Attempt to decode the old testament

[luke1978]

I thought I'd start a thread as I am struggling with all the violence in the old testament. I've decided not to let it be a stumbling block and start learning it.

I have a strong foundation in the mathematics, symmetry and prophetic codes in the bible. I can trust the bible but I need to be able to defend the wording of the old testament. Even in some posts on this site today I sold out on the old testament.

OK the challenge to myself is to understand the meaning of the words and numbers in the old testament using Christ.

This post may even just be a diary of my daily findings.

Tonight(Australian Time) I found this:

http://www.adelaidenewchurch.org.au/...hua/jos6a.html

You really have to listen to the audio part as the text is very brief. I no longer see the destruction of Jericho as a violent event but a spiritual one in the mind. Praise God I will sleep better tonight!

I have faith the old testament can make sense but I need to prove it to myself. Follow my journey if you like and especially if you are having issues as well. I want to remove any stumbling blocks between my mind and the word and numbers of God.

[luke1978]

I started this thread as an investigation to see if the God of the old testament who is never changing is good. So I'm putting down facts I find as I go.

OK in Joshua Chapter 3 vs 9-11

Extract:

Joshua said to the Israelites, “Come here and listen to the words of the Lord your God. 10 This is how you will know that the living God is among you and that he will certainly drive out before you the Canaanites, Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, Girgashites, Amorites and Jebusites

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Now please observe that there are 7 enemies(Canaanites, Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, Girgashites, Amorites and Jebusites)

At this stage of the investigation I propose they are spiritual demons that we all have and have to overcome. This may explain what jesus said in Matthew Chapter 12 vs 43-45:

Extract:

43 “When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44 Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. 45 Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation.”

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So I am starting my case by saying the Canaanites, Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, Girgashites, Amorites and Jebusites represent 7 sinful natures of man. So in the rest of the biblical books they will be non-changing as spiritual obstacles.

Now looking at Joshua 6:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...+6&version=NIV

So Joshua Chapter 6 vs 12-20 no longer sounds violent or cruel:

Extract:

12 Joshua got up early the next morning and the priests took up the ark of the Lord. 13 The seven priests carrying the seven trumpets went forward, marching before the ark of the Lord and blowing the trumpets. The armed men went ahead of them and the rear guard followed the ark of the Lord, while the trumpets kept sounding. 14 So on the second day they marched around the city once and returned to the camp. They did this for six days.

15 On the seventh day, they got up at daybreak and marched around the city seven times in the same manner, except that on that day they circled the city seven times. 16 The seventh time around, when the priests sounded the trumpet blast, Joshua commanded the army, “Shout! For the Lord has given you the city! 17 The city and all that is in it are to be devoted[a] to the Lord. Only Rahab the prostitute and all who are with her in her house shall be spared, because she hid the spies we sent. 18 But keep away from the devoted things, so that you will not bring about your own destruction by taking any of them. Otherwise you will make the camp of Israel liable to destruction and bring trouble on it. 19 All the silver and gold and the articles of bronze and iron are sacred to the Lord and must go into his treasury.”

20 When the trumpets sounded, the army shouted, and at the sound of the trumpet, when the men gave a loud shout, the wall collapsed; so everyone charged straight in, and they took the city. 21 They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.

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I will continue to show in this thread that man needs to make a 666 to 777 conversion. We were created on day 6(Evening, Morning and Day count = 666)

The bible hints all the way through about the number 7, 77 and 777. Of course nobody believes Lamech lived to be 777 or it's a coincidence there were 77 Generations between Adam and Jesus in one of the geneologies and 42 on the patriarch line(14+14+14) = 77 77 77

[luke1978]

Now I will reveal where I heard about this 777 stuff:

http://www.mark7publishing.com/daniels-secret.htm

I have also read:

http://www.biblemaths.com/ (373 a proof set in stone)

and have just ordered:

http://www.amazon.com/Joshuas-Spirit.../dp/0981621309

OK the reason I'm doing this is I had a health scare 6 months ago. I am healthy and I'm not going to die but I had a suspected melanoma which turned out to be a Basil Cell Carcinoma. I had another one 3 months ago so I may just be paying for a life in the sun

But waiting for the results put the fear of death in me. So now I see every day as a day given to me by God to learn his word through the bible. maybe there are other paths to God but this is the one I am currently exploring as I have always been a christian but have not searched at this level before. If I can believe the whole bible is consistent and loving it will be a stumbling block removed.

