Attempt to decode the old testament

[Richard Amiel McGough]

As Jesus is the key to the old testament I thought I'd put a link to a youtube video(30 minutes) so you can hear the gospel of Thomas(Anyone following this thread) - I'm not sure what to make of it but it is spiritual in nature and I think I understand many of the sayings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exIiP...watch_response

Well, those are pretty mystical/gnostic sayings, so it's pretty easy to make them mean whatever you want.

What do you make of this saying:

Gospel of Thomas 114: Simon Peter says to them: "Let Mary go out from our midst, for women are not worthy of life!" Jesus says: "See, I will draw her so as to make her male so that she also may become a living spirit like you males. For every woman who has become male will enter the Kingdom of heaven."

[jwfarq]

Where did you get that number? Is there any reason we should think it is accurate?

Such a precise number doesn't seem possible because the humidity will always be different from place to place so you would always get different percentages.

The number 77.7% of nitrogen in the atmosphere comes from the Bible's Creation on the 7th day when evening, morning, and day are counted 777.
The atomic image of nitrogen is 7 electrons, 7 neutrons, and 7 protons or just 777.

Therefore the creations count = 777 when God rested in atmospheric heaven,
the atomic image of Nitrogen = 777,
the volume of atmospheric heaven = 77.7% or by divine equivocation just 777. This is as it should be - Bible supports science just as science supports the Bible.

Of course on the 6th day carbon based humans were counted 666 from evening, morning, and day and created as RC666 Reason Creatures (the beast), where the atomic image of carbon is 6 electrons, 6 neutrons, and 6 protons. Numbers don’t lie because they can’t.

Therefore the numbers of creation for life on earth and heaven are 666 and 777.
If one does not know this, the Bible will never make sense, because ALL scripture is structured from the foundational Creation. A human beast must transform from 666 to 777.

It is true that there is variation of moisture in the atmosphere, and that is why the natural volume of nitrogen corrects from dry air measurement of 78.08 to about 77.7%. At the equator there is generally more moisture. Anyway 77.7% is good enough for biblical/science synchronization, unless someone can prove differently.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

The number 77.7% of nitrogen in the atmosphere comes from the Bible's Creation on the 7th day when evening, morning, and day are counted 777.
The atomic image of nitrogen is 7 electrons, 7 neutrons, and 7 protons or just 777.

Therefore the creations count = 777 when God rested in atmospheric heaven,
the atomic image of Nitrogen = 777,
the volume of atmospheric heaven = 77.7% or by divine equivocation just 777. This is as it should be - Bible supports science just as science supports the Bible.

Of course on the 6th day carbon based humans were counted 666 from evening, morning, and day and created as RC666 Reason Creatures (the beast), where the atomic image of carbon is 6 electrons, 6 neutrons, and 6 protons. Numbers don’t lie because they can’t.

Therefore the numbers of creation for life on earth and heaven are 666 and 777.
If one does not know this, the Bible will never make sense, because ALL scripture is structured from the foundational Creation. A human beast must transform from 666 to 777.

It is true that there is variation of moisture in the atmosphere, and that is why the natural volume of nitrogen corrects from dry air measurement of 78.08 to about 77.7%. At the equator there is generally more moisture. Anyway 77.7% is good enough for biblical/science synchronization, unless someone can prove differently.

You still have not given any evidence that "the natural volume of nitrogen corrects from dry air measurement of 78.08 to about 77.7%" Could you please cite at least one scientific source that says the concentration of nitrogen is 77.7%? Just one?

Are you friends with Luke1978? He is making very similar assertions about transforming from 666 to 777.

Your assertion that "Numbers don’t lie because they can’t" is true. But that's because numbers can't make any statements at all, true or false. It is we humans who use numbers to "tell the truth" or to "lie." This knowledge is so common it is encapsulated in two famous statements:

1) Figures don't lie, but liars figure.

2) There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics.

The problem with all your number crunching is that you are merely choosing and picking numbers you like to tell the story that you invented. The numbers themselves do not tell the story. Case in point: The fact that carbon is the sixth element has absolutely nothing to do with the mark of the beast. Your story has nothing to do with the things said about the mark of the beast in Revelation. It speaks of people who are given the mark on their hand or forehead, so the mark is not "carbon" which is just an element in the periodic table.

