"Jesus' Birthday" Graphically Encoded in the Genesis

[AGS]

Hello. My name is Andreas G. Szabó. I am new to this forum and am a bible researcher and author who would like to discuss his research here. I prepared an article about my research on my site that contains some pictures and that I linked from here after a short cite. It is my copyrighted material, so I do yet not want to leave everything of that here without my control.

The Discovery

In Hebrew all letters are also a number, so that one can obtain the value of a word by adding these numbers.

Originally I wanted to analyze the distributions of such values in the Genesis and found therefore a computer based graphical method to display them. That method should provide round eye shaped views through using a polar coordinate system and so I named the method "Hitomi" which is Japanese for the pupil of the eye.

The Hitomi-method worked, because I quickly realized that by this method certain numbers form real pictures: Planetary positions and cycles, star constellations, astronomical and geometric connections, and mystical symbols. They represent the Sephiroth of the kabbalistic Tree of Life.

"Jesus' Birthday"

Among these things i found the depiction of a heliocentric system, in which the heavenly bodies Jupiter, Saturn and Sun are positioned like they were at the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction on September 30. in the year 7 BC. In addition there is also a picture of the Big Dipper as it stood on that day at 20:30 o'clock over Bethlehem ...

continue reading at www.torakosmos.de

I am here to answer questions and would be glad if this is a good topic to discuss here.

all the best,
Andreas

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Hello. My name is Andreas G. Szabó. I am new to this forum and am a bible researcher and author who would like to discuss his research here. I prepared an article about my research on my site that contains some pictures and that I linked from here after a short cite. It is my copyrighted material, so I do yet not want to leave everything of that here without my control.

The Discovery

In Hebrew all letters are also a number, so that one can obtain the value of a word by adding these numbers.

Originally I wanted to analyze the distributions of such values in the Genesis and found therefore a computer based graphical method to display them. That method should provide round eye shaped views through using a polar coordinate system and so I named the method "Hitomi" which is Japanese for the pupil of the eye.

The Hitomi-method worked, because I quickly realized that by this method certain numbers form real pictures: Planetary positions and cycles, star constellations, astronomical and geometric connections, and mystical symbols. They represent the Sephiroth of the kabbalistic Tree of Life.

"Jesus' Birthday"

Among these things i found the depiction of a heliocentric system, in which the heavenly bodies Jupiter, Saturn and Sun are positioned like they were at the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction on September 30. in the year 7 BC. In addition there is also a picture of the Big Dipper as it stood on that day at 20:30 o'clock over Bethlehem ...

continue reading at www.torakosmos.de

I am here to answer questions and would be glad if this is a good topic to discuss here.

all the best,
Andreas

Hey there Andreas,

Welcome to our forum!



I'm sorry I missed your post! A lot has been going on here lately.

There are a lot of folks on this forum that would probably find your research to be very interesting. Please feel free to continue to explain your findings. It would be interesting to know how you "found the depiction of a heliocentric system."

As for the date of the birth of Jesus - that is highly speculative. Almost everyone comes up with a different date. One member of our forum, Luke1978, recently posted a video about the Star of Bethlehem that he felt proved that Jesus was born in 2 BC and crucified in 33 AD. Here is what he wrote:

I should add this as it throws out any dispute of the 70 week prophecy starting at any other time but 444BC. This also proves Jesus was crucified in 33AD without a shadow of a doubt. Watch from 39 minutes onwards for a few minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGeSRyzN49Q

It validates the math used in the Israel(1948) and Jesus prophecy. There is also proof Venus went into retrogade(Full stop when viewing) on December 25th 2BC. This fixes the life of Jesus at 33.5 years if we take his birth in September(Jewish New Year). The sign on December 25th is amazing because it seems more of a sign to us then the people back then. I know Christmas is some sort of Pagan date but the sign on December 25th seems to indicate God knew how we would celebrate the birth of Christ on that date. Thankyou to NASA!

I look forward to your contributions.

Richard

[AGS]

ok. perhaps I do not want to reveal all here, but much, as it is asked. We will see where this leads to. In the past I posted to other forums also and the reception was not very good at most places. so, let's start:

"Jesus Birthday" was not meant literally. I only claim that the conjunction from Sept. 30 - which really happened - is coded into the Genesis (besides other figures, that together form the Sephiroth of the Kabbalistic Tree of Life).

It's a long story how I discovered that. Here is the prelude, partially cited from my book. I hope it is understandable. If not, I will explain.

Prior to the discovery of the Hitomi-method I wanted to examine the distribution of particular word values in the Torah and maybe visualize it somehow. In a first experiment I spontaneously measured the distribution of the word value 666 in the Genesis. I noticed that it occurred ten times in it, while there was thrice a similar verse distance between those occurrences in the third third of the Genesis text.

At this time I was not aware that 666 is also the value of a Hebrew word for "wheels", namely Galgalim גלגלם. But I imagined that an equilateral triangle would show up when I arranged all verses of the Genesis into three concentric wheels as described here.

