindicated.


If you want to ignore the written testimony of the gospel writers that is up to you,

Just some testimony you ignore. that or you are being selective in your reading.

Mark 10 v 18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone.

Hebrews 5:8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Regards
DL

Thank you for your comment. I am not ignoring the testimony you have quoted. Jesus was perfect in his obedience to God and Jesus never compared himself to God and God is ONE as proclaimed in the OT and by Jesus. The perfect state of Jesus was given to Jesus when he was raised from the dead and given immortality and has an incorruptible body. Jesus is alive for evermore and that is as perfect as you can get.

Jesus is the author of salvation because what Jesus has accomplished through his obedience, he has made possible for you to have (if you want it). Just as God raised Jesus from the dead, God can do the same for you and you can be given the same incorruptible body that Jesus has and you could live for eternity. Now is not that a good prize to be given for if you try to be obedient to God even though we fail?

Quote Originally Posted by David M View Post
This tells us that the land belongs to God.
David

God gave A & E dominion over the earth. Satan somehow was also given dominion here and used it in the temptation of Jesus in the desert.

God did not own anything if you follow scripture.

If God owned it as you say, then the temptation of Jesus was a lie and so was God giving mandominion. Right?

Regards
DL

Dominion is not ownership. We are ruled over by Kings and Queens and Dictators according to the country we live in, but we are not owned by these people. A & E had freedom of choice and freedom to do what pleased them. The Garden in which God placed them and gave them access to all the fruit they could eat of, was not owned by A & E. God made the garden for them so it is right to say that God owned the garden.

Regarding the land reserved for the Hebrews; as with all scripture you must balance the whole book. In my replies I am not going to quote every chapter and verse. I gave one verse in response to the verses quoted by Rose. The verse I quoted clearly states by God; "the land is mine". In this context, you have to read and understand any other verse that might suggest different.
For example, Rose had quoted the verse in which the words "their land" had been used. These words do not mean the people occupying the land owned it. I do not know what type of property you live in and whether you own the property. You can claim ownership of the property and have title deeds (held with a solicitor or bank), but if you have a mortgage on the property, until you pay off the mortgage, the property is not yours. You try defaulting on your mortgage payments and you soon find out the bank/lender has taken the property back. Even if you rent a property, you can call it; "my home", even though you do not own it.

No-one owns the land of Israel. God is in control of the land and and will give it to whom He pleases. In this case, it is reserved as Abraham's inheritance. God does not own the land in the sense that He needs tittle deeds to prove ownership. God can take over any nation's land if He so chooses. With regards the land occupied by the nation of Israel, this is land reserved for God's chosen people and is Abraham's inheritance. It is the land to which Jesus will return and reign from in the period when Jesus sets up God's kingdom ready for handover once sin and death have finally been abolished. I am not quoting chapter and verse to support what I have just said, but these passages can easily be found if you search for them.

If there is anything else you are not sure of and want explaining I will give you the best answer I can, but please be questioning and do not assume I have not studied the verses you quote an present in an argumentative way. We can all learn from one another.

Regards

David

[Greatest I am]

Hello DL


Thank you for your comment. I am not ignoring the testimony you have quoted. Jesus was perfect in his obedience to God and Jesus never compared himself to God and God is ONE as proclaimed in the OT and by Jesus. The perfect state of Jesus was given to Jesus when he was raised from the dead and given immortality and has an incorruptible body. Jesus is alive for evermore and that is as perfect as you can get.

Jesus is the author of salvation because what Jesus has accomplished through his obedience, he has made possible for you to have (if you want it). Just as God raised Jesus from the dead, God can do the same for you and you can be given the same incorruptible body that Jesus has and you could live for eternity. Now is not that a good prize to be given for if you try to be obedient to God even though we fail?




Dominion is not ownership. We are ruled over by Kings and Queens and Dictators according to the country we live in, but we are not owned by these people. A & E had freedom of choice and freedom to do what pleased them. The Garden in which God placed them and gave them access to all the fruit they could eat of, was not owned by A & E. God made the garden for them so it is right to say that God owned the garden.