[luke1978]

I'm still waiting for my book on Joshua so I thought I might start explaining more of this 666 to 777 pathway.

OK we know the sun was made on the fourth day in Genesis 1 so the Evening, Morning and 1st Day sequence on day 1 has to be spiritual as you cannot have a day without a sun.

Man was made on Day 6. (Evening, Morning and Day 6) = 6 Evening's, 6 Morning's and 6 days all spiritual as we know that because it was spiritual before the sun was made on day 4 so we must keep the consistency.

OK day 7 mention's 7 a total of 3 times:

Extract:

Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work.

3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

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So next time a scientist tell's you the biblical creation is a fairytale you can tell them it is a spiritual creation which can end the evolution vs creationism debate that Genesis 1 has been in the middle of. And we can stop calling Genesis a fairytale if we interpret it spiritually.

We can also end the flood debate. Did it literally happen? - If we interpret it spiritually we don't need to concern ourselves with that answer:


Genesis 7

New International Version (NIV)


7 The Lord then said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made. ”

So again we see the 777 pattern. What does it mean?

1.The 7 day wait for the flood represent the flesh of Noah's family.
2.The 7 pairs of clean animal represent springs of living water(Baptism)
3.The 7 pairs of birds(clean) represent the cleansed spirit.

There are more 7's in this story of the flood. It should be called the flood of 7's. So symbolically when Jesus calls you(766) and you are baptised(776) the holy spirit leads you to God(777) as a cleansed spirit.

Obviously Noah was not a 666 or God would not have called him so that is why I use 766.

A couple of facts:

It is a fact the primary element in the chemistry of life on earth is carbon, and it's most common occurrence has the atomic image of(-6, 6, +6) or 666.

It is a fact the element nitrogen comprises 77.7 percent of the earth's atmosphere and has the atomic image of (-7, 7, +7) or 777.

Check this out:

http://www.666markbeast.com/

I'm not trying to say anybody is a literal number I'm just trying to prove the bible is not violent and maybe the spiritual meaning has been missed. If you get the spiritual meaning contradictions will be less of a concern especially when you learn the mathematically structure like the bible wheel etc or Pi in Gen1:1 and the "e constant" in John 1:1

God is outside time! - Amen

[Richard Amiel McGough]

It is a fact the element nitrogen comprises 77.7 percent of the earth's atmosphere and has the atomic image of (-7, 7, +7) or 777.

Where did you get that number? The wiki says nitrogen comprises 78.09% of the earth's atmosphere. And this page gives the same answer:

http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7a.html

[Richard Amiel McGough]

I thought I'd start a thread as I am struggling with all the violence in the old testament. I've decided not to let it be a stumbling block and start learning it.

I have a strong foundation in the mathematics, symmetry and prophetic codes in the bible. I can trust the bible but I need to be able to defend the wording of the old testament. Even in some posts on this site today I sold out on the old testament.

OK the challenge to myself is to understand the meaning of the words and numbers in the old testament using Christ.

This post may even just be a diary of my daily findings.

Tonight(Australian Time) I found this:

http://www.adelaidenewchurch.org.au/...hua/jos6a.html

You really have to listen to the audio part as the text is very brief. I no longer see the destruction of Jericho as a violent event but a spiritual one in the mind. Praise God I will sleep better tonight!

I have faith the old testament can make sense but I need to prove it to myself. Follow my journey if you like and especially if you are having issues as well. I want to remove any stumbling blocks between my mind and the word and numbers of God.

Hey there Luke,

I think you have chosen a very good project.

I too "have a strong foundation in the mathematics and symmetry" but I've never seen any believable "prophetic codes in the Bible." Two out of three is not bad. We have some things in common.

Your desire to "understand the meaning of the words and numbers in the old testament using Christ" is an approach with a long history. Martin Luther famously said "the whole Scripture is about Christ alone everywhere." So on the one hand, you are following in a very traditional Christian path. But on the other hand, you are going far outside the bounds of traditional Christianity. Case in point: the website you linked is a Swedenborgian church. His interpretations were entirely novel relative to the entire history of Christianity. Here's what they say on their home page:

Welcome to The New Christian Church in Adelaide Online! We are a spiritually focussed community seeking to learn how to be more loving and understanding in our interactions with others. We believe that the Lord God is Jesus Christ who makes Himself known to us through His Word, found in the Bible and understood in the light of the spiritual teachings given through His servant Emanuel Swedenborg. We believe that the Lord is present with us in His Word and that through living from the principles found there we create the opportunity for the Lord to transform our lives into a living expression of His love. The goal of a truly spiritual life is to be led out of the hellish states of life created through our self centeredness into a heavenly life characterised by a joy for living, springing from a genuine concern for the spiritual well being of all people.

