God loves the evil ones more than the good because he is the greatest sinner.

[duxrow]

Sigh.
More fantasy, miracles and magic.
A hell of a thing to rely on to form a theology.
There goes another potentially good mind. Regards DL

Wasting your breath--not with the God-breathed Word either...but why is it for OUR GOOD??

How you gonna be "an overcomer", if there's nothing or nobody to overcome?

How you gonna be a winner or successor if there aren't others in the race or competition?

Without friction, nothing gets done -- you'll just be 'spinning your wheels', so to speak.

Yes, it's for OUR BENEFIT that Satan was introduced, but for a relatively short time it seems,
and then there'll be a Rewards Banquet !! Hope to see you there. (fat chance, methinks)

[Greatest I am]

[QUOTE=CWH;47840]

If 3 days of R&R are not a sacrifice, what are they?


What poor morals? Who actually murdered Jesus?...They are people like YOU who are anti-Christ. The Jews demanded Christ be killed for blasphemy and the Romans nailed Him to the cross and killed him with a spear. The Jews were God's people and they killed God's only begotten Son. If your own people killed your only son, what will you do as a father?

God Blessed.

I would have shown my love and duty to my child and stepped up to fill the ransom that I was imposing myself.
The right thing IOW as compared to what your God did and what you will try to profit from.

How was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Wasting your breath--not with the God-breathed Word either...but why is it for OUR GOOD??

How you gonna be "an overcomer", if there's nothing or nobody to overcome?

How you gonna be a winner or successor if there aren't others in the race or competition?

Without friction, nothing gets done -- you'll just be 'spinning your wheels', so to speak.

Yes, it's for OUR BENEFIT that Satan was introduced, but for a relatively short time it seems,
and then there'll be a Rewards Banquet !! Hope to see you there. (fat chance, methinks)

So it was all to just make himself grander than the original. Self-serving to the max.

You are right that I will not be with those who will try to profit from a genocidal God having his own son murdered.

Regards
DL

[CWH]

[QUOTE=Greatest I am;47842]

I would have shown my love and duty to my child and stepped up to fill the ransom that I was imposing myself.
The right thing IOW as compared to what your God did and what you will try to profit from.

How was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?

Regards
DL

Since you believe in reality and the spiritual, what happens if your murdered son's spirit demanded a revenge, what will you do as a father?

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

My ticket to heaven is not by innocent blood but by doing God's will by loving God with all my heart soul and might and to love my neighbor as myself. You can have that ticket also. Why strive for temporary life on earth when you can strive for life eternal?


God Blessed those who did His will.

[duxrow]

So it was all to just make himself grander than the original. Self-serving to the max. You are right that I will not be with those who will try to profit from a genocidal God having his own son murdered. Regards DL

Lord, Let the Words of his mouth not agree with an unscrupulous heart. amen.

Tough Love?
Ecc9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.

Psalm19:5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.

1Cor9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

Heb12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

[Twospirits]

In that case, check who has the best moral position and beware to sinners like you who will try to profit from God's murder of his own son.

Regards
DL

Scripture tells us that God did not murder his Son as you falsely claim, but that Jesus gave it up freely.

John 6:38-39, "For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And THIS is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."

John 10:17-18, "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life (freely), that I might take it up again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it up again. This commandment have I received of my Father." (The work and power he gave his Son to do on earth.).

John 17:2-5, "As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the ONLY TRUE GOD, and JESUS CHRIST, whom thou hast sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

Twospirits

[Rose]

Scripture tells us that God did not murder his Son as you falsely claim, but that Jesus gave it up freely.

John 6:38-39, "For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And THIS is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."

John 10:17-18, "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life (freely), that I might take it up again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it up again. This commandment have I received of my Father." (The work and power he gave his Son to do on earth.).

John 17:2-5, "As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the ONLY TRUE GOD, and JESUS CHRIST, whom thou hast sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

Twospirits

If you will notice in the verses you quoted, Jesus says that he has come to do the "will of God", because this was the reason he was sent. Even though Jesus willingly gave up his life, it was God who commanded his execution and carried it out. Just because Jesus was supposedly resurrected, does not mean he was not murdered in the first place.

John 6:38-39, "For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And THIS is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."

John 10:17-18, "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life (freely), that I might take it up again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it up again. This commandment have I received of my Father."