Regarding the land reserved for the Hebrews; as with all scripture you must balance the whole book. In my replies I am not going to quote every chapter and verse. I gave one verse in response to the verses quoted by Rose. The verse I quoted clearly states by God; "the land is mine". In this context, you have to read and understand any other verse that might suggest different.
For example, Rose had quoted the verse in which the words "their land" had been used. These words do not mean the people occupying the land owned it. I do not know what type of property you live in and whether you own the property. You can claim ownership of the property and have title deeds (held with a solicitor or bank), but if you have a mortgage on the property, until you pay off the mortgage, the property is not yours. You try defaulting on your mortgage payments and you soon find out the bank/lender has taken the property back. Even if you rent a property, you can call it; "my home", even though you do not own it.

No-one owns the land of Israel. God is in control of the land and and will give it to whom He pleases. In this case, it is reserved as Abraham's inheritance. God does not own the land in the sense that He needs tittle deeds to prove ownership. God can take over any nation's land if He so chooses. With regards the land occupied by the nation of Israel, this is land reserved for God's chosen people and is Abraham's inheritance. It is the land to which Jesus will return and reign from in the period when Jesus sets up God's kingdom ready for handover once sin and death have finally been abolished. I am not quoting chapter and verse to support what I have just said, but these passages can easily be found if you search for them.

If there is anything else you are not sure of and want explaining I will give you the best answer I can, but please be questioning and do not assume I have not studied the verses you quote an present in an argumentative way. We can all learn from one another.

Regards

David

Jesus never compared himself to God. Ok.
You do not ignore scriptures. Ok.

Mark 10 v 18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone.

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Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Psalm 49:7

None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

You do not ignore scriptures yet think God accepted Jesus as a ransom that he himself set. That is quite sick.

How was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?

Regards
DL

[David M]

Hello DL

Jesus never compared himself to God. Ok.
You do not ignore scriptures. Ok.

Mark 10 v 18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone.

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I meant to say "equal" instead of "compare". Jesus never said he was equal with God and I agree with the verse you have quoted.

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Psalm 49:7

None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

You do not ignore scriptures yet think God accepted Jesus as a ransom that he himself set. That is quite sick.

How was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?

I ask you to think about principles that have been laid down by God. We are told (at the fall of Adam and Eve) God provided them with coverings; (Gen 3:21) Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
Considering Adam and Eve had already made for themselves, clothes from leaves to cover their "shame", why did God supply them with animal skins? What is the significance of this? To understand scripture you must ask these questions and know what these verses mean and the learn the lessons taught.

The coverings given to A & E and the covering of sins by animal sacrifices is explained in the letter to the Hebrews (9:22) And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
There is no remission of sins without the shedding of blood. Animal sacrifices were necessary under the law God gave to His chosen people, but the laws were never meant to be permanent and the law was sufficient until the advent of God's son. Ask yourself why the Son of God (Jesus) willingly let himself be a sacrifice to take away sin and thus take away the need for animal sacrifices. You say it was "sick" of God, but why did not Jesus think the same? Why was Jesus willing to do God's will? Please answer these questions rather than make statements you are unable to justify from scripture. If it was "sick" of God. why did not Jesus object?

The following verses from Hebrews 10 explains the sacrifice of Jesus.
10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

I have no "ticket to heaven". The sacrifice of Jesus gives no one an automatic ticket to heaven. Your statement is devoid of rational thought.

God was prepared to accept the sacrifice of His own Son's life in place of animal sacrifices thus making it possible for everyone to be redeemed by the blood of Jesus, but that alone is not sufficient to save us. It is necessary to belief in God and that God raised Jesus from the dead. Is it "sick" of God to offer you eternal life? Why do you want to reject God's offer? God is not asking much of you in return so why be so negative towards God?

I hope you will answer these questions. You can quote parts of the Bible so you should be able to look up these things for yourself and see what God has done and what God's plan for this earth is. Why would you want to reject the chance to be in God's glorious kingdom to come?