I thought this because in doing so the words with the value 666 in the outer wheel that have thrice the same amount of verses between them, would fall on places with thrice the same angle degrees in between. And to visualize this, I planned to mark all words that have the key value 666 with a dot. I wrote the Hitomi-program and saw that I was right: An equilateral triangle.

The other words that have the value 666 resulted in dots on a straight line across the triangle. And one dot, being a word with a special end-letter at it's end, for which however its alternate value was not used, got another color.

Since there were no additional or randomly scattered dots in the triangle, but only that straight line, I saw my assumption to have found something special confirmed and thus tried other numbers.

Was this clear?
Andreas

[Richard Amiel McGough]

ok. perhaps I do not want to reveal all here, but much, as it is asked. We will see where this leads to. In the past I posted to other forums also and the reception was not very good at most places.

Hey there Andreas,

Believe me, I know research like ours (which has some interesting points of similarity) is anything but "well received" on internet forums! I struggled for years to find rational discourse on Christian forums and the only thing I can say is that they were all uniformly abysmal in their ability to discuss new ideas and quite rude about it (to say the least).

so, let's start:

"Jesus Birthday" was not meant literally. I only claim that the conjunction from Sept. 30 - which really happened - is coded into the Genesis (besides other figures, that together form the Sephiroth of the Kabbalistic Tree of Life).

It's a long story how I discovered that. Here is the prelude, partially cited from my book. I hope it is understandable. If not, I will explain.

Prior to the discovery of the Hitomi-method I wanted to examine the distribution of particular word values in the Torah and maybe visualize it somehow. In a first experiment I spontaneously measured the distribution of the word value 666 in the Genesis. I noticed that it occurred ten times in it, while there was thrice a similar verse distance between those occurrences in the third third of the Genesis text.

At this time I was not aware that 666 is also the value of a Hebrew word for "wheels", namely Galgalim גלגלם. But I imagined that an equilateral triangle would show up when I arranged all verses of the Genesis into three concentric wheels as described here.

I thought this because in doing so the words with the value 666 in the outer wheel that have thrice the same amount of verses between them, would fall on places with thrice the same angle degrees in between. And to visualize this, I planned to mark all words that have the key value 666 with a dot. I wrote the Hitomi-program and saw that I was right: An equilateral triangle.

The other words that have the value 666 resulted in dots on a straight line across the triangle. And one dot, being a word with a special end-letter at it's end, for which however its alternate value was not used, got another color.

Since there were no additional or randomly scattered dots in the triangle, but only that straight line, I saw my assumption to have found something special confirmed and thus tried other numbers.

Was this clear?
Andreas

Yes, that was very clear, though there are a lot of details left out. For example, I don't recall how you chose the number of verses per circle. Could you explain that?

Also, how did you calculate the values? Did you use the words as written or their root forms? Did you include prefixes and suffixes? Did you check both the standard and the sofit values for the final letters?

I can see why you would be impressed with the initial pattern with the triangle and the straight line. Do you interpret this as having meaning? If so, what does it mean?

Great chatting!

Richard

[AGS]

The number of verses per circle is one third of the Genesis. Does this answer your question?

I use the words as they are, while reading connected words (with the "-") as one word.

The Triangle shows the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction cycle as also displayed by Kepler as you can find it there: http://kepler-institut.at/JupiterSaturn.htm

It slowly rotates and then the form with or without the line through the middle is the sign of the four elements.

[AGS]

Did you check both the standard and the sofit values for the final letters?

This is described there: http://www.torakosmos.de/knowledge.php#dotcolors ... was that also clear?

[Richard Amiel McGough]

The number of verses per circle is one third of the Genesis. Does this answer your question?

I use the words as they are, while reading connected words (with the "-") as one word.

Yes, that makes perfect sense. Thanks.

The Triangle shows the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction cycle as also displayed by Kepler as you can find it there: http://kepler-institut.at/JupiterSaturn.htm

It slowly rotates and then the form with or without the line through the middle is the sign of the four elements.

I will need a little more explanation here. This is from your home page:

Apparently the picture formed from the key number 231 (see tree-of-life-like eight “eyes” chart above) seemed like a compass to me. But with a compass one can make circles, and so I did: Starting from the angular point of the pretended compass I drew circles through the other dots in that picture and also one through its center. I immediately realized that these circles (red) should be planetary orbits, and the angular point of the compass should be the Sun. Well, the orbits do not relate to each other like in reality, but they do relate in the measure of the golden ratio. This is remarkable though.

Why did you choose the point marked "Sun" as the center? Could you not have chosen any other point as the center (e.g. "Jupiter") and taken that as the "Sun"?

Do you have an automated way to compare your charts with astronomical data? How accurate are the positions in the chart when compared with the positions in 7 BC? How many other times were similar patterns seen in the sky?