You assertion that "Bible supports science just as science supports the Bible" makes no sense to me at all. The Bible was written by pre-scientific people and what little it says about scientific things is usually wrong.

[luke1978]

Hi Richard,

jwfarq is the author of the book "Daniels Secret" and I emailed him and told him to join in on this forum if he likes. I never met him but his book has helped me tremendously. I have emailed you about your book but no reply so far.

regards

Luke1978

PS: I highly recommend the book and there is a link in this thread for it. Actually Richard I think you of all people would be very enlightened by it. Maybe you can buy each others book! - Do a swap...

I hope jwfarq keeps posting as I have only been studying for 6 months and to be honest Richard I cannot beat you in a debate. Yet

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Hi Richard,

jwfarq is the author of the book "Daniels Secret" and I emailed him and told him to join in on this forum if he likes. I never met him but his book has helped me tremendously. I have emailed you about your book but no reply so far.

regards

Luke1978

PS: I highly recommend the book and there is a link in this thread for it. Actually Richard I think you of all people would be very enlightened by it. Maybe you can buy each others book! - Do a swap...

I hope jwfarq keeps posting as I have only been studying for 6 months and to be honest Richard I cannot beat you in a debate. Yet

Hey there Luke,

Thanks for the info.

I hope you keep trying to "beat me" in debate. We'll both sharpen our swords, eh?

As fro jwfarq's arguments - I have a really hard time following his logic when he says that carbon is the mark of the beast because it has 6 protons, 6 neutrons, and 6 electrons. That simply makes no sense to me at all. If you would like to try to explain it to me, I'm game.

Great chatting!

Richard

[luke1978]

Hey there Luke,

Thanks for the info.

I hope you keep trying to "beat me" in debate. We'll both sharpen our swords, eh?

As fro jwfarq's arguments - I have a really hard time following his logic when he says that carbon is the mark of the beast because it has 6 protons, 6 neutrons, and 6 electrons. That simply makes no sense to me at all. If you would like to try to explain it to me, I'm game.

Great chatting!

Richard

Hi Richard,

Yes I will keep trying to sharpen my sword(Which is knowledge of the word). I like debating with you as I have the same problems with the wording of the bible. I have felt like walking away from it but I can't because it has already proven so much to me(Symmetry, Mathematics, Prophecy). I just need to be able to defend the wording and find out what it is really saying. There are even a few things in the new testament that cause me some concern. I'm not going to give up. With the "Higgs Boson" they were saying they will either find it in 2012 or disprove it. I'm taking the same angle with the bible. People have written so much to prove the validity of the bible and that it is influenced by external forces outside time. Rather then I follow in those foot steps which in my eyes are proven I need to be at peace with the writing.

Carbon is 6 and Nitrogen is 7:

http://www.astro.virginia.edu/class/...odic_table.gif

I'm still waiting on my spiritual warfare book which will help me with the book of Joshua. I see the 666/777 pattern in that book.

[Richard Amiel McGough]

Hi Richard,

Yes I will keep trying to sharpen my sword(Which is knowledge of the word). I like debating with you as I have the same problems with the wording of the bible. I have felt like walking away from it but I can't because it has already proven so much to me(Symmetry, Mathematics, Prophecy). I just need to be able to defend the wording and find out what it is really saying. There are even a few things in the new testament that cause me some concern. I'm not going to give up. With the "Higgs Boson" they were saying they will either find it in 2012 or disprove it. I'm taking the same angle with the bible. People have written so much to prove the validity of the bible and that it is influenced by external forces outside time. Rather then I follow in those foot steps which in my eyes are proven I need to be at peace with the writing.

I agree that there is plenty of very solid evidence along the lines of symmetry (Bible Wheel) and mathematics (Holographs) but not much in the way of prophecy. The only prophecy that has any hope of being established upon the solid rock of verifiable evidence is the fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy about the killing of Messiah before the destruction of the Temple, but the irony is that almost all Christians reject that fulfillment because they have been taught Futurist eschatology! I've never seen any other prophecy that would convince a rational skeptic.