Consider the words of the prophet Samuel to king Saul:
(1 Sam 15:22) And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. (23) For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee


Consider what God said to His chosen people and apply the lessons to yourself. Unless we change our nature and follow after the example of the Lord Jesus we could easily be like the people God pronounced judgment on.
Isaiah 1
11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

And finally to balance the nature of God, consider what is recorded by Jeremiah;(9:24) But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.

In the same way God demonstrates "lovingkindness", "judgment" and "righteousness" are you by your consideration of God's word and what you say about God, doing the same things?



David

[Greatest I am]

David


Note the word of God.
Though shalt not kill.
To sacrifice a living entity is to kill it.

A & E, so dogma goes, brought death to this world.
Note that in Eden, A & E did not kill to clothe themselves but God did.
Note that God also murdered A & E by omission by denying them what they needed to live.
That is equivalent today to J W’s not giving a transfusion to their children and letting them die. We have good laws against such actions yet you think God would do it.

Note in this clip all the times God says that he prefers repentance over sacrifice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9U

You recanted above and have earned some respect so I know you can think.
Do so for sacrifice.

As above so below.
To forgive your child some sin against you, would you demand that he kill something before you forgive him or would his repenting be what you actually want before you forgive him?

Regards
DL

[CWH]

[QUOTE]

David

Note the word of God.
Though shalt not kill.
To sacrifice a living entity is to kill it.

Human shall not kill provided the government says can kill the enemy in wars.
Human shall not kill unless ordered by God because human cannot resurrect the dead.
God can kill because God can resurrect the dead; to kill and resurrect the dead is no murder.

To save an evil entity such as Hitler is to prolong murder and his murderous plans of killing millions.
To sacrifice an evil entity is to kill it and save milions from certain death.

A & E, so dogma goes, brought death to this world.
Note that in Eden, A & E did not kill to clothe themselves but God did.

A&E brought death to the world because they wanted to be wise like God knowing good and evil. To know good and evil means to know life and death. To do good is life but to do evil is death. Simple stuff. To allow evil doers to live forever is to allow evil and death and suffering to last forever. If A & E repented and become righteous, do good, obedient and loyal to God, God will pardon them and will allow them to continue to live forever even though they have died same with humans. Jesus said that whoever believes in Him and did the will of God will live forever evn though he have died. DO YOU WANT TO LIVE FOREVER? I DO.

Note that God also murdered A & E by omission by denying them what they needed to live.

Would A & E have lived forever if God did not sustained them? Would you have live if not for God who allowed your ancestors to survive through the centuries? God tested them and granted ther wish to be wise like God knowing good and evil. And if they obey God, be righteous and do good they will receive eternal life.

That is equivalent today to J W’s not giving a transfusion to their children and letting them die. We have good laws against such actions yet you think God would do it.

We are not suppose to tempt God and if you do, and something disastrous happens who is to blame? It is like taking a risk, run across the highway, and say guarantee nothing will happen to you. Only fools will do that.

Note in this clip all the times God says that he prefers repentance over sacrifice.

Incorrect, God says He prefers repentance over animal sacrifice. What is important is not the sarifice but the intent and sincerity in men's heart. Sacrifice must have a meaning if not it is in vain. Would you sacrifice your life to save or protect your wife and children from harm from a mad killer?

You recanted above and have earned some respect so I know you can think.
Do so for sacrifice.

Would you sacrifice your life to save millions and millions of people? or to save your country? Jesus sacrifice His life earthly life willingly in order to achieve heavenly life etenally so as to save millions and millions of people...would you do the same?

As above so below.
To forgive your child some sin against you, would you demand that he kill something before you forgive him or would his repenting be what you actually want before you forgive him?

What God wants is faith,sincerity and repentance not sacrifice. Remember also that repentance and forgiveness comes with some punishments. Show me a passage in the Bible which says repentance and forgivenessdoes not come with a punishment? Moses, David, Solomon, Job, Jonah were punished even though they have repented and were forgiven.

God Blessed those who repents

[Greatest I am]

CWH

“God can kill because God can resurrect the dead;”

All you have is the words of men to maintain this delusion.