You also wrote:

I grabbed some astronomical data and found out that this depicted conjunction was the one on September 30. in the year 7 BC. And this picture clearly shows knowledge or at least the theory of the heliocentric solar system, that must have been familiar to the creators of the Hitomi-pictures.

Further explanation would be helpful. At first glance, it looks like it would be impossible to come to such a conclusion from the spatter of a few dots. There are too many possibilities to compare. And how do you discern between chance and design?

Thanks!

[AGS]

Why did you choose the point marked "Sun" as the center? Could you not have chosen any other point as the center (e.g. "Jupiter") and taken that as the "Sun"?

The Sun-point was the angular point of the compass. The rest was intuition. Is this enough?

Do you have an automated way to compare your charts with astronomical data? How accurate are the positions in the chart when compared with the positions in 7 BC? How many other times were similar patterns seen in the sky?

I simply knew that there was such a conjunction in 7 BC and that this is said to have to do with Jesus by some. I compared the data with the angles by hand and it matched by +/- 1 degree. I think we cannot expect that all dots are positioned accurately. Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions occur every about 20 years, but this one was a triple conjunction and that occurs only about every 854 years if it should be in the same zodiac sign. See http://www.torakosmos.de/jsc.php for the data and more info.

Further explanation would be helpful. At first glance, it looks like it would be impossible to come to such a conclusion from the spatter of a few dots. There are too many possibilities to compare. And how do you discern between chance and design?

Hmm, I yet wont write just everything here what is in my book. I do think that people won't buy it when I spoiler all. What experiences did you make with yours in this case? Mine does only have 72 pages and if I tell too much there won't remain a rest? I lack of experience with this though.

It is design because it fits many criteria. For example there is another similar method that I discovered and that I called the "Hitomi-Timeline". That method does not make dots but derives a year date from a verse number. And guess what, the year for the verse in which the Sun-dot sits, is 7 BC. Hint: the formula is on my site in the Resources section.

I hope I have helped.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

The Sun-point was the angular point of the compass. The rest was intuition. Is this enough?

I understand how that gave you your initial motivation, but I haven't seen anything that justifies the conclusion.

I simply knew that there was such a conjunction in 7 BC and that this is said to have to do with Jesus by some. I compared the data with the angles by hand and it matched by +/- 1 degree. I think we cannot expect that all dots are positioned accurately. Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions occur every about 20 years, but this one was a triple conjunction and that occurs only about every 854 years if it should be in the same zodiac sign. See http://www.torakosmos.de/jsc.php for the data and more info.

OK - this makes the result rather suspect because it is based on fitting a pattern to your prior knowledge. If you had some other pattern in your head perhaps you would have found that in one of your charts. This is the primary challenge you will face. To an outsider, it looks like you are just "connecting the dots" in any arbitrary way you like. Your comparison of those dots with astronomical data only exacerbates the sense of arbitrariness. I know you don't want to post the "spoiler" and that is probably wise. But I doubt many folks would bother to read your book at all if you can't give them some sort of reason to think there is more than mere dot-connecting going on. I think you need a good example that would overcome this objection.

Hmm, I yet wont write just everything here what is in my book. I do think that people won't buy it when I spoiler all. What experiences did you make with yours in this case? Mine does only have 72 pages and if I tell too much there won't remain a rest? I lack of experience with this though.

It's good to have enough to capture the interest, but not too much to be a spoiler. I haven't seen enough yet to make me think it might be legitimate. Your conclusion that the patters were consciously designed by people with knowledge of heliocentricity is pretty far out there. What was the point of it all? What does it tell us?

It is design because it fits many criteria. For example there is another similar method that I discovered and that I called the "Hitomi-Timeline". That method does not make dots but derives a year date from a verse number. And guess what, the year for the verse in which the Sun-dot sits, is 7 BC. Hint: the formula is on my site in the Resources section.

Anything can be made to "fit many criteria" if the criteria are given after the fact. It's pretty difficult to discern between chance and design in a bunch of dots on circular grids, don't you think? Do you have an objective standard that would convince a rational skeptic?

I tried to find that kind of evidence for the Bible Wheel but it wasn't easy or obvious. Most "pattern recognition" operates on an intuitive level. It can be very hard to quantize. It was pretty easy for the Canon Wheel because I could use simple combinatorics. You can see my calculations here:

Statistical Probability of the Canon Wheel

I hope I have helped.

Yes it did. Thanks.

[AGS]

Stats are good if one is able to understand them. Personally I am not into stats and I think they can be manipulated to fit the needs, at least when we examine such as horoscopes or other social phenomena.

For me simply the design of the canonwheel with its canon divisions, where outer and the middle ring match together, is enough so that I belive you. I have this feeling that you are correct. Thats all. However I have problems to follow you when it comes to matching text content on the spokes (while I think that idea is good).

Do you actually believe the Biblewheel is of divine origin or rather manmade?