Hell is for Children. A Christian Parable
I think I'm understanding your reply to me apart from my questions.
The following is from post #38, to Richard.
Okay. Maybe this also fits in with 1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
As far as is currently understood here, the kingdom of heaven/G_d comes here on earth, and the Bible makes no mention of it's locale forever elsewhere.
How about this?
Torah reveals G_d is a consuming fire...and it's believed everyone is going to get the chance to be with G_d (and in the presence of His holy angels, too), but some just will not make it through...from these things and more, Isaiah 33.13-17 makes much more sense...and II Peter 3 fits in nicely somewhere around here as well.
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.
With regard to the Lord's words (above) there does seem to be a 'place' implied by 'go', which is not 'here' (earth), so the question of 'where' He was going, and 'where' we will be (apart from 'receive'd by Him to Himself) ties in with my not being clear what you meant by this:
First you seem to be saying heaven is coming here - oops! I mean the kingdom of heaven (They may not be the same thing.) and then you say that 'if' we we're in heaven because we're in Christ, therefore don't need to go 'there'; in which case, is your point that clearly we are not in heaven or Christ would not need to come back?
Ephesians says we are now seated in the heavenlies, yet this is in reference to being in Christ isn't it? ...and please explain if something is being missed about what that does actually mean? (If it is not a statement of being in the faith(fulness) of Yeshua, and instead, we are indeed, spirit and soul and bodily already in heaven, why do we need to go there?)
This leads on to your saying that the 1 Corinthians 15 verse, about being 'asleep in Christ' is 'out of context'. What is the difference between being alive in Christ and asleep in Christ, if we are all the time in Christ, seated with Him in heavenly places while we are clothed in mortal flesh? And, why will there be saints with Him as He returns, if they were not with Him 'before' then? How are you separating the living from the dead (as it were), when even the dead are alive in Christ through the faith they exercised before they were asleep in Him? I'm sure you have an explanation. (I'm all ears. )
I look forward to it, and will save my other questions until you've had time to reply.
16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; 17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; 19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.