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“A&E brought death to the world because they wanted to be wise like God knowing good and evil.”

Do you want your children to meet or exceed whatever you are?
What makes you think that God wants less for his children?

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“DO YOU WANT TO LIVE FOREVER? I DO.”

Have you ever wondered why nowhere in scriptures the loss of eternal life is never bemoaned and why elsewhere in the scriptures when that term is used it only means a good life?

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“Would A & E have lived forever if God did not sustained them?”

We will never know since he made sure they died through his act of negligence and murder.

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“We are not suppose to tempt God”

Who can tempt an absentee God?
He would have to be here to be tempted.

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“Sacrifice must have a meaning if not it is in vain.”

Exactly and for God to sacrifice himself to himself is to not lose or give up anything.

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“Would you sacrifice your life to save millions and millions of people?”

Sure I would but unlike your God, I would not condemn them in the first place and make myself into a self-aggrandizing hero to save them.
That is a pathetic show of self-gratification and only fools will respect such a hero.

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“Jesus sacrifice His life earthly life willingly in order to achieve heavenly life etenally so as to save millions and millions of people...would you do the same?”

See above and wonder why he condemned us in the first place.

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“What God wants is faith,sincerity and repentance not sacrifice.”

Correct and yet you place all your hopes on a sacrifice.

Satan will love to see you coming my friend as he sees you ignoring your own words.

Regards
DL

[CWH]

E=Greatest I am;48133]CWH

“God can kill because God can resurrect the dead;”

All you have is the words of men to maintain this delusion

I have no dounbt at all that one day humans will be like God capable of raising the dead, do you? If someone killed you and the doctor applied an electric shock and raise you up, what murder is that? It's like someone knock you off and you woke up a few minutes later.
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Godbrought death to the world because they wanted to be wise like God knowing good and evil

Do you want your children to meet or exceed whatever you are?
What makes you think that God wants less for his children?[/QUOTE]
If your child wants to be the President of the United States, will you stop him? No but knowing well that it means a lot of work, determination, struggles and sacrifice. Thus will God stop A & E if they wanted to be like God? No, knowing well that it will be a difficult task. Death is not something negative m friend, wthout death, the whole world will be overpopulated by humans, plants and animals with hardly anywhere to move... that will be an umimaginable scenario.
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“DO YOU WANT TO LIVE FOREVER? I DO.”

Have you ever wondered why nowhere in scriptures the loss of eternal life is never bemoaned and why elsewhere in the scriptures when that term is used it only means a good life?

Is there anywhere in the Bible that says A & E and the animals and plants live forever in the Garden of Eden? I wnder how God controlled overpopulation in the Garden of Eden?...sterilization?
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Would A & E have lived forever if God did not sustained them?”

We will never know since he made sure they died through his act of negligence and murder.

There is no mention of eternal life in the garden of Eden, they will eventually die anyway. Eternal life need not necessary be continuous, if one died, then resurrected, died, resurrected continuously for several thousands of years each is stil considered as having eternal life because they never actually died as they will soon be resurrected. Preterists believe the death mentioned in the story of A & E means spiritual death which to me is plausible.
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“We are not suppose to tempt God”

Who can tempt an absentee God?
He would have to be here to be tempted.

Looks like you can see God is it? How does God looks like? There are many ways God and Satan can tempt us without us even realizing it.
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“Sacrifice must have a meaning if not it is in vain.”

Exactly and for God to sacrifice himself to himself is to not lose or give up anything.

I never believe in a Trinity God. God sacrifice Jesus earthly life with the effect of receive eternal life and the crown to save millions and millions of sinners is an heroic thing. I am sure you will also do itsince you said that you don't mind sacrificing yourself to save millions of people.--------------------------

“Would you sacrifice your life to save millions and millions of people?”

Sure I would but unlike your God, I would not condemn them in the first place and make myself into a self-aggrandizing hero to save them.
That is a pathetic show of self-gratification and only fools will respect such a hero.

So you don't mind sacrificing yor life for people like Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Osama, Saddam and prolong people's suffering and death?