I tried reading a bit of Swedenborg's stuff but it never meant anything to me. It's so strange to read his bold proclamations about where the angels took him and what he saw and heard in heaven. I just couldn't believe any of it was real. Do you have an opinion about his writings?

Anyway, I think your project is great, even though I think the "spiritual" interpretation is probably meaningless because it's so private and idiosyncratic. There's no way to know if it is true. And even if it is, it is so different than the "plain meaning" of the text I think I would prefer just to make up my own religion out of whole cloth. But hey ... to each his own! I look forward to hearing of your discoveries as you journey.

All the best,

Richard

[luke1978]

Hey there Luke,

I think you have chosen a very good project.

I too "have a strong foundation in the mathematics and symmetry" but I've never seen any believable "prophetic codes in the Bible." Two out of three is not bad. We have some things in common.

Your desire to "understand the meaning of the words and numbers in the old testament using Christ" is an approach with a long history. Martin Luther famously said "the whole Scripture is about Christ alone everywhere." So on the one hand, you are following in a very traditional Christian path. But on the other hand, you are going far outside the bounds of traditional Christianity. Case in point: the website you linked is a Swedenborgian church. His interpretations were entirely novel relative to the entire history of Christianity. Here's what they say on their home page:


I tried reading a bit of Swedenborg's stuff but it never meant anything to me. It's so strange to read his bold proclamations about where the angels took him and what he saw and heard in heaven. I just couldn't believe any of it was real. Do you have an opinion about his writings?

Anyway, I think your project is great, even though I think the "spiritual" interpretation is probably meaningless because it's so private and idiosyncratic. There's no way to know if it is true. And even if it is, it is so different than the "plain meaning" of the text I think I would prefer just to make up my own religion out of whole cloth. But hey ... to each his own! I look forward to hearing of your discoveries as you journey.

All the best,

Richard

Hi Richard,

The answer about the 77.7 percent nitrogen in the atmosphere on the author's website(Daniel's Secret - Which led me on this 777 path) is: http://mark7publishing.com/genesis1windowblog/

Extract:

Your figure of 78.08% volume of nitrogen in the atmosphere is for standard temperature and pressure, but does not include the small amount of moisture that brings the number to 77.7%.

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I will email the author and see if he has a scientific link or something so I can verify it a bit better for you and myself. I don't know much about Swedenborg except I figured if he could find a spiritual meaning I could too. I have only listened to the one sermon. To be honest I want to work it out one book at a time for myself. I know Swedenborg has made some bold proclamation's but I just try and discern what I can take seriously and what I will just disregard. I may link to a variety of sites but it may be just to point out that page and I by no means endorse any site that I link to in it's entirety or agree with all their views.

There is a way to know if the spiritual interpretation is true. Would 7 priests blowing trumpets to bring down the walls of Jericho seem more spiritual then real? - All these 7's must mean something or they wouldn't be there. I am quite satisfied the old testament is spiritual as well as prophetic. I will try and derive a straight forward meaning that is consistent throughout the book. I might have 7777 posts by the time I am finished!

[jwfarq]

Where did you get that number? The wiki says nitrogen comprises 78.09% of the earth's atmosphere. And this page gives the same answer:

http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7a.html

The Wiki states that Nitrogen is 78.08% of DRY air that does not include the normal presence of moisture. Moisture varies slightly in the atmosphere, enough to bring the % volume of nitrogen down to about 77.7%

[Richard Amiel McGough]

The Wiki states that Nitrogen is 78.08% of DRY air that does not include the normal presence of moisture. Moisture varies slightly in the atmosphere, enough to bring the % volume of nitrogen down to about 77.7%

Where did you get that number? Is there any reason we should think it is accurate?

Such a precise number doesn't seem possible because the humidity will always be different from place to place so you would always get different percentages.

[luke1978]

As Jesus is the key to the old testament I thought I'd put a link to a youtube video(30 minutes) so you can hear the gospel of Thomas(Anyone following this thread) - I'm not sure what to make of it but it is spiritual in nature and I think I understand many of the sayings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exIiP...watch_response