John 17:2-5, "As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the ONLY TRUE GOD, and JESUS CHRIST, whom thou hast sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

Rose

[Greatest I am]

[QUOTE=CWH;47844]

Since you believe in reality and the spiritual, what happens if your murdered son's spirit demanded a revenge, what will you do as a father?

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

My ticket to heaven is not by innocent blood but by doing God's will by loving God with all my heart soul and might and to love my neighbor as myself. You can have that ticket also. Why strive for temporary life on earth when you can strive for life eternal?


God Blessed those who did His will.

So to insure your imortality you will do any immoral act then and call it love.

OK.

Jesus was your neighbor and you will try to profit from his God ordained murder.
Nice morals to try to put in heaven where you will pleasantly watch all those you love, family and friends burning in endless purposeless torture.

Nice life if you were never human or good.

Your heart is to revenge only as shown with your thinking a victim would demand death to those who God set up to kill him.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Scripture tells us that God did not murder his Son as you falsely claim, but that Jesus gave it up freely.

Twospirits

Regardless of how it came about, it was still planned by God before man was even created.

Voluntary suicide or murder, it was still demanded by your pathetic God.

Thomas Paine, in Age of Reason, wrote:
If I owe a person money, and cannot pay him, and he threatens to put me in prison, another person can take the debt upon himself, and pay it for me. But if I have committed a crime, every circumstance of the case is changed. Moral justice cannot take the innocent for the guilty even if the innocent would offer itself. To suppose justice to do this, is to destroy the principle of its existence, which is the thing itself. It is then no longer justice. It is indiscriminate revenge.

This single reflection will show that the doctrine of redemption is founded on a mere pecuniary idea corresponding to that of a debt which another person might pay; and as this pecuniary idea corresponds again with the system of second redemptions, obtained through the means of money given to the church for pardons, the probability is that the same persons fabricated both the one and the other of those theories; and that, in truth, there is no such thing as redemption; that it is fabulous; and that man stands in the same relative condition with his Maker he ever did stand, since man existed; and that it is his greatest consolation to think so.
Emphasis mine.

So not only is the killing of an innocent man immoral, but it shows that the redemption allegory being used is that of a financial debt. Which is an interesting parallel to the practice of purchasing 'pardons'.



[It is] not good that the man should be alone ; I will make him an help meet for him. (Gen. 2:18) KJV Story book

Free will to me is the ability to make a choice without coercion.
A choice made while under coercion, (especially under threat of pain and suffering), is not a freely made choice, ergo it is not free will. In fact there is a name for it; it's called extortion and it is a criminal offense precisely for the reason that it is not a free choice but a forced one.

"Extortion (also called shakedown, outwresting, and exaction) is a criminal offence which occurs when a person unlawfully obtains either money, property or services from a person(s), entity, or institution, through coercion. Refraining from doing harm is sometimes euphemistically called protection. Extortion is commonly practiced by organized crime groups. The actual obtainment of money or property is not required to commit the offense. Making a threat of violence which refers to a requirement of a payment of money or property to halt future violence is sufficient to commit the offense." Wikipedia

"Test all things"
1 Thessalonians. 5:21

No noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a so called son just to prove it's benevolence.

Do not test the immorality of your position. Be Satan's tool and accept his free ride to hell.

Regards
DL

[Twospirits]

Rose wrote,

If you will notice in the verses you quoted, Jesus says that he has come to do the "will of God", because this was the reason he was sent. Even though Jesus willingly gave up his life, it was God who commanded his execution and carried it out. Just because Jesus was supposedly resurrected, does not mean he was not murdered in the first place.

Rose, show me in scripture where it says "it was God who commanded his execution and carried it out." I see where it says "God so LOVED the world (mankind), that he GAVE (gave over) his only begotten Son, (the reason being so) that whosoever believeth in him should NOT PERISH, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16). Those who believe the scriptures tell us that God/Christ foreknew that he would be hated and murdered by the Romans through the instigation of the religious Jewish leaders of his day; and Jesus foreknowing agreed with his Father (Jesus said "I and the Father are one; one mind, one heart") to fulfill that destiny in order to save mankind and have everlasting life; now that is LOVE not murder!! This is how GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD---

Greatest I am wrote,

Regardless of how it came about, it was still planned by God before man was even created.

See above--


God bless---Twospirits