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“Jesus sacrifice His life earthly life willingly in order to achieve heavenly life etenally so as to save millions and millions of people...would you do the same?”

See above and wonder why he condemned us in the first place.

Rest assured, the good and righteous will not be condemned. Try to be good and righteous and you wll not be condemned, is it so difficult? Also olte that those who are condemned will also be saved if they repented. But note that repentance and forgiveness always comes with a punishment first. Same as our national law, no criminal will go cotch-free. That is the mercy of God, He can condemned and He can save if one truly repents.
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“What God wants is faith,sincerity and repentance not sacrifice.”

Correct and yet you place all your hopes on a sacrifice.

Satan will love to see you coming my friend as he sees you ignoring your own words.

Unfortunately, Satan will also love to see you coming my friend, because you condemn others and God so much.

DL needs our prayers.

God Bless.

[David M]

Hello DL

David


Note the word of God.
Though shalt not kill.
To sacrifice a living entity is to kill it.

I hope you are learning something from my replies as long as you learn, I shall reply. "Thou shalt not kill" is a specific commandment aimed at humans not killing humans. God does not state that a human cannot kill and animal. The sacrifice of an animal was to teach the person sacrificing the animal that it should be themselves who is worthy of death and not the animal and the animal is taking their place; this is what sacrifice means.
Jesus was prepared to offer himself to replace the need to kill animals and to take the place for us who are worthy of death because of our own personal sin. Are you a sinner DL? How would you like God to forgive you? How do you expect to be saved from eternal death for the sins you have committed? Please start answering my questions, I gave you many questions in my last reply to you which you fail to answer. Just as I am answering your questions, you should do me the courtesy and answer mine. I want you to think seriously about these things, not just present me with questions to challenge my position.

Do you object to killing of animals to feed us? I take it you are a vegetarian and do not condone the killing of animals. The animals sacrificed in the time of the Hebrews did not go to waste and much of the meat went to provide the priests with their daily food. An animal would have been killed to provide meat for food, therefore the animal served two purposes. The sacrifice of the animal was not a senseless killing in two respects.

Also note the other lesson to be learned when offering a sacrifice. The animal was to be without blemish. In other words the animal was to be perfect. For example, it was not acceptable to offer an animal with a broken leg which would have no worth/value. The lesson also has to be learned that only the best is good enough for God. That goes for our service to God. I am sure we all fall short in this respect, but nevertheless, we must keep this in mind that we should give of our best in service to God.

A & E, so dogma goes, brought death to this world.

Sin entered the world by Adam and sin brought the penalty of death but through Jesus we life eternal and that is the gift of God by grace. We do not deserve it, but God is offering life eternal to us, do you not want eternal life here on earth in paradise conditions?
It was inevitable that if not Adam, one of his descendants would have sinned and we would be in the same situation. It was inevitable that Adam and Eve would probably sin at sometime.You sin because you know what the law is, yet you disobey the law. Just as you disobey a law of the land, so you disobey God's law. Sinning against God is inevitable for the majority and Jesus is the only person to have lived who devoted the whole of his life to do the will of God and as a result led a sinless life. We must thank Jesus for doing this, for not only has God been vindicated, but Jesus has made it possible to reverse the law that says; "the soul that sinneth shall die (for ever)".
Note: In the simple story we have been given, Adam was barred access to the tree of life, otherwise as God says; Adam would live for ever. This gives us a simple explanation as to why Adam did not live for ever. Sin actually caused God to prevent Adam living for ever in the condition he was and that even though the early men and women lived to a great age, death was inevitable. Even Jesus who was sinless died. The only way for humans not to die is to be given in the incorruptible nature that Jesus has now and which we shall be given after resurrection. Jesus has divine nature now that he did not have when he was flesh and blood.

[QUOTE=Greatest I am;48129]Note that in Eden, A & E did not kill to clothe themselves but God did.['QUOTE]
I asked you the question in my last post to you as to why God did this? Please answer. Yes, God killed the animals. Up to this time (we are talking about a short time) Adam and Eve did not need to kill animals for food. Incidentally, what is your definition of killing? Is chopping down a tree and uprooting the tree, killing the tree?