Carbon is 6 and Nitrogen is 7:

http://www.astro.virginia.edu/class/...odic_table.gif

I'm still waiting on my spiritual warfare book which will help me with the book of Joshua. I see the 666/777 pattern in that book.

Yes, know the periodic table. But that doesn't help make sense out of the idea that carbon is the mark of the beast.

[luke1978]

I agree that there is plenty of very solid evidence along the lines of symmetry (Bible Wheel) and mathematics (Holographs) but not much in the way of prophecy. The only prophecy that has any hope of being established upon the solid rock of verifiable evidence is the fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy about the killing of Messiah before the destruction of the Temple, but the irony is that almost all Christians reject that fulfillment because they have been taught Futurist eschatology! I've never seen any other prophecy that would convince a rational skeptic.


Yes, know the periodic table. But that doesn't help make sense out of the idea that carbon is the mark of the beast.

Well man is made of Carbon and Heaven(atmosphere) is made of nitrogen. I'm not saying it proves anything conclusively but it is interesting.

Put N66.6 E66.6(Type in selakhard) into Google Earth(Yes it is one of 4 places that is 66.6 in the world)

Also the co-ordinates of the long and latitude added together that run through the temple mount is 66.60(Yes there are 4 lines like this in the world but each is only 1km or so wide)

I'm not saying it proves anything. Just interesting.

[luke1978]

Well man is made of Carbon and Heaven(atmosphere) is made of nitrogen. I'm not saying it proves anything conclusively but it is interesting.

Put N66.6 E66.6(Type in selakhard) into Google Earth(Yes it is one of 4 places that is 66.6 in the world)

Also the co-ordinates of the long and latitude added together that run through the temple mount is 66.60(Yes there are 4 lines like this in the world but each is only 1km or so wide)

I'm not saying it proves anything. Just interesting.

Just in regards to my last post I was having a bit of fun. The truth is I don't care to think about the end of the world which I was sort of implying by pointing out lat 66.6 and longitude 66.6 and the fact the lat and long of Jerusalem adds up to 66.60.

I will try and get this thread back on topic and that is more to do with the 666 to 777 conversion and the fact that I think the bible has to be interpreted spiritually. I realise now I am very at odds with Christian fundamentalists.

Yes God has to be just but if I were to be honest a literal reading of the old testament is horrifying. I will pray that the "real" God whatever he,she,it is will guide me to the truth. I am only so far a Christian as I believe in Jesus and that he is the way, truth and the life. I will admit until further notice the bible makes no sense to me. Much of what Jesus said does make sense but there are a few sayings I'm not sure about. I have seen enough evidence that he did fulfill prophecy which is why I cannot reject him. I guess I can always just love the "real" God with all my heart and soul and treat people the way I want to be treated.

I trust there is some sort of force that has me here for a reason and the 666 to 777 conversion seems like it may be a key to unveiling the true nature of God amongst writings of Bronze age people!

[luke1978]

Has anyone ever thought about this part of the genealogy in Genesis:

Extract:

Genesis 5
New International Version (NIV)

From Adam to Noah
5 This is the written account of Adam’s family line.
When God created mankind, he made them in the likeness of God. 2 He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind” when they were created.

3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 5 Altogether, Adam lived a total of 930 years, and then he died.

End Extract:

Now Jesus was born from a virgin 77 generations from God(God = 1, In between = 75, Jesus(God in flesh) =1)

Adam I believe means "man"

So our creator is Adam which is why we are called "son of man" possibly in my opinion. Maybe the sin of Adam is more then just eating from the tree of knowledge. Maybe he used that knowledge to genetically engineer flesh and blood?

This has implications:

Extract:

John 8:44
New International Version (NIV)

44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

End Extract:

Can ayone shed any light on this question I have? - I'm not stating it as a fact but I'm just interested in the difference between being created in the likeness of Adam vs God?

This may add credibility to the 666(Adam) to 777(God image) transformation?

Also:

Extract:

The Parable of the Weeds

24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”

End Extract:

Did Adam plant the weeds?