Note that God also murdered A & E by omission by denying them what they needed to live.
That is equivalent today to J W’s not giving a transfusion to their children and letting them die. We have good laws against such actions yet you think God would do it.

I do not want to be sidetracked by considering the rights and wrongs of JW's beliefs at this stage.
God did not murder Adam and Eve by omission. God gave a clear instruction and warned of the consequences; "in the day thou eatest, thou shalt surely die". God did deny them after their sin access to the tree of life because God could not let them live for ever in their sinful condition. This is the condition of human flesh which makes me think that God planned it this way, knowing that although it was possible for a person to live a perfect life (as Jesus proved), everyone else does not commit to living their lives in accordance with God's will. God made provision for this, which is why you and I can have the hope of surviving the human condition, but that is only possible by having faith in God and His only begotten Son Jesus, by which our faith will be counted to us as righteousness. God has given us a way out and the prospect of eternal life, and we should be thankful to God for this; not biting the hand that feeds us.

Note in this clip all the times God says that he prefers repentance over sacrifice.

Yes, God prefers we lead a sinless life and when we have sinned we repent and try not sin again. Once again, being realistic, we sin over and over again and we need God's forgiveness continually. The purpose of baptism was to demonstrate a person's repentance and to change from their old sinful way of live to a new way of life in Christ, where the person aims to follow the way of life taught by example of the Lord Jesus. Despite my best efforts to do that, I fail and so I am in need of God's forgiveness. It is the assurance that I have for being associated with Jesus through the waters of baptism that I have the confidence that Jesus is my covering for sin, just as God clothed Adam and Eve and thus provided them with a symbolic covering of their sin (now I have answered the question for you).

Remember; the law of Moses was given to the Hebrews. As God's chosen people, God gave them His laws to follow. Now that Jesus has come, they and we no longer live by that law. We live essentially by the two great commandments stated by Jesus. Do you try to live your life obeying the the two great commandments? This is all we are required to do and these commandments (laws) should be written in our hearts. They are easily remembered in our minds.
Also remember, as it is stated (Romans 4:15) for where no law is, there is no transgression. What laws are you under? Are you in ignorance of the law? Only where you have no knowledge of the law cannot you not be held to account of the law. Ignorance might be bliss in this case, but ignorance is not a passport to the kingdom. What you do not know about, you do not miss.

You recanted above and have earned some respect so I know you can think.
Do so for sacrifice.

I do not know what you refer to when you say I "recanted". I have explained what I know about sacrifices and I have nothing to recant. I would like you to have a better understanding of what sacrifice means. As far as I am concerned, Jesus did not die in vain. If you reject God and Jesus, then for you, Jesus has died in vain.

As above so below.

That is why Jesus prayed; "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is done in Heaven", which is what we should pray for and we can do our small part by doing God's will in our lives. I hope you are trying to do the same. Incidentally, as you bring up the point, this is my reason for saying God's Angels in Heaven do not sin and there is no such thing as a fallen Angel of God.

To forgive your child some sin against you, would you demand that he kill something before you forgive him or would his repenting be what you actually want before you forgive him?

The person sacrificed the animal knowing that their actions would be acceptable and pleasing to God. There is no enjoyment for the person sacrificing the animal or God for seeing the animal killed. What is more pleasing to God is for the person not to have to offer a sacrifice in the first place. As it written; (1 Sam 15:22) Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
Repentance is a necessary requirement to go with sacrifice. There is no point offering a sacrifice unless their is repentance to go with it. Here is a final scripture from the mouth of Jesus for you to think about.

Mark 7
6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.

DL I look forward to receiving your answers to my questions and to see what understanding you have of these things.

All the best,

David

[Greatest I am]

Thanks for the dogma gentlemen.

Enjoy trying to ride your human sacrifice and scapegoat into heaven.

God will like your moral position. Not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzuxy...layer_embedded

I do have a scriptural question though.
Scriptures show that Jesus went to hell for three days then resurrected. It also says that Jesus went to heaven that same day.
Which is correct and does it matter?

Regards
DL